She's not banned or warned cause she's a paid advertiser. That's just the way things are in here.
What benefits do Natives get?
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Uh, no. But I am curious why it is that you were 'aloud' to post these and not banned by BCmod. These 'jokes' of yours are both racist and insulting. To preclude criticism with "I am part one so I can" is appalling, especially since you know so little about that part of your family tree. In my heritage there is a black person. Does that make it okay for me to make comments or jokes about porch monkeys eating watermelon and fried chicken, and washing it down with kool-aid? Hell no. It's sad to see that you are allowed to get away with this shit, considering things far less offensive were said by members who are not in red, yet they got spanked. Go figure.
Who said I don't know about my heritage???!!!
I know all I need to know about my biological (ojibwa-not sure if spelt right) "dad".
He taught me how to make banik, a few phrases in his language, also he is the one who told me the jokes I repeated to humor you all.
I also know he is an angry drunk who smashed my moms face in a mirror when he found out my mom wanted to keep me.
He takes advantage of anyone he knows...hes never worked hard in his life for anything.
Maybe this is because the government gives him so many free rides.
I know all indians are not like him...LOL I'm not an alcoholic and my teeth are pretty nice...
I will never be ashamed at the fact that I talk before analizing my thoughts first...being truly honest is actually a great quality to have... how would I learn from others if I didn't say how I feel...I never claimed to be perfect.
I do know that I don't need special treatment for something that happened so so so long ago.
Im not in government and I don't make the rules for every indian but I do make the rules for myself and just because my biological father is indian doesn't mean I am.
My step dad was a real father to me, and because of this I respect myself and my ability to earn my own happiness.
I am not racist but from experience I can find humor in native jokes and nobody can tell me not to laugh when I want to.
hubbabubba and inyourbum and lilasianguy I love you.
I know LAG, and that was the point I was making...kinda sad IMO.She's not banned or warned cause she's a paid advertiser. That's just the way things are in here.
Since I never quite got a handle on the multi quote thing, I put the comments I want to respond to in bold.Who said I don't know about my heritage???!!!I know all I need to know about my biological (ojibwa-not sure if spelt right) "dad".
He taught me how to make banik, a few phrases in his language, also he is the one who told me the jokes I repeated to humor you all.
I also know he is an angry drunk who smashed my moms face in a mirror when he found out my mom wanted to keep me.He takes advantage of anyone he knows...hes never worked hard in his life for anything.
Maybe this is because the government gives him so many free rides.
I know all indians are not like him...LOL I'm not an alcoholic and my teeth are pretty nice...
I will never be ashamed at the fact that I talk before analizing my thoughts first...being truly honest is actually a great quality to have... how would I learn from others if I didn't say how I feel...I never claimed to be perfect.
I do know that I don't need special treatment for something that happened so so so long ago.
Im not in government and I don't make the rules for every indian but I do make the rules for myself and just because my biological father is indian doesn't mean I am.
My step dad was a real father to me, and because of this I respect myself and my ability to earn my own happiness.
I am not racist but from experience I can find humor in native jokes and nobody can tell me not to laugh when I want to.
hubbabubba and inyourbum and lilasianguy I love you.
By saying "who cares", I took that to mean you didn't know, my bad.
Sorry to hear that about your mom, would you like me to look into getting you and Nadia a joint paypal account?
It sounds like you shoot from the lip, that is sad. You might want to consider stepping back and gathering a shred of empathy before you post. Is your post fair to all concerned? Does it make sense and serve a purpose? Those jokes get a big no and no. As do the posts by you in the thread about your overweight client...whatever.
what a dirty shot... Gee someone once said "You might want to consider stepping back and gathering a shred of empathy before you post"Sorry to hear that about your mom, would you like me to look into getting you and Nadia a joint paypal account?
There are White people who act like Indians and then there are Aboriganals who are like White people - the color of your skin does not dictait how you are in society, it is only HOW you act.Who said I don't know about my heritage???!!!
MANY woman suffer from spousal abuse !!I also know he is an angry drunk who smashed my moms face in a mirror when he found out my mom wanted to keep me.
And pardon me but how are you any different ??He takes advantage of anyone he knows...hes never worked hard in his life for anything.
WHITE single mothers get free rides to !! Nationality has little to do with this.Maybe this is because the government gives him so many free rides.
Your teeth are pretty because you can afford a dentist - we escorts charge a nice fee to stay looking nice.I know all indians are not like him...LOL I'm not an alcoholic and my teeth are pretty nice...
I had a wise woman once told me, and I have to work on it everyday - Sensoring what comes out of ones mouth should be done. NOT everything you say needs to be said. Their is another wise saying, "it's better to be thought a foul and stay quiet then to open your mouth and reveal all doubt."I will never be ashamed at the fact that I talk before analizing my thoughts first...being truly honest is actually a great quality to have... how would I learn from others if I didn't say how I feel...I never claimed to be perfect.
As a society the special treatment is for all the wrongs we've done to one sector of the world.I do know that I don't need special treatment for something that happened so so so long ago.
Actually yes YOU are racist.I am not racist but from experience I can find humor in native jokes and nobody can tell me not to laugh when I want to.
