Can I in good conscience lead a double life as a pooner and a boyfriend?

tantalizeme

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Got kissed by someone new today. Not laid yet, just invited to kiss—but we obviously like each other and made plans for the next date.

I'm already feeling a predictable dilemma, which I guess is one of my life's BIG DECISIONS. Should I go for this relationship that promises affectionate companionship, without giving up my pooning hobby which nicely takes care of a large part of my sexual needs?

The woman I kissed today is warm-hearted, lovely in a mature way, easy to talk to, economically self-supporting and in tune with several of my interests. I don't often find, hardly ever in fact, that women with her qualities are available for a relationship with me. But of course, I also gather her ideas about sexuality fit very much the conservative mould.

Obviously I can't tell her I'm really a sexual renegade, a pooner, a swinger, a compulsive erotic fantasizer who gets off on the kinky, illicit, promiscuous. But who's to say a man's emotional and sexual needs should, or even can, be met by the same person? Just as a woman wouldn't let a man demand that she give up an essential part of her identity—say, her interest in extended shopping sprees for fancy clothes—so I'm not at all inclined to feel guilty about not letting a woman make me give up my identity as a pooner.

I think it's probably a myth that the same person is generally able to meet both one's emotional and sexual needs satisfactorily. My question is, if we can't get our needs for affection and sex met by the same person, what's wrong with trying to meet them separately?

I remember some PERB contributors, admirably decent guys, who withdrew from this hobby when they found a romantic partner. Good for them—but that's not what I'm willing to do. If I gave up pooning I'd quickly make unrealistic demands on both this woman's time and her willingness to have sex. We would also start off with a hefty dose of resentment on my part for the sacrifice I've made, or at least regret for the high opportunity cost. But what I fear most is a compression of my sexuality which levels it down to the rather tame, sporadic desire of a woman like her.

On the other hand, if I continue pooning, I can patiently wait for sex until she's ready, I can let her be as sexually repressed as she may turn out to be, I can even agree to spend most of our time just cuddling or talking or going out. She already told me stories of men who tried to pressure her sexually, and I'm sure she'll be delighted by the utter absence of pressure from me in this regard.

Of course, keeping my love life and sex life largely separate will require a bit of compartmentalizing and keeping things secret—which I'm confident I can do for quite a while and which, under the circumstances, seems by far the best course of action.
 

midnight

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Got kissed by someone new today. Not laid yet, just invited to kiss—but we obviously like each other and made plans for the next date.

I'm already feeling a predictable dilemma, which I guess is one of my life's BIG DECISIONS. Should I go for this relationship that promises affectionate companionship, without giving up my pooning hobby which nicely takes care of a large part of my sexual needs?

The woman I kissed today is warm-hearted, lovely in a mature way, easy to talk to, economically self-supporting and in tune with several of my interests. I don't often find, hardly ever in fact, that women with her qualities are available for a relationship with me. But of course, I also gather her ideas about sexuality fit very much the conservative mould.

Obviously I can't tell her I'm really a sexual renegade, a pooner, a swinger, a compulsive erotic fantasizer who gets off on the kinky, illicit, promiscuous. But who's to say a man's emotional and sexual needs should, or even can, be met by the same person? Just as a woman wouldn't let a man demand that she give up an essential part of her identity—say, her interest in extended shopping sprees for fancy clothes—so I'm not at all inclined to feel guilty about not letting a woman make me give up my identity as a pooner.

I think it's probably a myth that the same person is generally able to meet both one's emotional and sexual needs satisfactorily. My question is, if we can't get our needs for affection and sex met by the same person, what's wrong with trying to meet them separately?

I remember some PERB contributors, admirably decent guys, who withdrew from the hobby when they found a romantic partner. Good for them—but that's not what I'm willing to do. If I gave up pooning I'd quickly make unrealistic demands on both this woman's time and her willingness to have sex. We would also start off with a hefty dose of resentment on my part for the sacrifice I've made, or at least regret for the high opportunity cost. But what I fear most is a compression of my sexuality which levels it down to the rather tame, sporadic desire of a woman like her.

