Sorry but this is funny as hell to me.
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Well it stopped being funny as hell after the ninth post that's for sure.
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To think would involve you having a brain and clearly you don't. I dont even know who the fuck you are to email you or message you.... not a fucking clue!
I'm sure you don't see the humour in my signature and probably think its a real country......its not dumbass!
agree with the "get over youself." sentiment. show me a documented case of someone getting aids from giving or receiving a bbbj. when that happens then your statement might hold more merrit.
the way they explain that if you did get aids from a bbbj you could get from kissing as well.
you never gonna kiss anyone again either?
So that means that dressing up in an Elmo costume and counting out loud while giving a guy in a Grover suit a handjob spreads AIDS?
No?
Well, why do they charge extra for it then?
Why would you quote me when I was one who said bbbjs aren't related to AIDs? My point was that the bbbj-ers tend to do exactly what is seen here: insult, bully, threaten, make misleading claims, otherwise try to browbeat those who don't agree, indicate that sps who don't provide it won't get any business, etc etc.
My point was that everyone should stop trying to defend their decisions, or get others to change theirs. As long as your decision is an informed one, go with ahead on it.
I do hope you read the posts thoroughly before deciding to make ill-informed comments. Receiving a bbbj = low to negligible risk. Giving a bbbj = higher risk (meaning the sps you see (& who have seen many before you) are more likely to risk getting an std than you are) Presumably the extra charge covers that risk.
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If you really think that SPs are making a conscious decision to take an extra risk of getting an STD in return for a couple of bucks..
I think that those who charge more just do it 'because they can' or because the guys are willing to pay more.
Here's a question that you can ask a bunch of SPs if you want to better understand why your comment made no sense.
Suppose there was a guy who everyone knew had HIV. How many SPs would still be willing to give him FS with a 'thin' condom because he preferred the sensation, in return for a small extra fee (or a big extra fee).
I don't think that many non-drug-addicts would be willing to purposefully and consciously risk their health for a few extra bucks.
I think that the difference between those who do or don't offer BBBJ has to do with their perception of the risks involved, not in their willingness to assume a risk that they perceive to be there for a few extra bucks.
Again, it isn't a perception, it is an actual risk for a variety of stds.
(We are still clear that I said nothing about HIV/AIDs, and that most everyone else dropped that from this discussion, right?)
If you misunderstand that, re-read the bbbj sticky in the health section, put yourself in the position of the sp not the receiver (you) and figure out if it would still be something that you would do. Keeping in mind that although you might only see one sp a month, she sees 4-5 clients a day. Imagine how many bbbjs, knowing that there is a real risk (maybe not high, but certainly not zero) you would do per day knowing that. And then ask yourself, how can you reduce the risk? How about charge extra, then the number of bjs stays the same, but now only 2 a day will be bbbjs, due to cost.
There are a significant number of sps who used to give bbbjs, but no longer do. There are few if any sps who used to give cbjs but now give bbbjs, inspite of pressure, threats, and deliberately misleading information.
There are a variety of sps who charge extra for bbbjs, if you really think it is simply because they can get more, then why don't they just do the bbbjs instead of messing around with 2 prices?
That is what doesn't make sense.
(We are still clear that I said nothing about HIV/AIDs, and that most everyone else dropped that from this discussion, right?)
If you misunderstand that, re-read the bbbj sticky in the health section, put yourself in the position of the sp not the receiver (you) and figure out if it would still be something that you would do. Keeping in mind that although you might only see one sp a month, she sees 4-5 clients a day. Imagine how many bbbjs, knowing that there is a real risk (maybe not high, but certainly not zero) you would do per day knowing that. And then ask yourself, how can you reduce the risk? How about charge extra, then the number of bjs stays the same, but now only 2 a day will be bbbjs, due to cost.
There are a significant number of sps who used to give bbbjs, but no longer do. There are few if any sps who used to give cbjs but now give bbbjs, inspite of pressure, threats, and deliberately misleading information.