~sigh~
I actually agree with you here. I found Danika's "Jokes" to be distasteful and offensive. However, I'm aware that some people use humour as a defence mechanism. Unfortunately I didn't find it very funny. As a Black women myself nothing picks my ass more then seeing and hearing young Black men refer to each other as N-word. Both my brothers use to talk like to each other as well as their friends (whom are predominantly white) and allow their friends to talk to them like that and my mama would go upside their heads if she heard it. My mama always said that we need to have respect for each other before anyone else would respect us. Now as the boys are growing older they are realizing how ugly it sounds and looks. One day hopefully Danika will see that too. People who are proud of who they are and where they come from don't talk like that. To hate on your culture is to hate on yourself.Uh, no. But I am curious why it is that you were 'aloud' to post these and not banned by BCmod. These 'jokes' of yours are both racist and insulting. To preclude criticism with "I am part one so I can" is appalling, especially since you know so little about that part of your family tree. In my heritage there is a black person. Does that make it okay for me to make comments or jokes about porch monkeys eating watermelon and fried chicken, and washing it down with kool-aid? Hell no. It's sad to see that you are allowed to get away with this shit, considering things far less offensive were said by members who are not in red, yet they got spanked. Go figure.
I don't think it's racist if your making a joke about your own race. My S/O is quarter native and she gets nothing because she has no papers. She is trying to get them but you have to trace back your family lines and prove your status. The reason you have such a hard time is simple. Natives get alot from the govenment, and thats coming from her Native family members. The system gets taken advantage of. I believe that natives shouldn't be given any special benefits. When the europeans came to North America and bought stole whatever they did happened along time ago. Why should the government keep paying for it? Everybody should have the same laws and the same benefits. That way no one can call racism.
boned up the ass
One of the benefits many young Native men got was getting boned up the ass, just like their dad, and his dad. Residential schools were in Canada for 100 years and the last one closed about 20 years ago - so many Native men over 25 or so enjoyed that benefit. Many young women had the benefit of getting raped by the ministers who enjoyed the pick of the litter year after year.
Now they get the benefit of reliving these experiences in order to be compensated for the harm to the individual. There is no compensation for the familial or community harm such atrocities would accrue in any group of people.
Another benefit is the scorn of so many 'Canadians' who believe, wrongly, that they get all kinds of freebies.
If anyone thinks they should "get over it" just send your kids to live on just about any reserve so they can enjoy the lingering benefits of all the good whitey has brought.
For some good redskin jokes check out Don Burnstick's "You might be a redskin if . . ."
One of the benefits many young Native men got was getting boned up the ass, just like their dad, and his dad. Residential schools were in Canada for 100 years and the last one closed about 20 years ago - so many Native men over 25 or so enjoyed that benefit. Many young women had the benefit of getting raped by the ministers who enjoyed the pick of the litter year after year.
Now they get the benefit of reliving these experiences in order to be compensated for the harm to the individual. There is no compensation for the familial or community harm such atrocities would accrue in any group of people.
Another benefit is the scorn of so many 'Canadians' who believe, wrongly, that they get all kinds of freebies.
If anyone thinks they should "get over it" just send your kids to live on just about any reserve so they can enjoy the lingering benefits of all the good whitey has brought.
For some good redskin jokes check out Don Burnstick's "You might be a redskin if . . ."
wow...
I'm a white guy first off, adopted...grew up on a reserve...I dont like posting on here much..but here goes..
I came down here a few years back, I was kind of put out by all the province readin instant experts out there, I pretty well expected this thread to be full of them...some of you restored my faith in humanity...a little hehe...A few points I want to make:
Natives dont want back their traditional territories, what they want is the government to honor their treaties they signed, the misconception is BC is the only province without treaties...not true, they did make treaties with many ofthe nations, then aroundthe late 1800's, early 1900's when the epidemics swept thru, killing off over 90% of all of the bands (the early fur trader, Hudsons Bay Comany and the famous blankets), many even going extinct, our kind government responded to this by breaking the treaties and taking vast amounts of the treatied lands away, saying it was too much land for the survivors. even after world war 2, with the vast expance of crown land, they felt they had to expropriate more reservation land to give to returning war veterans. (theres still a few indian war veterans out there, never officially recognized, sometimes I wonder what they must have thought at the time..coming back to that...)
The populations rebounded, and with the existing land, and lack of jobs on reserves, theyve been fighting for more of a land base to try and become economically sufficient,for the government to honor their previous agreements.. they hate D.I.A more then the proudest wife beetin redkneck..
Residential schools were not like the schools you went to..theyd take the kids from 5 years old...let them come back twice a year, a small visit christmas, a short summer...imagine seeing your 5 year old kid 2 times a year, then with all the crap that went on in the schools going on...name changes to start..being beaten for anything traditional and..pagan..I wont even go into the rest...then having some angry confused 18-20 year old stranger come back...generations past this way. The last school closed in Kamloops in 1978.
Some reservations (very few) do well, the few that are in populated areas..people see them and think their all the same....before you speak...go up north...see them with your own eyes...
Some say move them off, abolish them...You move to the U.S., then...Why not?....This is your home?..Your country?...Your community?...What happens when other countries do this sort of thing? What do we think of them?...We champion ourselves to the world as the nice guys?...is it really a solution to say look at how long that was ago,...Or it wasnt me...Or this government isnt the same...Those of us with an iq over 80 know our countries done a bad thing. It may have started long ago, but it is still happening now, and we use every excuse out there not to deal with it..in good faith...or we could just go ahead and annex what they have left, throw in a lil more genocide...whos problem are we talking about fixing?