On the other hand, if I continue pooning, I can patiently wait for sex until she's ready, I can let her be as sexually repressed as she may turn out to be, I can even agree to spend most of our time just cuddling or talking or going out. She already told me stories of men who tried to pressure her sexually, and I'm sure she'll be delighted by the utter absence of pressure from me in this regard.

Of course, keeping my love life and sex life largely separate will require a bit of compartmentalizing and keeping things secret—which I'm confident I can do for quite a while and which, under the circumstances, seems by far the best course of action.
Relationships are built on trust, tell her you are a sexual animal and see if shes willing to meet that need. If not tell her goodbye it will never work long term. Lies are always found out! :eek:
 

Yman

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It seems like you've answered most of your questions ! Getting to know someone is a slow process. Some romantics out there claim they fell in love instantly and they just felt like they knew everything about that other person and they had a deep inexplicable connection. In reality, that's seldom the case.

Take your time. Have fun getting to know this person and vice versa. Anyone who feels compelled to jump in full tilt with an immediate commitment and pledge to monogamy is probably suffering from some serious insecurity-- and that can never be healthy. If the two of you are a great match then she will embrace you for all of your great qualities over time. The bond between you will only grow stronger. And in time you will be better positioned to asess if she will be open to you being a sex fiend and maybe even embrace the concept. Last time I checked having a strong sex drive is a good thing.

Midnight's advice of being open and honest is good. However, if you feel compelled to tell her about your kinks and perversions by the second date you might just freak her out and scare her off too soon. Wait a bit and lean in towards her while you're at your first bible study group together. Then whisper in her ear that you want her to fuck you up the ass with 12 inch strap-on.
 
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I think it's probably a myth that the same person is generally able to meet both one's emotional and sexual needs satisfactorily. My question is, if we can't get our needs for affection and sex met by the same person, what's wrong with trying to meet them separately?
Nothing! Nothing at all! If you go about it ethically. Which means: full disclosure.

A growing number of people agree with you. But guess what? They actually DO tell their partners that they are "compulsive erotic fantasizers who get off on the kinky, illicit, promiscuous", and then let their partners choose whether to stay or not.

It is common for polyamoric relationships to have a primary, or main, romantic partner - and then secondary ones, which could be more sexual relationships based on fulfilling particular needs or fantasies. But you AND your partner define the rules of how the secondary relationships are approached and designed.
It does not directly translate into pooning because you don't really seem to build relationships with the SPs... but I believe that the general principles of disclosing non-monogamous preferences would still apply.

Read this:
http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html

"The word "polyamory" is based on the Greek and Latin for "many loves" (literally, poly many + amore love). A polyamorous relationship is a romantic relationship that involves more than two people."

"Polyamory is defined by informed consent of all the participants. Without it, it ain't poly. If you can't invite your lover over to Thanksgiving dinner with the rest of your family because you don't want anyone to know what you're doing, it probably ain't poly."
 

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Obviously I can't tell her I'm really a sexual renegade, a pooner, a swinger, a compulsive erotic fantasizer who gets off on the kinky, illicit, promiscuous. But who's to say a man's emotional and sexual needs should, or even can, be met by the same person? Just as a woman wouldn't let a man demand that she give up an essential part of her identity—say, her interest in extended shopping sprees for fancy clothes—so I'm not at all inclined to feel guilty about not letting a woman make me give up my identity as a pooner.

On the other hand, if I continue pooning, I can patiently wait for sex until she's ready, I can let her be as sexually repressed as she may turn out to be, I can even agree to spend most of our time just cuddling or talking or going out. She already told me stories of men who tried to pressure her sexually, and I'm sure she'll be delighted by the utter absence of pressure from me in this regard.

