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Kaela ?
There comes a time when clients no longer show up looking for you (for whatever reason: poor attitude, lacklustre or uninspired service, no extras, etc. etc.), I think an SP realizes that it's time to hang it up and earn income the same way as the rest of the population. . .just hope that they socked away some (or most) of their money when the money was good - the foolish ones usually don't (instead they adopt lavish and profligate lifestyles thinking that there will be no "rainy" day someday. . .)
Since she's no longer in the lineup and hasn't shown up anywhere else, I think it's safe to assume that she has retired from the business. . .
There comes a time when clients no longer show up looking for you (for whatever reason: poor attitude, lacklustre or uninspired service, no extras, etc. etc.), I think an SP realizes that it's time to hang it up and earn income the same way as the rest of the population. . .just hope that they socked away some (or most) of their money when the money was good - the foolish ones usually don't (instead they adopt lavish and profligate lifestyles thinking that there will be no "rainy" day someday. . .)
Not only that but regardless of popularity and service
an sp should always look to the future, being and sp for years and years in the buiss is alot like prize fighters comming back years past there prime. If an sp is smart she will realize that this buiss can be a means to an end a road to a better life!! Not just an easy way to party, score dope, and fill your wardrobe and buy expensive shit. i don't think she (an sp) has to wait till her popularity wains to decide on retiring it should be based on meeting goals she sets for herself.IMO
Not always, maybe she has changed her name or moved onto another less popular studio, or even gone to a different city
Have to agree with you, much like a hockey player, the SP's has a short career, so I would hope they are saving/planning for their future, but alas, most of them do adopt that lavish life style and/or dabble in drugs, either of which is not a good thing
I as well have known a few to fall into the lavish lifestyle . There is no way they can continue the way they live on a normal income . Money changes people and it always will. I feel for some of them.
From what I have learned by my experinces with sp's they all have very good plans just not many actually follow through. They have a great opportunity to get a headstart in life's financial battle they just have to learn to use it properly. Wish I had a 20 bones a month cash income when I started my business.
It takes character and determination to forego . . .
The foolish ones are the ones who earn the money and squander it as well without doing the extra work of making themselves better in the meantime by going to school/learning a trade etc. and preparing for the day when you can't work in this business anymore. . . They are the ones who are 'forced' (i.e have no choice but) to continue in the business well past their prime. . .
the "easy work" for "easy money" (I know I'm going to get flak for calling it easy work - but compared to a 9-5 job for a fraction of the pay - I'd call it easy). It takes a lot of character and determination to work towards preparing for a career outside the SP business (and I admire the ladies who I've seen accomplish this - there are a few but not too many). As mentioned by other posts here, the smart ones are the ones who have set their goals and are willing to work hard to reach them. This business is merely a step towards accomplishing that goal.
The foolish ones are the ones who earn the money and squander it as well without doing the extra work of making themselves better in the meantime by going to school/learning a trade etc. and preparing for the day when you can't work in this business anymore. . . They are the ones who are 'forced' (i.e have no choice but) to continue in the business well past their prime. . .
maybe i am wrong but who knows
maybe she found someone and decided that to retire and hide the sp part of her life from him instead of finding out one day and being shocked and leave her. i am not sure how other sp's feel about it but i always wondered how there bf agrees with it or not . or how hard is it to find a partner.
i could be wrong i am not trying to stur stuff but i mean i have a somewhat shady past and when my ex asks it always is hard to tell.
maybe she found someone and decided that to retire and hide the sp part of her life from him instead of finding out one day and being shocked and leave her. i am not sure how other sp's feel about it but i always wondered how there bf agrees with it or not . or how hard is it to find a partner.
i could be wrong i am not trying to stur stuff but i mean i have a somewhat shady past and when my ex asks it always is hard to tell.
Thats true its just as hard to open up to a civillian....
....girl and tell her "hey babe don't be upset but I paid hundreds of women to have sex with me for the past 15 years??" Ha ha how would she take it???IMO
Or the converse would be...
"Hey, prospective BF/SO, I su**ed and fu**ed hundreds of guys (before you came along) in the last (few) year(s), now you'll be my exclusive (?) guy - you better be a rich (and very liberal and open-minded) one to replace my monthly $20K to $30K tax free income to support the lifestyle I've become accustomed to or else there's the door. . ." How would the prospective hubby feel about that . . . ?
"Hey, prospective BF/SO, I su**ed and fu**ed hundreds of guys (before you came along) in the last (few) year(s), now you'll be my exclusive (?) guy - you better be a rich (and very liberal and open-minded) one to replace my monthly $20K to $30K tax free income to support the lifestyle I've become accustomed to or else there's the door. . ." How would the prospective hubby feel about that . . . ?