Some of the things Ive seen on reserves growing up, we could all learn from, the community dinners, the community care for the youth and the elderly, the education of the young, the overall respect for other members of the community, regardless of social class/situation...I'm nooowhere near saying its a better place/happy place, I'm saying the people I grew up with for the most part have alot of respect for one another....
Some people use the education for a complaint, they dont realize the funding comes in part from other social programs alot of the times...from a pretty damn tight budget. Its part of the communities dream of their children not having to go through what they did, to try and givethem a better life. If people have a complaint about it, they shoudln't bitch at indians, they should complain to their own levels of government, why dont they have the same for their community? Why can they give themselves huge payraise after payraise, pensions from short political careers...
I'm not a band member or status, I never will be, my community still accepted me, put me through school. I respect them immensely for it, it was money they didnt have to, and dont have alot of.
They have a right to be here, a right to be proud of the people they are, a right for us, the technilogically advanced civilization to deal with them respectfully...regardless of generation...government...
Flame on, I didnt punctuate properly...some people hate these ....'s.....and I'm pretty sure I missed a bunch of capitals....and to tell the truth its been a damn long day and I polished off 2 more cold ones writing it......Anyone with a some of my best friends...or my uncles cousins...or I just read the Province last night.....go wild......I just needed to get this shit off my chest...I dont even tell people I'm from a reserve down here anymore, every expert out there has something to say about it, and its usually the type that you'd never get to see the light of day anyways...but for anyone out there who has a half a brain and an ounce of compassion and can take something from this, from a person with a lifelong experience....Its kinda why I wrote it.
I'm a white guy first off, adopted...grew up on a reserve...I dont like posting on here much..but here goes..
I came down here a few years back, I was kind of put out by all the province readin instant experts out there, I pretty well expected this thread to be full of them...some of you restored my faith in humanity...a little hehe...A few points I want to make:
Natives dont want back their traditional territories, what they want is the government to honor their treaties they signed, the misconception is BC is the only province without treaties...not true, they did make treaties with many ofthe nations, then aroundthe late 1800's, early 1900's when the epidemics swept thru, killing off over 90% of all of the bands (the early fur trader, Hudsons Bay Comany and the famous blankets), many even going extinct, our kind government responded to this by breaking the treaties and taking vast amounts of the treatied lands away, saying it was too much land for the survivors. even after world war 2, with the vast expance of crown land, they felt they had to expropriate more reservation land to give to returning war veterans. (theres still a few indian war veterans out there, never officially recognized, sometimes I wonder what they must have thought at the time..coming back to that...)
The populations rebounded, and with the existing land, and lack of jobs on reserves, theyve been fighting for more of a land base to try and become economically sufficient,for the government to honor their previous agreements.. they hate D.I.A more then the proudest wife beetin redkneck..
Residential schools were not like the schools you went to..theyd take the kids from 5 years old...let them come back twice a year, a small visit christmas, a short summer...imagine seeing your 5 year old kid 2 times a year, then with all the crap that went on in the schools going on...name changes to start..being beaten for anything traditional and..pagan..I wont even go into the rest...then having some angry confused 18-20 year old stranger come back...generations past this way. The last school closed in Kamloops in 1978.
Some reservations (very few) do well, the few that are in populated areas..people see them and think their all the same....before you speak...go up north...see them with your own eyes...
Some say move them off, abolish them...You move to the U.S., then...Why not?....This is your home?..Your country?...Your community?...What happens when other countries do this sort of thing? What do we think of them?...We champion ourselves to the world as the nice guys?...is it really a solution to say look at how long that was ago,...Or it wasnt me...Or this government isnt the same...Those of us with an iq over 80 know our countries done a bad thing. It may have started long ago, but it is still happening now, and we use every excuse out there not to deal with it..in good faith...or we could just go ahead and annex what they have left, throw in a lil more genocide...whos problem are we talking about fixing?
Some of the things Ive seen on reserves growing up, we could all learn from, the community dinners, the community care for the youth and the elderly, the education of the young, the overall respect for other members of the community, regardless of social class/situation...I'm nooowhere near saying its a better place/happy place, I'm saying the people I grew up with for the most part have alot of respect for one another....
Some people use the education for a complaint, they dont realize the funding comes in part from other social programs alot of the times...from a pretty damn tight budget. Its part of the communities dream of their children not having to go through what they did, to try and givethem a better life. If people have a complaint about it, they shoudln't bitch at indians, they should complain to their own levels of government, why dont they have the same for their community? Why can they give themselves huge payraise after payraise, pensions from short political careers...
I'm not a band member or status, I never will be, my community still accepted me, put me through school. I respect them immensely for it, it was money they didnt have to, and dont have alot of.
They have a right to be here, a right to be proud of the people they are, a right for us, the technilogically advanced civilization to deal with them respectfully...regardless of generation...government...