Of course, keeping my love life and sex life largely separate will require a bit of compartmentalizing and keeping things secret—which I'm confident I can do for quite a while and which, under the circumstances, seems by far the best course of action.
LOL, your attempt to maintain your redemptive qualities are ridiculous. You are not thinking about this womans feelings at all.
If she is sexually repressed obviously she would not be a good match for you. If you are honest she can make a rational decision rather than a rash of passion reactive decision after she finds out.
Sounds to me you just want to get what you need out of her with no regard to what she may desire.
Personally I think the best course of action is to discuss your proclivities with her, if she can accept your selfishness the relationship could have a chance, otherwise you are just going to hurt her.
Your gracious patience seems like a monumental waste of time for her, I don't think you are doing her any favours. Be a man and tell her, don't string her along for what inevitably will be found out.
She may understand your nature or not but I think it's best for honesty. You can offer to stop pooning to give the courting period a chance, that is the noble thing to do.
Don't take her dignity, treat women with respect and be truthful, give her the compassionate thoughtful care she deserves.
I don't think women deserve to be something that is compartmentalized but rather prioritized, do the right thing for HER sake, not yours.
If your needs cannot be met by doing that you really are just prolonging the eventuality of heartbreak and bitterness.
She should know what kind of man she is getting involved with, allow her the opportunity to analyze and rationalize herself.

I was honest with my wife when we started out and she gave me the okay to continue. My good qualities outweigh the bad and she accepted me for who I am. Our marriage has withstood all the hardships because we fell in love amidst all the ugliness we did not hide and there is nothing now that can break our bond. Ultimately I think a relationship is about taking care of each other with all that entails, secrets are not conducive to good conscience.
 

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Sounds exactly like a married man who hires. He loves his wife, their life, etc but sexual needs are not complete. I'd be talking to the married men for advice on keeping the worlds seperate.
 

TheGuy

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I would suggest that a relationship and this 'lifestyle" do not really match. I think very, very few woman really want to have a relationship with a man knowing he participates in this world.

I would suggest that if you care about this woman that you may want to take a temporary break from this world and see if she can fill your needs.
 

HB40

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Can you do it? Yes
Should you do it? No

Now that was pretty simple ;)

Seems to me you're being very selfish and should have the nutz to be honest with the girl. If you aren't even going to try and give her an honest shot, don't waste her time. She deserves better than that.
You are getting quite wise Hubba, these hiatus's seem to be doing you some good. You must be spending some more time with Granny learning the "old" ways. ;)
 

blazejowski

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Dude I've got a wife and 2 girlfriends, the GF's know about each other and the wife. The wife doesn't know about the GF's but knows I poon, all I can say is life is great! Took me awhile to learn how to balance all their needs but once I figured it out it was well worth it! Yeah I know I'm an animal:p
Hats off to you, dude...:D

for me, it depends if she sucks good cock ;)
Never saw that one coming... :rolleyes:


No, I wouldn't tell her about (or stop partaking in) the pooning until you have a better idea of what she's like in bed. Just my two cents, but I would hate being stuck with a dud... :eek:
 

FortunateOne

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I think you have a lot to learn about women, and relationships with women. If you define all women in terms of what they supposedly deliberately withold from you from the day you meet them, vs actually developing a friendship with them, you will always fail at this, should probably not even attempt the second date, and stick to amps.

If you were genuinely interested in more than just 45 minutes of getting off a couple of times a week, like having shared experiences, actual conversation with someone who can actually communicate in your language lol, and getting out of your assumption of privilege (selfishness), then you should follow thru with this woman. If you cannot enjoy the simplicity of getting to know someone in the real world, then perhaps it would be better to stick to your pooning & not waste her time.

I find it interesting that while tantalizeme starts a lot of discussion threads, he rarely returns to any of them to actually have a discussion.