There are a variety of sps who charge extra for bbbjs, if you really think it is simply because they can get more, then why don't they just do the bbbjs instead of messing around with 2 prices?
That is what doesn't make sense.
You see, I've actually never seen that happen. Ever. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just personally have not ever witnessed it go down that way. But the other way around? Many, many times, to varying degrees or insults and self righteous, self serving finger pointing and name calling.
Either way, it is NOT acceptable.
The regular (non sp) girl's idea of us, what we do and who we are.. That girl doesn't give a shit if one of us provides BBBJ's and the other CBJ's, there's no distinction; WE ARE ALL DIRTY DISEASED AND WE ARE TO BE (RIGHTFULLY) JUDGED AND LOATHED.
Are they right? Do you agree with that? Do you accept this and feel good about it? I don't.
Do you ever wonder where such strong hateful feelings and opinions come from? Do you try to imagine what will need to happen, if it ever happens, for those hateful feelings, opinions, words and thoughts to be replaced by tolerance, openness, maybe acceptance?
Isn't that enough to deal with, a tall enough order to hope for it to come from the outside, when it's not even possible to expect respect from our own peers, but instead give and receive these kinds of comments? What in the world does it even accomplish? It's foolish to expect to change others mind, worry about yourself, your choice and just leave others to make up their own mind. Think whatever you want, but for gods sake, if what you think is anything like Dasha's comments, you have every right to, but to post these kinds of underhanded, hateful comments with the all-knowing, self righteous attitude, that, IMO, is un-welcomed, unacceptable, inappropriate and totally counter-productive.
We are all adults, making informed decision we feel comfortable with, it's not our place to tell someone else that ours is the right way, and not only is theirs wrong, in addition we decide that we're justified in making all kinds of really harsh comments. WHY do you care? Why do you feel in any way entitled? If you can not show respect to your peers, about a small difference, how the hell do you think you can get those who are not anything like you, to respect you.
I find it APPALLING and DEPLORABLE that some of you can be so openly, loudly vocal without any attempt to hide your spitefulness, and see nothing wrong with that.
I am fucking sick of it. Intolerance is fucking ignorance. Please spare me this bs, it does not serve anyone, it doesn't reflect favorably on ANYONE. It is a waste, and you are all smarter than that. Wake up.
I completely agree, and the exact reason I reacted to the original post. It was unnecessary.
Why do people care so much what others are doing?
We all know the risks (well, aside from Dasha
), but have you ever thought that if sp's who provide BBBJ found that they (once or repeatedly) tested positive for these... don't you think they'd re-examine and re-evaluate their decisions? And , one would think, change it?But in the end, live and let live. Mind your own business and leave others alone.
I could name more than you think, but I won't because it wouldn't be a nice thing to do. I personally know of more than I can count on the fingers of one hand.
Why do the airlines charge a different price for a flexible plane ticket than for a less flexible one (often double) ? Why not just charge the higher price and have all flexible plane tickets? Why not just charge less and have all inflexible tickets?
It's simple micro-economics and the answer is "To maximize their income"
Do they fully understand the micro-economics? Maybe a few do, most probably don't but they've been taught by word of mouth that they can make mroe money that way or they have observed that they do. Either way, they do it because they've realized that it maximizes their income.
Ms.Bijou, this is what I was speaking about re: insults, bullying etc. Not the first time, and not the only one. Every time there is a review, there are several irrelevant comments about not going to see the sp when she does cbjs only. I don't see a bunch of irrelevant similar comments in reviews from cbjers when the sp does bbbjs.
My point got off track because someone wanted to imply that there is no risk. My whole point was that knowing the risks and deciding to go for it anyway is making an informed decision and is a personal choice. No one should get to insult people who make different choices, but nor should they get to say that there is no risk at all to justify them.
Saying, yes I know there are some risks of stds (Not AIDS) but I'm willing to do it, no problem. Or bringing up irrelevant examples and wandering off topic (which is bjs only lol)
Knowing the risks and feeling pressured to do it anyway due to these threats (an sp can view these posts about someone not going to see them because they don't do bbbjs as a threat) is not good either.
