I believe what you are describing is the pooner's action. Personally I have never heard of an SP dropping her pants to get blown by a girl in relative discretion, as you so eloquently put it.
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How Rude!
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Are you MENTAL???? It goes both ways.
I am in agreement with you...however there are two sides and this business IS NOT like any other business.
All appointments are TENTATIVE until confirmation. That is why it`s called a confirmation call. So no one is left hangin`.
I agree that you should be given some kind of compensation at least a phone call. The right way to do business with someone who was not available to answer your call to confirm is for the SP to call back. But unless the public knows who this SP is and to know whether or not she had other plans, the lynching is out of line. It doesn`t help anyone to get into a pissing match based on one person`s perspective of events on an unknown/unnamed SP. Though it is noted that you are trying to take the high road, it does little for the cause itself.
There is no reason for anyone to start up on this without a name and their reasons why they couldn`t honour the appointment. I`m surprised to see so many people adding unnecessary fuel to a fire. It is out of our hands.
How is the definition of "tentative" lost on you?
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=52201
Funny how the same people who posted in the linked thread have changed their tune on this one.
In this case the appointment wasn`t confirmed, the pooner feels jilted and posts waiting for an answer to which we all are waiting and yet you all condemn her. Dish on who the SP is and let them speak. For fucks sake, I`m on your side.
I am in agreement with you...however there are two sides and this business IS NOT like any other business.
All appointments are TENTATIVE until confirmation. That is why it`s called a confirmation call. So no one is left hangin`.
I agree that you should be given some kind of compensation at least a phone call. The right way to do business with someone who was not available to answer your call to confirm is for the SP to call back. But unless the public knows who this SP is and to know whether or not she had other plans, the lynching is out of line. It doesn`t help anyone to get into a pissing match based on one person`s perspective of events on an unknown/unnamed SP. Though it is noted that you are trying to take the high road, it does little for the cause itself.
There is no reason for anyone to start up on this without a name and their reasons why they couldn`t honour the appointment. I`m surprised to see so many people adding unnecessary fuel to a fire. It is out of our hands.
How is the definition of "tentative" lost on you?
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=52201
Funny how the same people who posted in the linked thread have changed their tune on this one.
In this case the appointment wasn`t confirmed, the pooner feels jilted and posts waiting for an answer to which we all are waiting and yet you all condemn her. Dish on who the SP is and let them speak. For fucks sake, I`m on your side.
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Hmmmmm I've wondered this. Since Us guys make the 1st move in terms of calling and setting up the appointment.
Once we've called or emailed....However it's done and we leave a call back number... I wonder how many SP's actually phone the guys to comfirm the appointment!??
Hmmmmmmm
Once we've called or emailed....However it's done and we leave a call back number... I wonder how many SP's actually phone the guys to comfirm the appointment!??
Hmmmmmmm
Convoluted Lady Marmalade, what an example of the pot calling the kettle black...
You could learn something from Lady Companion, Sexy Nina Leone and Beautiful Anna...
Keep up the good work ladies...
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No single business is like any other business. However, good businesspeople in service industries have this in common: they treat clients with courtesy. There's no reason why this business should be different in that respect.
Well, all of your appointments are tentative until confirmation. That is your policy, to which you are entitled. Not everybody feels the same way. If I choose to make an appointment in advance with a lady, I will make it with a person who considers the appointment to be an agreement to meet, at a certain time and place. I'll happily make a confirmation call, if she so requests, but the purpose of that call is to reassure her that I can and will keep the appointment, not to confirm whether or not we have an appointment.
Knowing your appointment policy, were I to decide I wanted to see you (and the thought is alluring), I wouldn't bother with a prior arrangement, since it would evidently be meaningless. I'd simply call an hour ahead of time and inquire whether you could and would see me on short notice.
I think the Past President of the United States fits that profession.
Well put my friend...
Everyone has there own set of rules...We should respect them all. I personally like Angel's post and I feel SPs should take that as an example of what pooners prefer. But I do respect CLM's rules as these rules make her feel comfortable regarding her schedule.
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Missing One, you hit the nail on the head my man. When I make a appointment a week in advance it is exactly that a appointment. It's not a arrangement for a phone call to see if I have a appointment an hour in advance. For me personally, I make a appointment I will be there early and ready, it's what I am all about. That's what's nice about visiting a nice hotel, there is always a bar where you can have a ice tea and hang out till your time.
