24 Seconds of Hell: My Sad Take on Robert Dziekanski

[aznboi9]

So what are ya getting at here Super Hero?
Fuck the media, fuck the people you work for, you don't think there is a problem so there is'nt one & we should all trust the good Super Hero cops because they know whats best for all of us?

What the hell is wrong with you? Da Bookie was simply making the point that the information on the website should be taken with a grain of salt (don't automatically believe everything on the web, gee, what a concept ). The questions that he raised are actually legitimate questions on the validity of the website's numbers as it's a little more complicated than simply looking at the number of deaths and automatically concluding that tasering is inherently bad/should be banned. And this looks like the first time that he's even commented in the Lounge, much less on the tasering incident. It was respectful in tone and you simply jump all over him. WTF.

While I agree that the RCMP's conduct wrt to Dziekanski was inexcusable, this jumping on top of the mountain with knee-jerk hollering at anybody who rightly questions the veracity and validity of stats and figures and, in this case, bizarrely accusing them of being a cop is simply retarded.

 

[GoodKat]

Technically, a choke hold is supposed to be non-lethal

Completely untrue.

 

[Pantherdash]

Completely untrue.

Jesus Christ man...the intention is there to subdue not to kill, but just like the taser, it sometimes happens that it exa****ates a worsening condition beyond the officer's control.

A firearm is lethal, because more than likely if I was to shoot you, chances are you'd die. If I take you and place you in a choke-hold, what are the chances you will die? Quit spinning shit around to make your argument seem better...it's cheap and completely discredits your original argument. Unless of course you're also naive and stupid.

Panther

 

[GoodKat]

Jesus Christ man...the intention is there to subdue not to kill, but just like the taser, it sometimes happens that it exa****ates a worsening condition beyond the officer's control.

A firearm is lethal, because more than likely if I was to shoot you, chances are you'd die. If I take you and place you in a choke-hold, what are the chances you will die? Quit spinning shit around to make your argument seem better...it's cheap and completely discredits your original argument. Unless of course you're also naive and stupid.

Panther

Actually retard, that is what my instructor told me during the defensive tactic portion of my bst training. Care to talk out of your ass some more?

 

[Pantherdash]

Actually retard, that is what my instructor told me during the defensive tactic portion of my bst training. Care to talk out of your ass some more?

It's funny how you guys suddenly come up with things like you were in the military, you're a bouncer, you're a security guard...all crap to puff up your own chests. I guess you really are a boner!

Think about what you said. You implied that a choke hold is intended to kill the perp, and I added that it would not, by default like a shot to the chest with a .40 calibre pistol, for example.

...and what the fuck is bst training...Bull Shit Tactics?

Panther

 

[GoodKat]

It's funny how you guys suddenly come up with things like you were in the military, you're a bouncer, you're a security guard...

Yup, I was a mall cop.

Think about what you said. You implied that a choke hold is intended to kill the perp

Think about what you said. You're actually trying to imply that cutting off somebody's oxygen or bloodflow to the brain is harmless.




There you have it folks. Conclusive evidence that Panther isn't a cop even though he's just as full of shit as one.

 

[Krustee]

What the hell is wrong with you? Da Bookie was simply making the point that the information on the website should be taken with a grain of salt (don't automatically believe everything on the web, gee, what a concept ). The questions that he raised are actually legitimate questions on the validity of the website's numbers as it's a little more complicated than simply looking at the number of deaths and automatically concluding that tasering is inherently bad/should be banned. And this looks like the first time that he's even commented in the Lounge, much less on the tasering incident. It was respectful in tone and you simply jump all over him. WTF.

While I agree that the RCMP's conduct wrt to Dziekanski was inexcusable, this jumping on top of the mountain with knee-jerk hollering at anybody who rightly questions the veracity and validity of stats and figures and, in this case, bizarrely accusing them of being a cop is simply retarded.

asian boy, if you had bothered to read any of the information that is posted on that site you will see they have references to news articles & witness testimony for most if not all incidents.

Ask yourself this question;
"Who do I trust more", the news media who have a track record of exposing crime & wrong doing by appointed officials?

or

The police who for some reason have been allowed to investigate themselves whenever there is a question on an incident or impropriety?