Anyhoo, a new thread led me to this site, which seems ideal for those who prefer not to get involved with real women:

http://www.naughtyreviews.com/u/ian/blog/second-life-lechery
 
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HB40

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When it comes to "Common Sense", you either got it or you don't ;)
You got that right Hubba! I work in the oilpatch and have given up trying to teach it.
A common saying out here is "don't stick your hands where you wouldn't stick your dick", unfortunately for us rig pigs that doesn't help much. :rolleyes:
 

Yman

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Personally I think the best course of action is to discuss your proclivities with her, if she can accept your selfishness the relationship could have a chance, otherwise you are just going to hurt her.
Your gracious patience seems like a monumental waste of time for her, I don't think you are doing her any favours. Be a man and tell her, don't string her along for what inevitably will be found out.
My God, I don't think he's even had a second date yet ! Whatever happened to dating or getting to know someone ?
 

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My God, I don't think he's even had a second date yet ! Whatever happened to dating or getting to know someone ?
Oh yeah, I never thought of that. Probably best for him to date multiple partners while she's getting to know "someone".
We should all wait until the lies catch up to us before being honest, playing with peoples feelings is fun. :rolleyes:
This is probably lost on an escort review board but most women do not like being played for a fool.
 

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The woman I kissed today is warm-hearted, lovely in a mature way, easy to talk to, economically self-supporting and in tune with several of my interests. I don't often find, hardly ever in fact, that women with her qualities are available for a relationship with me. But of course, I also gather her ideas about sexuality fit very much the conservative mould.
Sounds to me like you have assumed a whole lot, considering you barely know her.

How do you know she is "conservative"... because she didn't hope into bed on the first kiss? Because of how she dresses? Because of her " other values".

You are short changing both her and yourself when you make assumptions, and I think you would be better better off to not assume so much.

There are many people in my life that would "assume" I am more proper.... and many of those would be men I meet in the real world, and I can also say the same has happened on the flip... the conservative, corporate man.... well that is where the surprise is.

Personally, if you truly respect the person, I believe you owe it to her to be open, and yes, I know all too well how difficult that can be. You may just be surprised, and if nothing else.... you will know you were straight and adult enough to put your cards on the table.

There are lots of things I am not into, and somethings that I may not have tried, but open to it and certainly doesn't mean I judge it. To be honest, I would have no problem having filled somethings outside my relationship.... If given the choice

Take away my choice in a traditional relationship and should I find out, I can assure you it would be game over.

The best relationships out there, are open, honest and accept the differences of each other... in and out of the bedroom.
 

Yman

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Oh yeah, I never thought of that. Probably best for him to date multiple partners while she's getting to know "someone".
We should all wait until the lies catch up to us before being honest, playing with peoples feelings is fun. :rolleyes:
This is probably lost on an escort review board but most women do not like being played for a fool.

Our boy here is just dating. I believe he hasn't even been on a second date yet. There are no lies at this point in time. Do you know otherwise ?

And last time I checked dating a few people at one time is a socially accepted norm-- for both men and women. Being in a committed and monogamous arrangement while still being a philanderer is not so readily accepted. You do know the difference ?
 

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So u kissed. At this point, big deal. Its not like they're committed to each other in anyway. I say keep dating and doin ur thing until u come to the cross roads of deciding if u guys are to be labeled as a couple. Who knows, maybe the opportunity won't even happen - they realize they don't like each other any more or something..

The assumption we're making is that the girl wants to take it to the next level. Who knows if this is still the case - mayhbe she's dating around too. I say date and poon till the opportunity to decide comes ur way. U don't owe her anything till u guys are official and vice versa.
 

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Can you do it? Yes
Should you do it? No

Now that was pretty simple ;)

Seems to me you're being very selfish and should have the nutz to be honest with the girl. If you aren't even going to try and give her an honest shot, don't waste her time. She deserves better than that.
Can you do it? Yes...

Should you do it? Sure....until you and her get really comfortable with sex. Slowly bring her into your world of sexual freakiness....

But don't even mention the word 'escorts' or Sp or anything like that. Don't disclose anything, Tant!
 
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