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Missing One, you hit the nail on the head my man. When I make a appointment a week in advance it is exactly that a appointment. It's not a arrangement for a phone call to see if I have a appointment an hour in advance. For me personally, I make a appointment I will be there early and ready, it's what I am all about. That's what's nice about visiting a nice hotel, there is always a bar where you can have a ice tea and hang out till your time.
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read you own rant
i think the answer to what the problem really is is contained in your post:
"I find this to be very rude and somewhat confusing considerring she is so highly thought of."
i find that some, and i am saying only some, of the best reviewed ladies seem to take their popularity too seriously and forget that they became popular because of the service they previously gave. if you are not happy..guess what..there is someone else in line waiting to spend time with her.
we create our own monsters when we rave about certain ladies on here.
i think the answer to what the problem really is is contained in your post:
"I find this to be very rude and somewhat confusing considerring she is so highly thought of."
i find that some, and i am saying only some, of the best reviewed ladies seem to take their popularity too seriously and forget that they became popular because of the service they previously gave. if you are not happy..guess what..there is someone else in line waiting to spend time with her.
we create our own monsters when we rave about certain ladies on here.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. That's not what I'm debating. I'm merely pointing out that if a client cares to vent their frustrations to execute in a responsible manner without causing a cyber bonfire. As viewers and subsequent posters, we have the responsibility to weigh both sides before making judgements or playing the "holier than thou" card.
With a rash of recent rants regarding supposed missed appointments as viewers and posters, we owe each other, more importantly, ourselves to gather facts and make our opinions from the compilation of facts from all parties involved (SP and client). After having read a few of these rants there a few ways to satisfy everyone and help give the SP positive feedback to help them regain their business composure.
You all want this BS to end? Start posting some solutions. Here's one:
Assuming nothing serious has happened to the SP that prevents them from returning Pantsnakes messages, some communication to at least Pantsnake they are alive is certainly an order. Is that a satisfactory compromise?
Now, Pantsnake, what would resolve this issue in order to relieve your discontent? It is not unusual to have reputable SPs offer some form of compensation be it additional time, discounted session/service, etc. Here's the million dollar question: are you looking to rant about your frustations or are trying to expedite a solution from this SP? Assuming it's the latter you need to:
a) name the SP publically or through private mediums and state specifically what the SP if anything the SP can do to meet your satisfaction.
b) what resolution was requested and what was offered. From there you are required to post your decision.
On a general note I can imagine a SP wouldn't ever own up to this embarassment as you, Pantsnake, having described her as well-reviewed. A crucial point is, if and when a resolution has been decided and executed, Pantsnake, you should do a follow up post.
In fairness you have posted this for public viewing and left the SP with little recourse to defend herself having posters roughsod the SP based on your frustrations. The next public post in regards to this rant would/should be a public follow up. If you wanted to keep this confidential you wouldn't have posted. Finish what you started.
PERB is for the purpose to trade information. Just as you have read the reviews on this SP on PERB, posting what you have doesn't offer readers much information. All we know is you had a case of blue balls and full warm bottle of wine. Information to be traded should be tangible not emptyended.
Think of this as assisting the SPs client relations.
If you aren't offering solutions, you are part of the problem.
The part I underlined, it's a bit redundant, isnt' it? Besides, that is precisely what I adopt as exhibited in the following quote in this thread.MissingOne said:
Creole Lady Marmalade said:
First off, I haven't established, until recently, appointments to be made in advance. It's always been on short notice that I have clearly maintained for over 3 years. Quoted below of requests for appointments for a future date, a deposit.MissingOne said:
Creole Lady Marmalade said:
Convoluted, eh?hunsperger said:
Go nuts! Find a thread or post where I have stood a client up while following my booking guidelines. I double dog dare you...
Try contributing to PERB other than threads on missed appointments.
***Pantsnake, you seem like a cool guy and not a client with ulterior motives but often these public rants have serious consequences that leave SPs leaving disenchanted and ostracised. I know and have faith that you will look into your heart and do the right thing. We all want a happy ending.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Finally an intelligent response on this issue from someone who understands how the real world works.
Emergencies do happen to all of us but that excuse can only be stretched so far before it becomes complete BS. When the "emergencies" start becoming a weekly event there is something more going on.
Let me get this straight...if the client doesn't call to confirm the appointment he's an ass for not showing up but if the SP is suddenly "unavailable" to take the confirmation call and doesn't offer any explanation there is nothing wrong with that?
That's a very good point! One girl that I see regularly will actually call me to confirm if I don't confirm first. It's quite a refreshing change from the norm.
Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering if it was you...Just for the record- IT WASN'T ME THIS TIME
Sooo...
who is this mystery woman or is this just a rant. Last I checked this was a review board to share information.
I think that it is only prudent if you bring an issue to a public forum OBVIOUSLY to get public acknowledgement that the sp in question should be brought to task...the sp should respond accordingly (or not at all if they are of that mindset ) and a resolution one way or another should be told.
Rants are useful for the INDIVIDUAL to get out their frustration but useless for the "review board" community unless they are followed with who the sp is, what transpired and what the conclusion was.
If you had wanted to keep this an "a and b" conversation, you wouldn't have posted a public rant.
I think it was a week or so ago that there was about a three page manifesto about "HOW ABOUT SOME REVIEWS" meaning "come-on guys...let's share the wealth here".
Pantsnake, I am truly sorry that you had a crappy night. I think if she is reputable and you call her out she will respond as we have seen time and time again on perb etc. Just as you gained info on her from this board, it may be useful for other people to hear which sp you are speaking of.
As far as CLM, yeah she's my buddy. But guess what? She is a meticulous buisness person who takes great pride in never having a no-show. She books her clients carefully and there has never been a thread to prove otherwise. She takes interesting and provocative stances on the board but when it comes to buisness practises-she is strictly professional. Please show some respect for a lady who DOES NOT hide behind a NO REVIEW policy, has never had a negative review and has never had a no-show review. Ganging up on CLM is really getting old
I think she deserves more respect in this thread then is shown. Great that everyone loves Angels post and I think ideally it is terrific as well. I think though that CLM posted a very matter-of-fact-issue-at-hand post that can help resolve this particular issue.
I wish you luck pantsnake in recieving what you do deserve out of this if only a public apology.
who is this mystery woman or is this just a rant. Last I checked this was a review board to share information.
I think that it is only prudent if you bring an issue to a public forum OBVIOUSLY to get public acknowledgement that the sp in question should be brought to task...the sp should respond accordingly (or not at all if they are of that mindset
) and a resolution one way or another should be told.Rants are useful for the INDIVIDUAL to get out their frustration but useless for the "review board" community unless they are followed with who the sp is, what transpired and what the conclusion was.
If you had wanted to keep this an "a and b" conversation, you wouldn't have posted a public rant.
I think it was a week or so ago that there was about a three page manifesto about "HOW ABOUT SOME REVIEWS" meaning "come-on guys...let's share the wealth here".
Pantsnake, I am truly sorry that you had a crappy night. I think if she is reputable and you call her out she will respond as we have seen time and time again on perb etc. Just as you gained info on her from this board, it may be useful for other people to hear which sp you are speaking of.
As far as CLM, yeah she's my buddy. But guess what? She is a meticulous buisness person who takes great pride in never having a no-show. She books her clients carefully and there has never been a thread to prove otherwise. She takes interesting and provocative stances on the board but when it comes to buisness practises-she is strictly professional. Please show some respect for a lady who DOES NOT hide behind a NO REVIEW policy, has never had a negative review and has never had a no-show review. Ganging up on CLM is really getting old
I think she deserves more respect in this thread then is shown. Great that everyone loves Angels post and I think ideally it is terrific as well. I think though that CLM posted a very matter-of-fact-issue-at-hand post that can help resolve this particular issue.
I wish you luck pantsnake in recieving what you do deserve out of this if only a public apology.
I agree!who is this mystery woman or is this just a rant. Last I checked this was a review board to share information.
I think that it is only prudent if you bring an issue to a public forum OBVIOUSLY to get public acknowledgement that the sp in question should be brought to task...the sp should respond accordingly (or not at all if they are of that mindset
Rants are useful for the INDIVIDUAL to get out their frustration but useless for the "review board" community unless they are followed with who the sp is, what transpired and what the conclusion was.
If you had wanted to keep this an "a and b" conversation, you wouldn't have posted a public rant.
I think it was a week or so ago that there was about a three page manifesto about "HOW ABOUT SOME REVIEWS" meaning "come-on guys...let's share the wealth here".
Pantsnake, I am truly sorry that you had a crappy night. I think if she is reputable and you call her out she will respond as we have seen time and time again on perb etc. Just as you gained info on her from this board, it may be useful for other people to hear which sp you are speaking of.