Wanna guess how many time the police have found themselves guilty?


I've personally seen cops break the law, steal from & abuse people all in the name of the law.

I don't care if your the highest judge in the nation or the Prime Minister - you commit a crime you should pay the price.

NOBODY is above the law!

 

[aznboi9]

asian boy, if you had bothered to read any of the information that is posted on that site you will see they have references to news articles & witness testimony for most if not all incidents.

I'm not going to search the website looking for the circumstances of all 310 taser related deaths. I don't have the time nor the interest. Maybe you should have pointed that out to Da Bookie when he asked you his question with all respect. Instead you jumped down his throat because he had the temerity to question the significance of the number 306 wrt to risks of Tasering. That was my only point.

At any rate that question would seem to be valid as a quick skim revealed that a couple of the cited articles related to one of the deaths suggest that it was due to acute cocaine toxicity, and not the Taser. This legitimately calls the 306 number into question as well as the honesty of the website. That was all that Da Bookie was trying to point out.

You could have addressed his post like a mature individual; instead, you went off on him on some unnecessary rant, flaming him about cops being OUR employees blah, blah…

Ask yourself this question;
"Who do I trust more", the news media who have a track record of exposing crime & wrong doing by appointed officials?
…
NOBODY is above the law!

This has nothing to do with my OP. Spare me the sanctimonious attitude; I’m not interested.

 

[Pantherdash]

Hey twisty,

You must work for Amnesty International seeing as how you like to distort information and arrive at sweeping conclusions. I think you'd be better as a mall security guard.

Think about what you said. You implied that a choke hold is intended to kill the perp, and I added that it would not, by default like a shot to the chest with a .40 calibre pistol, for example.
Panther

Not every choke hold kills. Yes the chances are there that it kills if enough pressure is applied, but it's not as lethal as, say using a Glock.

Think about what you said. You're actually trying to imply that cutting off somebody's oxygen or bloodflow to the brain is harmless.

There you have it folks. Conclusive evidence that Panther isn't a cop even though he's just as full of shit as one.

There you go again jumping to conclusions and adding words to my statement. I never said that it was not lethal, what I said was that if it's used it's not used to cause death, but rather as a restraining method. A strong choke hold can cause unconsciousnous and yes, even death, but it requires a lot of effort to do so. It's not as lethal as a manual choke (using the fingers to choke) that restricts the airwaves and bloodflow. That's lethal almost every time it's used. Maybe you were thinking of the manual choke. What YOU'RE implying is that a choke hold kills EVERY time it is applied, which is not true. Maybe you should go back to your Bull Shit training there mall cop.

Here's an easy to read refresher course for you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choke_hold

And for the love of God, people I NEVER said that I was a cop. You GULLIBLE fools especially SMACKyo were the ones who started saying that I was a cop and taking polls and crap, and getting freaked out saying that I'm going to bust your favourite micros which is all such a bunch of hog wash. But my friends and I started playing games on you (very obviously fake) and you guys still kept buying into it. So it really shows me how little intelligence you guys possess. And Goodkat, you're at the bottom of that food chain!

Panther

 

[smackyo]

talks like a cop, walks like a cop, knows all about cops. hmmmmm, must be a cop.

 

[ma1234]

Hey twisty,

You must work for Amnesty International seeing as how you like to distort information and arrive at sweeping conclusions.

What is wrong with Amnesty International?

If it werent' for them assholes like you would rule the world.

 

[GoodKat]

Hey twisty,

Hey retard!

Not every choke hold kills. Yes the chances are there that it kills if enough pressure is applied, but it's not as lethal as, say using a Glock.

It is just as lethal as a Glock depending on your intent. Not all gunshot wounds are lethal either, maybe I aim my Glock at your foot. See what I'm saying?

The fact of the matter is a chokehold can kill somebody very easily which is why Security Guards and Police officers are not allowed to use them as a form of restraint.

A strong choke hold can cause unconsciousnous and yes, even death, but it requires a lot of effort to do so.

LOL!! Go to a brazilian jiu jutsu school. A proper choke hold can put you under in the blink of an eye.

Oh and double LOL for using Wiki in your arguement!