Like I said, these posts show up only in reviews where the cbj is given, and never in the reviews where the bbbj is given.
honey, if you are giving hand jobs and blow jobs, YOU are a prostitute...
how strange you separate yourself... did you think you were above the term without full service?
wouldn't change a thing in the eyes of the law. hand job....FS doesn't matter
' Intolerance is fucking ignorance. '
However a well timed and well delivered off color joke that is bigoted/ racist / sexist / or making fun of sexual orientation never fails to make me laugh.
And pretty much everybody else.
Everyone loves stereotypes, its only publicly that many act as if ithey are offended.
This thread is a hoot.
However a well timed and well delivered off color joke that is bigoted/ racist / sexist / or making fun of sexual orientation never fails to make me laugh.
And pretty much everybody else.
Everyone loves stereotypes, its only publicly that many act as if ithey are offended.
This thread is a hoot.
Just To Balance Things Out A Little
Believing that diifferent strokes are for different folks, I always keep that thought to myself when I read reviews, sometimes lamenting what a loss it is that someone receiving such glowing praises is now off limit to me.
Perhaps, from now on, I -- and I invite other connoisseurs of CBJ and DFK to join me -- should just let myself be heard. Then we'll see if some of these nice ladies might change their minds and avail themselves to my more restrictive criteria. I am sure guys who enjoy sloppy seconds and risky STDs will still find enough ladies to pass them to them even then.
Why they like to DFK a mouth that 10 minutes earlier was giving another guy a BBBJ or even flooded with CIM is really beyond me. But again, different strokes...
If a lady is a known regular BBBJ-giver, I am not going to see her. And I hardly think I am alone in this.
Believing that diifferent strokes are for different folks, I always keep that thought to myself when I read reviews, sometimes lamenting what a loss it is that someone receiving such glowing praises is now off limit to me.
Perhaps, from now on, I -- and I invite other connoisseurs of CBJ and DFK to join me -- should just let myself be heard. Then we'll see if some of these nice ladies might change their minds and avail themselves to my more restrictive criteria. I am sure guys who enjoy sloppy seconds and risky STDs will still find enough ladies to pass them to them even then.
Why they like to DFK a mouth that 10 minutes earlier was giving another guy a BBBJ or even flooded with CIM is really beyond me.
But again, different strokes...Absolutely, you are not alone in this
Which is why I advertise dfk, and bbbj; so men wont be too shocked when I stick my tongue down their throat, and wrap my warm mouth around their naked cock.
I do have to add that if I routinely saw several men in a day, I am pretty sure my restrictions would change.
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I'm a photographer in the 'real world.'
When I'm looking for a model for a shoot (for anything from a clothing magazine to an ad in a magazine to my own portfolio) and they are a model I'm going to be paying (as opposed to when models pay ME for portfolio shots, portraits, etc), I specifically only consider hiring models who shoot nude.
Why? Because it tells me right away that they are comfortable with their body, and in general they tend to be funner to be around and more casual when shooting. Does it mean I am going to try and get them to pose nude during the shoot? Of course not. Is it for my own kicks, knowing that if I payed this girl a little more per hour I could shoot her nude? Nope. It's simply because time has proven that the models who are willing to do paid nude shoots are better to work with. I'm not saying that there aren't models who only do clothed shoots who aren't equally as fun - just, in terms of the odds, the man or woman okay with nude shoots is usually better to shoot with in a copious amount of ways.
Perhaps a similar standard applies in this industry?
When I'm looking for a model for a shoot (for anything from a clothing magazine to an ad in a magazine to my own portfolio) and they are a model I'm going to be paying (as opposed to when models pay ME for portfolio shots, portraits, etc), I specifically only consider hiring models who shoot nude.