As far as CLM, yeah she's my buddy. But guess what? She is a meticulous buisness person who takes great pride in never having a no-show. She books her clients carefully and there has never been a thread to prove otherwise. She takes interesting and provocative stances on the board but when it comes to buisness practises-she is strictly professional. Please show some respect for a lady who DOES NOT hide behind a NO REVIEW policy, has never had a negative review and has never had a no-show review. Ganging up on CLM is really getting old
I think she deserves more respect in this thread then is shown. Great that everyone loves Angels post and I think ideally it is terrific as well. I think though that CLM posted a very matter-of-fact-issue-at-hand post that can help resolve this particular issue.
I wish you luck pantsnake in recieving what you do deserve out of this if only a public apology.
That is why I posted my comments about CLM.
I understand her point of view and others as well. We also must acknowledge the fact the CLM might have controversal views but she is not hidin behind a username like the rest of us. I may not agree with her views sometimes but everyone is entitled to their own opinions and their own business practices.
Lets not argue anymore and just take a deep breathe and enjoy the fact that we can participate in this hobby with many of these gorgeous ladies.
I don't usually chime in on these drama threads but CLM I gotta admit
in your time as an SP kudos to you for your professionalism on how you
deal with your business.
That's what it's all about in this or any other industry.
Serving your customers to the best of your ability cuz bad news travels
fast and when it comes back at ya guess who's the loser?
Your customers will move on in most cases if the "flakiness" continues.
Even in the "underworld" of micros I've been very fortunate in getting
a call back that my SP of choice is either on TTOTM or some other
reason that they had to cancel an appointment.
Alright, being a gentleman doth have it's rewards even when being
turned away because of a problem.
Okay that's cool.......hey SHIT happens! That's what plan B or C or D
are for. Professionalism goes both ways ladies and gents.
Client and SP alike.........PERIOD!
Shocking really when you consider the fact that these places are not
much more than meat shops if you will.
Now that's professionalism in the service industry regardless of the
nature of what ever biz it is that we are dealing with.
And guess what? I'm still a customer of the "said establishment" because
of the way they TREAT their customer.
Like Don Cherry says..........."BEAUTY!!"
Also, happy endings are what we're all after in the end.
Right?
Your gentleman pooner.............QM'r
Actually, it's an intelligent resposnse from someone who wants to operate their business how they want. The still expect people to comply to their policy if they want to do business with them.
And where does it say that this SP was having a weekly crisis? Pantsnake didn't say it or even hinted at it. Stay on point, Valium you know better than to jump to conclusions like most have. Stick to facts and from both sides. Funny, I only see one. We're looking for a fair trial.Valium said:
Using me as an example.Valium said:Let me get this straight...if the client doesn't call to confirm the appointment he's an ass for not showing up but if the SP is suddenly "unavailable" to take the confirmation call and doesn't offer any explanation there is nothing wrong with that?
If I've had an established relationship with a client and he makes a request for an appointment for a future date, he still has to call to confirm at an specific time but his advantage is that he knows where I conduct business. If he shows up at my place after leaving a voicemail message and not speaking to me personally, it's not a confirmed appointment. The swollen painful eye thing was an example of where a client showed up and buzzed after feeling that calling and leaving a voicemail message was confirmation enough. There is no status check. There wasn't me saying "I'm running late..." or "Operation Shoot My Goo is a go.".
If the client was someone I've never entertained before then the answer is a no brainer as there isn not enough information for him to go anywhere (no address) though that itself is not foolproof as I've demonstrated in the link I've provided as well as another occasion. Both those cases the clients took it upon themselves to make their way to the general vicinity after I specifically asked for them to call to confirm. One client thought that after the request was made through PM that is was as good as confirmed but I don't book appointments via PM and I certainly don't confirm by email/PM/instant message.
The confirmation call is where you would get the address or other pertinent details.
Since I've always returned messages where I could comprehend what was said, I don't have an issue with giving an explanation. In fact, I gave an explanation this morning for not following through with a booking as I had a horrendous head cold but that's just me. Not everybody observes that and I technically don't have to but I still do and I feel better about it because I would like for them to consider me for a future date or time where our schedules will/can accodomate.
Pantsnake's incognito SP has not had the opportunity to give an explanation if she isn't in serious trouble but at the same time it's pretty emabarassing to own up to a non-appointment after people have condemned her for a missed appointment after hearing only one side.
You are very lucky but you have to empathize and understand that a majority of a SP's clients are half of a couple and require discretion. Calling up without being asked is simply out of the question.Valium said:
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I believe in upholding equality and justice.
I am truly amazed that a few SPs have taken the position they have but it only shows that they have more time on their hands than what many other SPs are afforded to be able to wait for someone to call to confirm.
One SPs booking policy is not a model that all SPs can use. