has anyone seen CL Desiree?

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lol.

The Taco's are good...the sauce is re-used from the oil changes....he's being environmentally conscious.
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Looks like a wannabe Escort service, with photography done by Julio of Julio's Taco Stand and Oil Change service.
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The above SP's are with Hot Girls Fantasy

They seem to be a spin off from Vish's SP's that were put out of a job when his MP's were closed. The pictures are mostly for real; however, the pricing is through the roof. Search Noddy's post on Alicia and you will know what to expect.

I have communicated with many of them but never been willing to pay their rates. Double the normal fee at a MP.
 
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Thanks guys - that is why this site is so great. I never thought of searching other girls and i knew multiple girls on this one ph #
 
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Few points worth mentioning

trawler said:
They seem to be a spin off from Vish's SP's that were put out of a job when his MP's were closed. The pictures are mostly for real; however, the pricing is through the roof. Search Noddy's post on Alicia and you will know what to expect.

I have communicated with many of them but never been willing to pay their rates. Double the normal fee at a MP.
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Few points worth mentioning.

1) I met Noddy, really nice fella, and he expected a rise in price because Alicia was new and drop dead gorgeous.

2) Vish has 0% - NOTHING to do with Hot Girls. The girls were leaving regardless of his fate, and they are all INDEPENDENT. Vish is not involved whatsoever.......take that to the bank!

3) Hot Girls is a marketing venue, not an agency. The gals are their own boss.

4) The reason the costs are higher than most is the girls are outcall, and the costs for security drivers (not taxi driver mentality) is alot more. Ever since the bad event a month ago where a lady was murdered and a coward did nothing to prevent it - there is higher emphasis on protection from those mentalities of retarded clients who believe women are less than deserving.

**** Hope this clears up some misunderstandings.
 
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P.S.

Desiree has a gorgeous face. Absolutely gorgeous.

She is 100% open minded to everything on the menu.

She is a curvier girl, but for such a young gal, she is really hot looking!
 
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security

I never understood the need for security issue.

Don’t get me wrong, obviously security is important, however, what exactly is a security guy going to do when he drops the girl off. I assume he doesn’t go into the motel, and once inside the girl is pretty much on her own anyways.

If anything happens wouldn’t it be just as easy to call 9-11 and have immediate police response, with people that can at least enforce the law. I know somewhere an argument will start that the police won’t enforce anything because it is an escort type of response.

So in essence aren’t these security guys just really “drivers”? I don’t want to get into a heated discussion on the merits of security, but I was just wondering what the practical picture was on this, and if it isn’t some guy charging an arm and leg for being a driver, who in the event of situation would still have to be called like the police.
 
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Blackjack21 said:
I never understood the need for security issue.

Don’t get me wrong, obviously security is important, however, what exactly is a security guy going to do when he drops the girl off. I assume he doesn’t go into the motel, and once inside the girl is pretty much on her own anyways.

If anything happens wouldn’t it be just as easy to call 9-11 and have immediate police response, with people that can at least enforce the law. I know somewhere an argument will start that the police won’t enforce anything because it is an escort type of response.

So in essence aren’t these security guys just really “drivers”? I don’t want to get into a heated discussion on the merits of security, but I was just wondering what the practical picture was on this, and if it isn’t some guy charging an arm and leg for being a driver, who in the event of situation would still have to be called like the police.
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Police don't have a very positive attitude towards sex providers, bottom line!
What the security drivers for Hot Girls do is security, they follow literal security procedures to ensure safety from potential bad dates. Of course, the vast majority are gents, but there are always the few who try to be advantageous or abusive if they believe they can get away with it.

The independent ladies at Hot Girls have good dates, all the time!!!
That's the only way to do business.
 
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I don’t debate the fact that the security drivers might in fact be the best in the business. Maybe they have police, military or elite security backgrounds. They might even be the toughest guys on the planet. That being said once they leave a girl in the hands of the client, they are not actively available for intervention.

I recognize that part of the security process involves prescreening clients. However I wonder how much actual information anyone has, and what the actual ability is to prescreen.

Your argument about the police not becoming involved might be based somewhat on myth. I recognize that in the past police didn’t normally take issues with working girls too seriously, however I would think times have changed somewhat, and that when violence becomes an issue then an investigation usually results.

I was curious as to what measures would happen if a girl was assaulted? Does the security guy show up and take matters into his own hands and risk getting arrested and charged himself? Or do they in the end report it to the police. If thats the case then it is no different than having the girl do it herself.
 
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Blackjack21 said:
I don’t debate the fact that the security drivers might in fact be the best in the business. Maybe they have police, military or elite security backgrounds. They might even be the toughest guys on the planet. That being said once they leave a girl in the hands of the client, they are not actively available for intervention.