Flame on, I didnt punctuate properly...some people hate these ....'s.....and I'm pretty sure I missed a bunch of capitals....and to tell the truth its been a damn long day and I polished off 2 more cold ones writing it......Anyone with a some of my best friends...or my uncles cousins...or I just read the Province last night.....go wild......I just needed to get this shit off my chest...I dont even tell people I'm from a reserve down here anymore, every expert out there has something to say about it, and its usually the type that you'd never get to see the light of day anyways...but for anyone out there who has a half a brain and an ounce of compassion and can take something from this, from a person with a lifelong experience....Its kinda why I wrote it.
wow...
I'm a white guy first off, adopted...grew up on a reserve...I dont like posting on here much..but here goes..
I came down here a few years back, I was kind of put out by all the province readin instant experts out there, I pretty well expected this thread to be full of them...some of you restored my faith in humanity...a little hehe...A few points I want to make:
Natives dont want back their traditional territories, what they want is the government to honor their treaties they signed, the misconception is BC is the only province without treaties...not true, they did make treaties with many ofthe nations, then aroundthe late 1800's, early 1900's when the epidemics swept thru, killing off over 90% of all of the bands (the early fur trader, Hudsons Bay Comany and the famous blankets), many even going extinct, our kind government responded to this by breaking the treaties and taking vast amounts of the treatied lands away, saying it was too much land for the survivors. even after world war 2, with the vast expance of crown land, they felt they had to expropriate more reservation land to give to returning war veterans. (theres still a few indian war veterans out there, never officially recognized, sometimes I wonder what they must have thought at the time..coming back to that...)
The populations rebounded, and with the existing land, and lack of jobs on reserves, theyve been fighting for more of a land base to try and become economically sufficient,for the government to honor their previous agreements.. they hate D.I.A more then the proudest wife beetin redkneck..
Residential schools were not like the schools you went to..theyd take the kids from 5 years old...let them come back twice a year, a small visit christmas, a short summer...imagine seeing your 5 year old kid 2 times a year, then with all the crap that went on in the schools going on...name changes to start..being beaten for anything traditional and..pagan..I wont even go into the rest...then having some angry confused 18-20 year old stranger come back...generations past this way. The last school closed in Kamloops in 1978.
Some reservations (very few) do well, the few that are in populated areas..people see them and think their all the same....before you speak...go up north...see them with your own eyes...
Some say move them off, abolish them...You move to the U.S., then...Why not?....This is your home?..Your country?...Your community?...What happens when other countries do this sort of thing? What do we think of them?...We champion ourselves to the world as the nice guys?...is it really a solution to say look at how long that was ago,...Or it wasnt me...Or this government isnt the same...Those of us with an iq over 80 know our countries done a bad thing. It may have started long ago, but it is still happening now, and we use every excuse out there not to deal with it..in good faith...or we could just go ahead and annex what they have left, throw in a lil more genocide...whos problem are we talking about fixing?
Some of the things Ive seen on reserves growing up, we could all learn from, the community dinners, the community care for the youth and the elderly, the education of the young, the overall respect for other members of the community, regardless of social class/situation...I'm nooowhere near saying its a better place/happy place, I'm saying the people I grew up with for the most part have alot of respect for one another....
Some people use the education for a complaint, they dont realize the funding comes in part from other social programs alot of the times...from a pretty damn tight budget. Its part of the communities dream of their children not having to go through what they did, to try and givethem a better life. If people have a complaint about it, they shoudln't bitch at indians, they should complain to their own levels of government, why dont they have the same for their community? Why can they give themselves huge payraise after payraise, pensions from short political careers...
I'm not a band member or status, I never will be, my community still accepted me, put me through school. I respect them immensely for it, it was money they didnt have to, and dont have alot of.
They have a right to be here, a right to be proud of the people they are, a right for us, the technilogically advanced civilization to deal with them respectfully...regardless of generation...government...
Flame on, I didnt punctuate properly...some people hate these ....'s.....and I'm pretty sure I missed a bunch of capitals....and to tell the truth its been a damn long day and I polished off 2 more cold ones writing it......Anyone with a some of my best friends...or my uncles cousins...or I just read the Province last night.....go wild......I just needed to get this shit off my chest...I dont even tell people I'm from a reserve down here anymore, every expert out there has something to say about it, and its usually the type that you'd never get to see the light of day anyways...but for anyone out there who has a half a brain and an ounce of compassion and can take something from this, from a person with a lifelong experience....Its kinda why I wrote it.
I'm a white guy first off, adopted...grew up on a reserve...I dont like posting on here much..but here goes..
I came down here a few years back, I was kind of put out by all the province readin instant experts out there, I pretty well expected this thread to be full of them...some of you restored my faith in humanity...a little hehe...A few points I want to make:
Natives dont want back their traditional territories, what they want is the government to honor their treaties they signed, the misconception is BC is the only province without treaties...not true, they did make treaties with many ofthe nations, then aroundthe late 1800's, early 1900's when the epidemics swept thru, killing off over 90% of all of the bands (the early fur trader, Hudsons Bay Comany and the famous blankets), many even going extinct, our kind government responded to this by breaking the treaties and taking vast amounts of the treatied lands away, saying it was too much land for the survivors. even after world war 2, with the vast expance of crown land, they felt they had to expropriate more reservation land to give to returning war veterans. (theres still a few indian war veterans out there, never officially recognized, sometimes I wonder what they must have thought at the time..coming back to that...)
