Giving COPS ur info...

[not2old]

Here is a good handbok. Look at page 17

http://www.bccla.org/publications/handbook.pdf


Identifying Yourself

Sometimes, even though you don’t have to, it’s a good idea to
give the police your name and address. Use your common sense.
Most of the time, according to the law, you do not have to give
the police any information.

You only have to give police your name and address if:

1. you are under arrest;

2. you are driving a car. Passengers in the car do not
have to give the police their names or addresses; or

3. a police officer is giving you a ticket (for breaking a
city bylaw or any other law) or serving you an appearance
notice.


The Right to Remain Silent

You have the right to remain silent. Except for polite conversation,
it is best not to say anything to the police until you have
spoken to a lawyer.

 

[Rolls Royce]

About a year ago

Hey RR. How long ago was this encounter with an SW on Kingsway?

Hi Pantherdash, this happened to me about a year ago. Any advice? Thank you Kodiak_bear3 and not2old for the DISC info and BCCLA handbook reference. It says in the DISC program link given by Kodiak_bear3 that the Police have to explain to you that they are collecting this information to enter it into a law enforcement database, I was NEVER explained this. Still waiting to hear if I passed this criminal background check (and this is the only thing on there and the anticipation is killing me!!)

 

[Pantherdash]

In a criminal background check, I doubt the record will come up. My understanding (based on very little info) is that the street check drops off after some time. A year sounds like enough time. Street checks are more useful to police for people that they come into contact with on a regular basis, so for law-abiding persons to remain on that database would require quite a bit of regular housecleaning and record maintenance, not to mention all the other massive databases that they refer to on a regular basis.

I, however, wouldn't take my advice because I am not a lawyer nor a cop. About the best I can do for you is refer you (and all others interested) to the VPD website and see if you can find a link to the PPM or the departmental Policies and Procedures Manual. It is a manual that all members must know and adhere to. The one I skimmed through was the 2006 version and it had some parts taken out, because of, well security concerns. But interesting read nonetheless. But I warn you that it is almost 700 pages in length.

I had a similar situation happen to me about 3 years ago and a couple of female constables pulled up beside my vehicle. The girl kept walking as she saw the cruiser pull up. They knew my address (they looked it up as they were responding to a tip from some scumbag informant wearing a wire) and I just played dumb. They just told me to leave and Panther, well, dashed. Oh, how stupid was I to pick up SWs when incalls are so much better and safer.

I've been meaning to do my own criminal background search so I'll see if it shows up...nothing should show up except for that armed robbery beef a couple of years ago. Just kidding! But I've been curious. And if the PPM's not available on-line anymore, I'll look for it on my computer and post the section that applies, if it's not edited out.

Panther

 

[Pantherdash]

...Sorry that's the Regulations and Procedures Manual and it's still up at the following url:

http://vancouver.ca/police/Planning/RPM/index.htm

The PDF is at the link at the bottom of the page. Happy reading.

Panther

 

[rubluvr]

Just in case you wanted to know...

In all of BC there is a system that is shared amongst all law enforcement agencies. PIRS is no more... If you contact the police for any reason - even a barking dog, you are entered into the system. This is not a criminal record, it is essentially an index of contact with you. If you call in an accident you see, it is recorded in the system - there is no definitive disposal date on this information and given the ever expanding capacities of such systems, I truly doubt it ever goes away. So bottom line if you are checked or contact the police in any way, it is on the system. The only time you are required to produce identification without reasonable cause is under the Railway Act - CN Police for example, can require you to produce identification within 25 miles of a railway - like there is any place in the lower mainland more than 25 miles away from that... So the bottom line is that even with the GVTAPS - transit police that is, if you give them your name and date of birth, there will be a record created on the system that is accessible to all police agencies in the province. It will indicate the reason you were ID'd as well. It is not a criminal record and will not come up in a criminal records check, but big brother does have you on the system... don't ever assume otherwise. Best advice is to be polite and cheerful to the police, if they want your name and such either give it to them or don't as it's a judgment call. Never give a phony name because you can be charged with uttering or obstruction if the cop gets pissed at you...

 

[Pantherdash]

Hey roopster77, is that new system called PRIME-BC?

Good info by the way.

So these records of calls made to police and street checks, are they easily accessible by any rank of police, general access files, or are they restricted access files?

Panther

 

[Rolls Royce]

Got the job!

Hey all,
Great news and a BIG relief nothing came back negative on the criminal background check.

 

[Pantherdash]

Rolls Royce

Hey all,
Great news and a BIG relief nothing came back negative on the criminal background check.

Giddyup, bro. Congrats on your new job!

That information probably would've come up if you were applying for a position with the police, either civilian or sworn constable, or if applying with CSIS. Yikes! Imagine that!

Panther

 

[CalgaryJenn]

On the same note a cop has to legally identify themselves and their badge number as well as car number to you if you feel you are ever being harassed for no reason or if you feel you are being profiled (as this is illegal) and they love to do, thinking a civillian doesn't know their own rights and don't like it when you know just as much about the law as they do.

They will try and give you the how hum about how you have no right to ask them any questions and you are in the wrong.....NOT!

and to the comment that was made about "didn't ask if they were a cop" doesn't matter, I know it goes against what I just wrote but when they want their guy for a bust, asking, or even touching to do the "cop test" doesn't matter either...this much I DO know unless it can be physically proven.