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Tax evasion is not illegal . . .
. . . some SP's would play the "Russian roulet" and try to hide that money by not depositing it into their bank accounts (i.e. no paper trail!!! and keeping the cash at home in a safe maybe?) thinking that they won't be audited in the future.
I think the CRA looks at the SP industry in similar fashion as the food service industry - they will assume a minimum level of "tips" for a period of time worked and calculate approximately how much income you made (based on averages - remember that huge database that they keep - they can cross-check income averages for ANY profession - even the oldest profession) - however, there's still a lot of leeway granted and I don't think any SP would declare all the income they made. This is because there really is no paper trail (unless the clients start asking for receipts and start issuing T4's after every session).
until the CRA comes knocking on the door to do the audit and catches the SP without the proper records to prove what they declared on their income tax formsWe WISH it was tax-free income. Most sp's pay tens of thousands every year just like the rest of you. That is unless they squander it, but from what I hear, revenue canada receives a list of all sp liscences. Who's to say they won't audit you......?? I know that thought makes me pay. Stupid Taxes !!!
. . . some SP's would play the "Russian roulet" and try to hide that money by not depositing it into their bank accounts (i.e. no paper trail!!! and keeping the cash at home in a safe maybe?) thinking that they won't be audited in the future. I think the CRA looks at the SP industry in similar fashion as the food service industry - they will assume a minimum level of "tips" for a period of time worked and calculate approximately how much income you made (based on averages - remember that huge database that they keep - they can cross-check income averages for ANY profession - even the oldest profession) - however, there's still a lot of leeway granted and I don't think any SP would declare all the income they made. This is because there really is no paper trail (unless the clients start asking for receipts and start issuing T4's after every session
).Really, how much do you think your average GOOD SP makes in a year.
Don't forget, she has to live.
The premis that this is easy money is LUDACRIS.
In any case there are plenty of very good SPs that present like they have a great plan, but many of those also have a few skellys in their closets just like the rest of us.
Just a quick math lesson.
Say a good SP sees 4 FS clients in a day and takes in the range of $175 per client from the session = $700 per day. even if you up this to $1,000 on the average "good day". Extrapolate that out over a realistic amount of working days in a year say $180,000. There are costs to being an SP, manicures, pedicures, waxing, makeup, hair, outfits, condoms, etc. etc. Most of the best girls aren't the lowest maintenance in the world. I say, at least $1,500 per month. So you are looking at $162,000 net. If said SP wants to own a house or ever have a mortgage she has to claim something, so she is probably paying tax on say $80,000 per year. No she has next cash of about $50,000 to live on, and then $80,000+ to invest. I don't think that having to have sex 720 times with 500+ different men with 500 different understandings of hygiene is easy money, or even close to being overpaid.
Yes we pay very good money for a session with an SP, but we aren't just buying their time, we are buying much much more.
Well said, TooMuchFun, and in case other guys here forget, he's talking about the Good SPs with a plan. Betcha there are way more SPs out there with mediocre money management skills.
People who are not used to having money but all of the sudden comes in contact with "easy" cash is very likely to blow it very quickly. This is often the case with lottery winners.
People who are not used to having money but all of the sudden comes in contact with "easy" cash is very likely to blow it very quickly. This is often the case with lottery winners.
I was talking about income (not expenses)
6-8 clients per day
4 days per week
$175 per client (after paying studio fees)
40 weeks per year (out of the 52 weeks - or about 2.5 months "vacation" per year)
Gross income: $168,000 (6 clients) to $224,000 (8 clients) per year - you can round this off to $200K/year
If she does double shifts during the week, say up to 6 shifts per week at 8 clients per shift, gross income would be $336,000 per year - you can round this off to $300K/year
Rounding off takes care of their "maintenance costs" of $1500/mo or $18000 per year.
Hence my range of $200K - $300K per year (before taxes). How much an SP declares and pay in taxes varies from one SP to another.
That's all I'm trying to show. Expenses will vary quite widely from one SP to another - depending on their lifestyle. ALso, only the very popular SP's can maintain that number of clients for any length of time - their "assets" are constantly depreciating over time.
My point about "easy" money (as I've said in my post) is to viewed compared to what the mainstream population has to do to earn this kind of money - only very skilled professionals can command this kind of an hourly rate (brain or heart surgeons, highly skilled defence lawyers or corporate CEO's). These professions require years of education and/or proven experience to justify these rates.
So, my premise is not LUDICROUS.