The populations rebounded, and with the existing land, and lack of jobs on reserves, theyve been fighting for more of a land base to try and become economically sufficient,for the government to honor their previous agreements.. they hate D.I.A more then the proudest wife beetin redkneck..
Residential schools were not like the schools you went to..theyd take the kids from 5 years old...let them come back twice a year, a small visit christmas, a short summer...imagine seeing your 5 year old kid 2 times a year, then with all the crap that went on in the schools going on...name changes to start..being beaten for anything traditional and..pagan..I wont even go into the rest...then having some angry confused 18-20 year old stranger come back...generations past this way. The last school closed in Kamloops in 1978.
Some reservations (very few) do well, the few that are in populated areas..people see them and think their all the same....before you speak...go up north...see them with your own eyes...
Some say move them off, abolish them...You move to the U.S., then...Why not?....This is your home?..Your country?...Your community?...What happens when other countries do this sort of thing? What do we think of them?...We champion ourselves to the world as the nice guys?...is it really a solution to say look at how long that was ago,...Or it wasnt me...Or this government isnt the same...Those of us with an iq over 80 know our countries done a bad thing. It may have started long ago, but it is still happening now, and we use every excuse out there not to deal with it..in good faith...or we could just go ahead and annex what they have left, throw in a lil more genocide...whos problem are we talking about fixing?
Some of the things Ive seen on reserves growing up, we could all learn from, the community dinners, the community care for the youth and the elderly, the education of the young, the overall respect for other members of the community, regardless of social class/situation...I'm nooowhere near saying its a better place/happy place, I'm saying the people I grew up with for the most part have alot of respect for one another....
Some people use the education for a complaint, they dont realize the funding comes in part from other social programs alot of the times...from a pretty damn tight budget. Its part of the communities dream of their children not having to go through what they did, to try and givethem a better life. If people have a complaint about it, they shoudln't bitch at indians, they should complain to their own levels of government, why dont they have the same for their community? Why can they give themselves huge payraise after payraise, pensions from short political careers...
I'm not a band member or status, I never will be, my community still accepted me, put me through school. I respect them immensely for it, it was money they didnt have to, and dont have alot of.
They have a right to be here, a right to be proud of the people they are, a right for us, the technilogically advanced civilization to deal with them respectfully...regardless of generation...government...
Flame on, I didnt punctuate properly...some people hate these ....'s.....and I'm pretty sure I missed a bunch of capitals....and to tell the truth its been a damn long day and I polished off 2 more cold ones writing it......Anyone with a some of my best friends...or my uncles cousins...or I just read the Province last night.....go wild......I just needed to get this shit off my chest...I dont even tell people I'm from a reserve down here anymore, every expert out there has something to say about it, and its usually the type that you'd never get to see the light of day anyways...but for anyone out there who has a half a brain and an ounce of compassion and can take something from this, from a person with a lifelong experience....Its kinda why I wrote it.
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Wow, that was great! Thanx Synd77 for contributing. I’ve read a lot of great stuff here and have found it to be in a small way….mmm… educational. A lot of history, opinions and facts that I wasn’t aware of. About five years ago or so in college a girlfriend and I thought it would be interesting to trace our family trees back to learn more about our history. I remember my great grandma sitting us kids down and telling us stories about slavery that her grandmother would tell her. Because her grandmother was in the era when slavery was abolish. I learnt that my family came to Canada through the underground railroad and settled on Salt Spring Island. Anyway, when I traced my family tree back I found out that my great grandma’s, grandmother was actually part Cherokee. I don’t really tell people that just because I think it’s very offensive when people say….”well I dated a Native person” or “my best friends’ Black” I can’t stand that crap and I don’t want to be one of those people. And I figured if I said anything about it, it would just sound the same. After all….could the Cherokee blood line in my family history be washed out by the time it reaches me?
Anyhoo, I just wanted to say I don’t care who did wrong by who. Like was said in a earlier post in this thread every race has had it’s share of pain. Perhaps there should be compensation for all. I sincerely hope that one day we could be people rather then races. I also hope that one day there will be no such thing as a pure race. I want everyone to mix and mingle
Anyhoo, I just wanted to say I don’t care who did wrong by who. Like was said in a earlier post in this thread every race has had it’s share of pain. Perhaps there should be compensation for all. I sincerely hope that one day we could be people rather then races. I also hope that one day there will be no such thing as a pure race. I want everyone to mix and mingle
What does being new here have to do with anything?LOL!! New here, huh?
By Danika's own admission she has no ties other then blood to natives. So she is in no position to relieve the racial tensions of a people she does not identify with.
By Danika's own admission she is part native or are my reading skills being called into question?
As i clearly said earlier when it comes to jokes it's all about context. I'm way more offended by some of the beliefs and comments being made in here by some 'well meaning' individuals.
It astounds me that people do not learn their history, and they certainly don't learn from it when they display how little they know.
Alot of repetitive stuff here as well-please take the time to read and absorb before commenting.
The system gets taken advantage of. I believe that natives shouldn't be given any special benefits. When the europeans came to North America and bought stole whatever they did happened along time ago. Why should the government keep paying for it? Everybody should have the same laws and the same benefits. That way no one can call racism.