When an sw is picked up by a pooner, why is it they both think that just asking "are you a cop?" is their initial get out of jail ticket question?....it's not, wake up! Thinking that if we do the "let's touch each other test" is the ultimate test, again not true, unless the chick can get down there and give a taste test but look for a mark of some sort or pick out any characteristics down there if it does turn out to be a bust, then at least you have physical evidence, it would be investigated and then questioned and you are not looked at as the "crooked one" and then your life doesn't get turned upside down and your wife leaves you thinking all your undercover stings were legit, then looked upon as just gettin your rocks off with hookers as a "job",....sorry officer ********** of the Windsor police, but I'm not the one whose life got turned upside down and lost everything wife, kids life because you went way beyond your duty as a cop to get a bust. .....OOPSIE!
So many cops think and have the attitude because I can, I AM the law...what the fuck ever. Never put up with shit even from a cop if you know your right and they are wrong...FIGHT! My cousin is CPS and has even told me their are crooked cops out there that will do almost anything they can to get their dude/girl within reason.
This has been my .2 cents.

 

[AlwaysLooking]

Not that I disagree with you CalgaryJenn. But aren't there just as many or maybe more SP's who will do or say whatever it takes to meet their own end (and not back it up?)

The Cop has to back it up in Court and if they have done a piss poor job then their case gets tossed.

The SP has to back it up in Service - if they don't perform as promised, what is the recourse?

Essentially, there are good and bad people in every profession. Just my .02.

 

[agent47]

alright this is what u do

if ur innocent....
1) ask to leave, if they say no u are being detained
2) if things look bad for u even if ur innocent give them ur name and adress then shut the fuck up and ask for a lawyer. because everything u say or do can and will be used againest you in a court of law.
3) if ur innocent and there isnt too much evidence saying that ur guilty co operate fully but choose ur words wisely.

if your guilty...
1) always ask to leave if they say no ur being detained
2) if u get arrested they will pat u down for weps. let them DO NOT RESIST!!
3) if they start asking questions shut the fuck up and ask for a lawyer. just give them ur name and address thats it.
4) oh and they need a good reason to search ur car, if they ask to search ask why. also get name and badge number of cop just in case.


oh and a little note if u wanna be a pain in the ass go limp. it doesnt count as resisting arrest

 

[daddyohh]

I've been meaning to do my own criminal background search so I'll see if it shows up...nothing should show up except for that armed robbery beef a couple of years ago. Just kidding! But I've been curious. And if the PPM's not available on-line anymore, I'll look for it on my computer and post the section that applies, if it's not edited out.

Panther

So panther how do you do a criminal background check on yourself?? It would be of use to me to do this ;-)

D

 

[Rolls Royce]

Giddyup, bro. Congrats on your new job!

That information probably would've come up if you were applying for a position with the police, either civilian or sworn constable, or if applying with CSIS. Yikes! Imagine that!

Panther

Thanks man so far so good

 

[Pantherdash]

So panther how do you do a criminal background check on yourself?? It would be of use to me to do this ;-)

D

Go to your local Police Station and ask for a Criminal Background check form. You can also get the form from their web site (I know Vancouver Police have one on their's). Fill it in and return it, pay the fee ($50 I think) and in a few weeks you'll get your Criminal Background check in the mail or you can pick it up at the Police station.

 

[REDZONE]

15$ for tittles ...??!! and you got busted? whats wrong with you ??

i had no idea there was cheap ass crackers on here...

plus weirdos pulling tits for 15$...lame buddy lame..i hope you are 16

no wonder you got busted-- too bad you didnt get your ass checked for drugs

 

[mik]

Check out Page 5 of this manual produced by the Toronto Police Service:

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/communitymobilization/newcomer/guides/tps_guide_eng.pdf

Don't forget the second paragraph of Page 6......

Finally, remember that if you appear "reasonably suspicious" because of where you are, with whom you are, time of day, etc, expect to be questioned.

 

[Pantherdash]

That doesn't sound right to me. If you are arrested, your rights are communicated to you, and some of the rights are the right to remain silent, the right to legal counsel.... if you can't afford one, one will be provided for you... yadayadayada...

Anyways, I would find it difficult to believe that someone who is not being arrested doesn't have the same right to remain silent if they choose to do so. The only thing I can think of is that LE could call it obstruction of justice if they believe you are suppressing pertinent information with regards to a crime that they know has happened.

Jeremy, I think what he meant is that you have to provide ID to the police when asked, especially if you're driving a car. You may then excercise your right to not say anything.

As for obstruction of justice, not saying anything wouldn't constitute obstruction since you have a right to invoke it in the first place. Obstruction would be giving false or misleading information to the police.

Panther

 

[Pantherdash]

Pantherdash, you may be right... I really don't know. The definition of obstruction of justice is unclear to me.

I don't think any of us in this thread really know the law about this, including myself. My suggestion to the poster asking opinions on this... don't rely on the information provided in these public forums as factual and reliable legal advise, they are just opinions that could very well be extremely off-base. If you really want to know what your rights are about this, then seek legal advise.

That's very sound advice, Jeremy because yes, I am not a lawyer. This information is my interpretation of the law, but if any of you are ever in deep caca make sure you phone a good lawyer.

But you bring up a very good point about Canadian Law and the way that it is written and ironically it may shed some light on its ambiguity.

Ambiguity IS the point. The law is written in very ambiguous terms so that it can be interpreted by the police and the courts in different situations and, I suspect, for different people. It is certainly not as clear, direct and concise as American law.

Panther