I recognize that part of the security process involves prescreening clients. However I wonder how much actual information anyone has, and what the actual ability is to prescreen.

Your argument about the police not becoming involved might be based somewhat on myth. I recognize that in the past police didn’t normally take issues with working girls too seriously, however I would think times have changed somewhat, and that when violence becomes an issue then an investigation usually results.

I was curious as to what measures would happen if a girl was assaulted? Does the security guy show up and take matters into his own hands and risk getting arrested and charged himself? Or do they in the end report it to the police. If thats the case then it is no different than having the girl do it herself.
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THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION SIMPLY PUT IS:
DO WHATEVER IS REQUIRED TO PROTECT THE LADY!!!

Sorry my friend, details I can not provide however.
 
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I think BlackJack is trying to tell you to get a real job..u f*in bum.....instead of living off the avails of said SP..etc.
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In reality, there's nothing you can do to protect them once in. Legally, you can't arrest/apprehend someone for a crime they have yet to commit right?
It's the same as the cops can't do anything either.

More than anything on your defense, you provide the security that you are "watching" and the client knows technically he/she can't get away with any "funny business". I think it prevents most creeps from doing anything which for the most part is good enough.

However, the true pyschos do not give a shit and those you can't do anything about period except do a citizen's arrest but by that time..again it's too late.

It's not the most glamorous job seriously, and being available 24/7 to drive them around town and wait in a car is seriously sounding like a really shitty job. I can think of a million other things I could be doing. Like the girls, the money has to be decent to continue.

The concept is sound and just like any type of business out there, there are opportunities for someone to be taken advantage of on both sides.

It's a messed up world out there, and in the end it's the girl that's risking it all....

LarryFlyntRules said:
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION SIMPLY PUT IS:
DO WHATEVER IS REQUIRED TO PROTECT THE LADY!!!

Sorry my friend, details I can not provide however.
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chris2008 said:
It's not the most glamorous job seriously, and being available 24/7 to drive them around town and wait in a car is seriously sounding like a really shitty job. I can think of a million other things I could be doing. Like the girls, the money has to be decent to continue.
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Hence the driver's fee being charged.
 
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Wolvie:

I understand the fee, however like Chris stated there isn’t anything you can really do even as security person. So the point is why should anyone be paying elevated rates for a driver who in the end can’t do anything. That’s really the whole point of my comments. If security is in fact a non entity, then what is the point of paying for it, or is that just an excuse for the elevated rates to begin with.

Is there not an equal chance at a MP that some whacko can walk in and go ballistic on the staff? I guess the argument can be made that generally there are always going to be more staff to prevent that from occurring however, what is to stop someone from doing something inside a room?

Incidentally I noticed an advertisement on CL wanting a driver in “exchange for services” so I wonder if this is the general method of payment, and if so, again what type of security guy are going to be getting.
 
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Blackjack21 said:
Is there not an equal chance at a MP that some whacko can walk in and go ballistic on the staff? I guess the argument can be made that generally there are always going to be more staff to prevent that from occurring however, what is to stop someone from doing something inside a room?
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Most MPs have cameras which would deter (one would hope) something from happening.

The fact is that there are a couple of agencies aligned with MPs that seem to get by with a $100 to $200 'surcharge'. While still high definitely a better choice than these 'also rans'.

Competition is such a great thing. Montreal is definitely the best in Canada and Windsor when it was hopping was damn good as well. For under $200 you'd get a fantastic lady delivered to your door without a goon.
 
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Long in short of this issue, I guess it is realistic to say that anyone who would be against a professional security driver escorting a female to a location - there alone is an issue with that person.

Gents of the world don't care about it, because they have no intentions of doing harm whatsoever.

Also, the ladies of the business appreciate knowing that they are safer, and that is really the bottom line here, there are two sides.

Side one is the client and side two is the provider.

If a client can not respect their righ to be protected, then that is not a client any of the gals here would want.

The gals here want clients with enough class to respect them back.

As for the secrets in security at Hot Girls, that will not be defined for obvious reasons.
 
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blackjack, i can speak on this. the lady that got murdered was my best friend and a fellow SP.

What happened is, Dennis (driver of chantel) dropped her off and LEFT. Had he not left, he would have heard her screams like the neighbors did. However, the neighbors either didn't want to get involved, or thought it was just loud partying.

He would of thought differently, and would have immediately broken into the house someway or another while calling the police and therefore MAY have prevented her death.

Hot girls takes a step forward and the driver actually meets the client, makes sure he's not high/drunk and shakes the dude's hand. this does alot psychologically, making the potential killer think twice because alot of clients think a girl is lying when she says her driver is waiting and will come in if she doesn't call out. I know, i've experienced this before.

This simple gesture not only makes the girl feel safe, it exposes the guy "somewhat" and therefore may prevent most bad things from happening such as violence, or worse.
 
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