And a very good SP can see as many as 6 to 8 guys per session. If we use the following assumptions:
6-8 clients per day
4 days per week
$175 per client (after paying studio fees)
40 weeks per year (out of the 52 weeks - or about 2.5 months "vacation" per year)
Gross income: $168,000 (6 clients) to $224,000 (8 clients) per year - you can round this off to $200K/year
If she does double shifts during the week, say up to 6 shifts per week at 8 clients per shift, gross income would be $336,000 per year - you can round this off to $300K/year
Rounding off takes care of their "maintenance costs" of $1500/mo or $18000 per year.
Hence my range of $200K - $300K per year (before taxes). How much an SP declares and pay in taxes varies from one SP to another.
That's all I'm trying to show. Expenses will vary quite widely from one SP to another - depending on their lifestyle. ALso, only the very popular SP's can maintain that number of clients for any length of time - their "assets" are constantly depreciating over time.
My point about "easy" money (as I've said in my post) is to viewed compared to what the mainstream population has to do to earn this kind of money - only very skilled professionals can command this kind of an hourly rate (brain or heart surgeons, highly skilled defence lawyers or corporate CEO's). These professions require years of education and/or proven experience to justify these rates.
So, my premise is not LUDICROUS.
praxis, how do you figure that the good SP's such as Kendra, Gabrielle, Ashlee, Mischa, etc., see 6 to 8 clients a day. thats insane. that works out to minimum 1 client per hour. i don't think that even the best SP's see that many guys in a day. except for maybe the traveling ones like INDYSECRETS, etc. you are speculating that the above mentioned girls are going at it all day. they don't always have great days where they have 4 or 5 clients per day. they have slow days as well. they do like to have time between sessions to freshen up, and or just relax.
overestimated
And a very good SP can see as many as 6 to 8 guys per session. If we use the following assumptions:
In my work at some of the different studios, in conversation with the owners and girls, I have found that the best girls have a monthly average of 5-6 clients per shift... most are around 3.
And a very good SP can see as many as 6 to 8 guys per session. If we use the following assumptions:
In my work at some of the different studios, in conversation with the owners and girls, I have found that the best girls have a monthly average of 5-6 clients per shift... most are around 3.
I guess we can only speculate. . .
because most ot us will never see what their bank accounts (or wherever they hide the $$$) look like.
I was merely establishing a possible range (i.e high and low limits) of incomes for a very busy SP. . .and how tough it is to turn away from that money when an SP decides to leave the business.
because most ot us will never see what their bank accounts (or wherever they hide the $$$) look like.
I was merely establishing a possible range (i.e high and low limits) of incomes for a very busy SP. . .and how tough it is to turn away from that money when an SP decides to leave the business.
While this gets a little off topic. I found the following article quite interesting about Britney Spears' Financial situation: http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/02/people.spears.custody.ap/index.html
Key Points:
You would think maybe someone like her with such a large income would be able to obtain better financial advice. Conversely, getting back to the topic of how much SPs are making, while it is no doubt that they make way more than me, it does not mean that they will be able to retain earnings by the time they leave the business.
Praxis, you are right about the income part, it can be comparable to some of the top earnings of the traditional respected professionals. No question on that, it is just after expenditures, what an SP manages to invest/save is probably a small fraction of what they earn.
Also, after their retirement, their lack of legit employment history may hinder their careers as well.
Key Points:
- doesn't save or invest any of her roughly $737,000 monthly income
- Spears' monthly expenses include $49,267 in mortgage for two houses, $16,000 for clothes and $102,000 on entertainment, gifts and vacation
- spends about $4,758 per month dining out. Meanwhile, she spends zero on education, savings and investments
You would think maybe someone like her with such a large income would be able to obtain better financial advice. Conversely, getting back to the topic of how much SPs are making, while it is no doubt that they make way more than me, it does not mean that they will be able to retain earnings by the time they leave the business.
Praxis, you are right about the income part, it can be comparable to some of the top earnings of the traditional respected professionals. No question on that, it is just after expenditures, what an SP manages to invest/save is probably a small fraction of what they earn.
Also, after their retirement, their lack of legit employment history may hinder their careers as well.
Praxis, you continue to press your point about easy money. Think about what a SP does for a living. What are the odds that she is biting her lip and trying not to cry when she has to spend time with you.
Lots of girls work double shifts for a couple of weeks, and then then need time off.
How many of these girls see more than 3 or 4 clients on average over an extended period very few. KARMA might see 6 in a day, but she would only work 2 days a weeks.
This job takes a lot out of SP's both physically and mentally, they can't see the numbers that you keep thinking they could "possibly" or hypothetically see. Not for months and months at a time. If they see too many they stop being able to put into a session what makes them a top SP and they stop being a top SP. It is a tough balance for an SP.
I thought you had a better perspective praxis.