Why? Because it tells me right away that they are comfortable with their body, and in general they tend to be funner to be around and more casual when shooting. Does it mean I am going to try and get them to pose nude during the shoot? Of course not. Is it for my own kicks, knowing that if I payed this girl a little more per hour I could shoot her nude? Nope. It's simply because time has proven that the models who are willing to do paid nude shoots are better to work with. I'm not saying that there aren't models who only do clothed shoots who aren't equally as fun - just, in terms of the odds, the man or woman okay with nude shoots is usually better to shoot with in a copious amount of ways.
Perhaps a similar standard applies in this industry?
I believe it is important to know the risks, especially for new girls in the business who are misled by shady bosses/friends whatever.
I've experienced first hand not being hired because I don't provide BBBJ which in itself is appalling to me!
I know the risks, the girls know the risks, so do the pooners. Although shoving the truth in a person's face usually brings nastiness. I'm sure some of us would like everything out in the open, all acronyms, slangs aside. Unfortunately, some of us like to live under a clouded veil, myself included for some areas of life, and to face the consequences when/if it comes up.
I agree the horse has been beaten to death and no matter who brings up the topic of BBBJ vs. CBJ, there will always be drama attached to it.
I think, on this board, you are few and far between. Or else, all the CBJ lovers do not voice their opinions. Everyone refers to PERB as the "GFE" board because it SEEMS those are the services most of the pooners on here are looking for. A large reason why a few girls, including myself, have hesitated on for advertising here. Why advertise a vegetarian restaurant on a meat-lovers forum? Sure there will be some that would try it out, but the majority will look elsewhere for satisfaction.
The CBJ Market Is a Viable One
Like FortunateOne said, CBJ-lovers (for lack of a better term) just don't go around hassling and haggling reviewers or SPs every time BBBJ comes up, so perhaps the voice in the market is skewed. But once in a while, we do read reviews which mention "BBBJ offered but refused". That should be quite telling.
BTW, although this too is a horse beaten to death many times over, even one of those who claimed to have originated the acronym GFE professed that GFE was never meant to be checklist-based. In other words, whether BBBJ, or for that matter, kissing, is included bears no correlation to whether it is a GFE session. Nowadays, even in a girlfriend/boyfriend situation, unless the couple is committed to being monogamous with each other, I doubt that all deeds are BB.
Of course, some will proudly claim that they are doing BB deeds with their girlfriend(s) as well as with SPs behind their girlfriends' back. Regarding these selfish SOBs who have no regard for the girlfriends' health and well-being, I pray that the girlfriends find out and do a Lorena Bobbit on them.
So, Miss Moi, now that I know you don't do BBBJ, how about the two of us getting together for some safe and passionate fun?
(Ooops, it looks like there might be a few provinces separating us, darn it!)
More than a few elite SPs whose rates are in the 300/h range are doing very well without offering BB-anything, whether they advertise on PERB or not. So, is there a market for CBJ? You betcha!
Like FortunateOne said, CBJ-lovers (for lack of a better term) just don't go around hassling and haggling reviewers or SPs every time BBBJ comes up, so perhaps the voice in the market is skewed. But once in a while, we do read reviews which mention "BBBJ offered but refused". That should be quite telling.
BTW, although this too is a horse beaten to death many times over, even one of those who claimed to have originated the acronym GFE professed that GFE was never meant to be checklist-based. In other words, whether BBBJ, or for that matter, kissing, is included bears no correlation to whether it is a GFE session. Nowadays, even in a girlfriend/boyfriend situation, unless the couple is committed to being monogamous with each other, I doubt that all deeds are BB.
Of course, some will proudly claim that they are doing BB deeds with their girlfriend(s) as well as with SPs behind their girlfriends' back. Regarding these selfish SOBs who have no regard for the girlfriends' health and well-being, I pray that the girlfriends find out and do a Lorena Bobbit on them.
So, Miss Moi, now that I know you don't do BBBJ, how about the two of us getting together for some safe and passionate fun?
(Ooops, it looks like there might be a few provinces separating us, darn it!)
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