This particular line of thinking -- "it happened a long time ago" -- is the basis for the incredible ignorance surrounding the issue of First Nations and their benefits. What happened a long time ago was the Indians were driven off of their land even after they were given small unusable tracts of land to barely subsist upon, this land was and has continued to be encroached upon by unscrupulous people while the government looked the other way because they didn't want to prosecute a white man. The Indians were worse off and had lower status than the slaves as they (the slaves) were at least considered a commodity that had to be fed and housed. Indians became beggars in their own land.
What happened "a long time ago" still has vast and sweeping repercussions today. First nations are fighting for their right to have land to live on. Not just the crappy unfarmable lot that was "given" to them in the 1700 and 1800's, but more arable land that can help a culture continue to grow and flourish.
A royal proclamation (which in retrospect was probably an accident by King George) gave Indians the right to self-govern and to possess certain rights and freedoms that we're already theirs for thousands of years before European contact. Doesn't anybody see the irony in that?
Anyway, many British landowners here in Canada didn't like the royal proclamation and ignored it for decades, many aspects as recent as the 1980's. They continued to allow white homesteaders to have title anywhere they wanted including the pitiful chunks of land so "generously" given to the Indians.
Anyone who thinks that native claims are outdated and too far in the past have their collective heads up their asses. Come on up for air and do a bit of research please!!!!!
Synd77 - great post...
You touched on something that sums up much of the sadness with respect to the indigenous people of Canada.
Europeans have historically advocated a policy of assimilation that could have resulted in cultural genocide.
From smallpox blankets to residential schools the treatment of natives has been largely hostile. This is most unfortunate.
Kweeezy: you have very good intentions; however, what GoodKat is referring to is a situation where Danika judged someone based on physical characteristics. Spend a moment reading this wonderful thread:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79837
Judging people based on physical characteristics is a form of discrimination. Danika is well on her way to expanding that discrimination to others...this does not sit well with many people on the board.
You touched on something that sums up much of the sadness with respect to the indigenous people of Canada.
Europeans have historically advocated a policy of assimilation that could have resulted in cultural genocide.
From smallpox blankets to residential schools the treatment of natives has been largely hostile. This is most unfortunate.
Kweeezy: you have very good intentions; however, what GoodKat is referring to is a situation where Danika judged someone based on physical characteristics. Spend a moment reading this wonderful thread:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79837
Judging people based on physical characteristics is a form of discrimination. Danika is well on her way to expanding that discrimination to others...this does not sit well with many people on the board.
I'm part native. Enough to get my status card, but never have. I have a number of native friends or aquaintences. Some who have abused the system and some who haven't. The ones that have tried to encourage me to go get my status are the one who have abused the system. Personally I'm torn on the idea of gettng it.
I have seen both sides of having status. The good and the bad. I believe people appreciate what they have more when they earn it, instead of having it handed to them. As far as helping with education, I'm all for helping natives with their education. As far as a fat cheque when somebody turns 16 or 18, I don't agree with it.
I remember driving back from Ontario and stopping off at a Tim Hortons for coffee. There were 3 young girls ahead of me ordering coffee. Each one of them used their status cards to avoid the tax on a $1.50 coffee. I remember shaking my head at that and thinking, "WTF?"
I don't know enough about my heritage to fully understand why in 2008 natives are still getting tax breaks and large amounts of cash. I can't say if it's right or wrong. Like I said. I have seen and heard of cases where natives have abused the system. But I have also seen and heard of other nationalities abuse the welfare system as well as other government run systems. If there's a system. No matter that system it is, somebody will abuse it. No matter their color or nationality.
As for myself, I could go get my status card. I could buy stuff and not have to pay some of the taxes. I could pull into the gas station on the reserve just at the edge of the city and flash a status card and get gasoline for up to .20 cheaper. I could, but I see no reason.
The system, just like many other systems is flawed. I can deal with that.
There is an ongoing debate here in Calgary when it comes to the smoking ban. Casinos throughout the city have been forced to go non-smoking. However, the casino on native land, right in the middle of the city, is allowed to operate as a smoking casino. I'm not sure I agree with that. To me, it seems like an unfair playing field. So I suppose in some aspects, natives do get special treatments. Right or wrong, it's not my choice or decision.
It's really a tough call. No matter what I or others think about any one topic, somebody will always be there with opposing thoughts.
I have seen both sides of having status. The good and the bad. I believe people appreciate what they have more when they earn it, instead of having it handed to them. As far as helping with education, I'm all for helping natives with their education. As far as a fat cheque when somebody turns 16 or 18, I don't agree with it.
I remember driving back from Ontario and stopping off at a Tim Hortons for coffee. There were 3 young girls ahead of me ordering coffee. Each one of them used their status cards to avoid the tax on a $1.50 coffee. I remember shaking my head at that and thinking, "WTF?"
I don't know enough about my heritage to fully understand why in 2008 natives are still getting tax breaks and large amounts of cash. I can't say if it's right or wrong. Like I said. I have seen and heard of cases where natives have abused the system. But I have also seen and heard of other nationalities abuse the welfare system as well as other government run systems. If there's a system. No matter that system it is, somebody will abuse it. No matter their color or nationality.
As for myself, I could go get my status card. I could buy stuff and not have to pay some of the taxes. I could pull into the gas station on the reserve just at the edge of the city and flash a status card and get gasoline for up to .20 cheaper. I could, but I see no reason.
The system, just like many other systems is flawed. I can deal with that.
There is an ongoing debate here in Calgary when it comes to the smoking ban. Casinos throughout the city have been forced to go non-smoking. However, the casino on native land, right in the middle of the city, is allowed to operate as a smoking casino. I'm not sure I agree with that. To me, it seems like an unfair playing field. So I suppose in some aspects, natives do get special treatments. Right or wrong, it's not my choice or decision.
It's really a tough call. No matter what I or others think about any one topic, somebody will always be there with opposing thoughts.
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Here I go again...
I wandered back here...I guess to see what people had to say about things...thank you for the respect I got...I have a few more points to make:
Indians dont get houses for free, they get a CHMC mortgage, the ones I'm aware of are 25% of personal earnings based over a 25 year span...for a property..thats only saleable to less the 3% of the population of Canada...a real deal....and if the band member owning the mortgage dies, it isnt even transferable to the offspring unless their band members.....which in this day and age...good luck...this isnt their system btw..its whats...best for them....custom elections and rules are what many bands are fighting for....
I dont even know an indian that has ever got these..cheques...maybe because I'm from BC...either way even if I ever met a person who got a...cheque...I'd wonder if it was worth it...
welfare on the reserve I know..is next to imossible to get on..and if you do its $175 a month...whata life for those who have to...real high rollers....
To Calgary Jen...3 indians skipping tax on coffies??..are they all this way? how cheap....you know you live in Calgary..its differant then BC...no treaties here..no cheques...and another thing I want to point out...It reminds me of my first of my "English" classes in colllege...
A bunch of us...whitey me..and the rest...aboriginals....our first english class...our teacher dives into biased writing..saying it is morally improper to speak of people as oriental..they are Pekanise..Tiwanise...yada yada...down the list....he then states to all of us...Indian is a socially acceptable term....I took issue..I asked are the Haida...from the west coast..the same as the Shuswap?.the Blackfoot? the Mowhaks?...the Beothuks and Micmacs on the east coast...he said their socially acceptable....I learned alot about politics fighting to pass that course...
Those 3 tax savin coffie drinkin indians...are they a representation of their nation to you?...let alone the vast collection of natives in North America?....
How many get these huge cheques?? should we trash them all..without respect?...are you Irish?...french?...German?...Italian?...a mix?.....Polish?... you go to europe and call them all Europeans..I'm sure eventhat that socially acceptable term might cause strife with many...do they have more of a cause for culteral identity then the ones we've confined, muted, and damn near eliminated here?
People dont realize what was lost with the way we did things....the schools...the plagues...so much of the First Nation cultural identity was lost..what was left was one elder with this story....another with this experience of this...I see now a people struggling to piece together the bits they now have left of who they were, trying to be proud of it...I see reserves now teaching their students their languageto fight its extinction....then sending them to our schools, their ciriculum on top of ours.....to revive..and save whats become a rare thing even amongst their own people...I have respect for that...
Good luck on your status/band membership Jen..Danika...if it ever crossed your minds...I was 6 months old when I was adopted...fostered to be correct...the govt had a problem with an indian, my father, adopting a white kid..so all my life..even thoughI call myself adopted..I still have this fostername...I sign his name...the problems with that never end...had to deal with the joke that is children and family services, till I was 18 and they booted me out with my braces half done hehe......You dont deserve status or a band membership...People like you who never lived on reserve, In their communities... who just have a natural tan....you shouldn't have a voice....you insult people who area member of their nation....if you ever cared about your identity, you would have approached it with a little respect...What do they owe to you...find another crutch...sad is a person who doesn't know who they are...doesnt really care or have the respect to find out...who are you to insult their identity to try to fit in with others...who dont know who they are either...
I wandered back here...I guess to see what people had to say about things...thank you for the respect I got...I have a few more points to make:
Indians dont get houses for free, they get a CHMC mortgage, the ones I'm aware of are 25% of personal earnings based over a 25 year span...for a property..thats only saleable to less the 3% of the population of Canada...a real deal....and if the band member owning the mortgage dies, it isnt even transferable to the offspring unless their band members.....which in this day and age...good luck...this isnt their system btw..its whats...best for them....custom elections and rules are what many bands are fighting for....
I dont even know an indian that has ever got these..cheques...maybe because I'm from BC...either way even if I ever met a person who got a...cheque...I'd wonder if it was worth it...
welfare on the reserve I know..is next to imossible to get on..and if you do its $175 a month...whata life for those who have to...real high rollers....
To Calgary Jen...3 indians skipping tax on coffies??..are they all this way? how cheap....you know you live in Calgary..its differant then BC...no treaties here..no cheques...and another thing I want to point out...It reminds me of my first of my "English" classes in colllege...
A bunch of us...whitey me..and the rest...aboriginals....our first english class...our teacher dives into biased writing..saying it is morally improper to speak of people as oriental..they are Pekanise..Tiwanise...yada yada...down the list....he then states to all of us...Indian is a socially acceptable term....I took issue..I asked are the Haida...from the west coast..the same as the Shuswap?.the Blackfoot? the Mowhaks?...the Beothuks and Micmacs on the east coast...he said their socially acceptable....I learned alot about politics fighting to pass that course...
Those 3 tax savin coffie drinkin indians...are they a representation of their nation to you?...let alone the vast collection of natives in North America?....
How many get these huge cheques?? should we trash them all..without respect?...are you Irish?...french?...German?...Italian?...a mix?.....Polish?... you go to europe and call them all Europeans..I'm sure eventhat that socially acceptable term might cause strife with many...do they have more of a cause for culteral identity then the ones we've confined, muted, and damn near eliminated here?
People dont realize what was lost with the way we did things....the schools...the plagues...so much of the First Nation cultural identity was lost..what was left was one elder with this story....another with this experience of this...I see now a people struggling to piece together the bits they now have left of who they were, trying to be proud of it...I see reserves now teaching their students their languageto fight its extinction....then sending them to our schools, their ciriculum on top of ours.....to revive..and save whats become a rare thing even amongst their own people...I have respect for that...
Good luck on your status/band membership Jen..Danika...if it ever crossed your minds...I was 6 months old when I was adopted...fostered to be correct...the govt had a problem with an indian, my father, adopting a white kid..so all my life..even thoughI call myself adopted..I still have this fostername...I sign his name...the problems with that never end...had to deal with the joke that is children and family services, till I was 18 and they booted me out with my braces half done hehe......You dont deserve status or a band membership...People like you who never lived on reserve, In their communities... who just have a natural tan....you shouldn't have a voice....you insult people who area member of their nation....if you ever cared about your identity, you would have approached it with a little respect...What do they owe to you...find another crutch...sad is a person who doesn't know who they are...doesnt really care or have the respect to find out...who are you to insult their identity to try to fit in with others...who dont know who they are either...
Great post Synd77...cause i use to think all natives get cheques of 1200.00 per month. Dont ask me why i think this but many of my friends believe this also.
A very heart felt post by Synd77.
One from the experience of being there and not from observing Indians through a myopic microscope.
I'm old enough to see that politically correctness has created a somewhat frightened society. Too afraid to offend and say the wrong thing. I'm old enough to call myself an Indian with pride and I know that First Nations is the more correct term. Some may find it interesting to know that 'Native American' is a categorizational term used to blanket all Nations under the same footnote in some politician's handbook. It was first used by 'the Department of the Interior' in the USA. So although the word native gets used alot, it is still not one of my favourites. I like Indian and I'll tell you why before someone from India jumps down my throat.
Christopher Columbus, when he was lost and discovered by the Indians {yes, you read that right!!} he called the people he met 'In Dios' which meant gentle people of God. He was Italian but working for Queen Isabella of Spain, so it didn't come out all that well in the Spanish translation. Hence the term Indian. In 1492, there was no India, it was called Hindustan. Therefore Indian in my eyes is a perfectly respectable term and something I've used my whole life.
However now i get these PC freaks telling me I'm referring to myself incorrectly. See how it goes? It used to be okay to refer to African Americans as black but now we have these hyphenated terms. When will it all end? The moment common sense takes over and we become less wishy washy about how we can refer to each other. Context is important. Paying attention to one's intention is a life lesson.
I'll concede that Danika's timing on this board, and considering the topic and heat of the times, it may not have been appropiate. However as i said earlier, those are jokes that every Indian has already heard or more likely has told at one time or another. "Politically Incorrectness" only seems to bother well meaning(?) white middle to upper classes as they struggle with the guilt of the indignities their ancestors may have heaped upon those less fortunate. These PC terms originated from some middle class movement in the States and became enacted when it hit some politico's clipboard.
The moment we begin to overly soften all language is the moment we detract from the impact of our words, good or bad.
One from the experience of being there and not from observing Indians through a myopic microscope.
I'm old enough to see that politically correctness has created a somewhat frightened society. Too afraid to offend and say the wrong thing. I'm old enough to call myself an Indian with pride and I know that First Nations is the more correct term. Some may find it interesting to know that 'Native American' is a categorizational term used to blanket all Nations under the same footnote in some politician's handbook. It was first used by 'the Department of the Interior' in the USA. So although the word native gets used alot, it is still not one of my favourites. I like Indian and I'll tell you why before someone from India jumps down my throat.
Christopher Columbus, when he was lost and discovered by the Indians {yes, you read that right!!} he called the people he met 'In Dios' which meant gentle people of God. He was Italian but working for Queen Isabella of Spain, so it didn't come out all that well in the Spanish translation. Hence the term Indian. In 1492, there was no India, it was called Hindustan. Therefore Indian in my eyes is a perfectly respectable term and something I've used my whole life.
However now i get these PC freaks telling me I'm referring to myself incorrectly. See how it goes? It used to be okay to refer to African Americans as black but now we have these hyphenated terms. When will it all end? The moment common sense takes over and we become less wishy washy about how we can refer to each other. Context is important. Paying attention to one's intention is a life lesson.
I'll concede that Danika's timing on this board, and considering the topic and heat of the times, it may not have been appropiate. However as i said earlier, those are jokes that every Indian has already heard or more likely has told at one time or another. "Politically Incorrectness" only seems to bother well meaning(?) white middle to upper classes as they struggle with the guilt of the indignities their ancestors may have heaped upon those less fortunate. These PC terms originated from some middle class movement in the States and became enacted when it hit some politico's clipboard.
The moment we begin to overly soften all language is the moment we detract from the impact of our words, good or bad.
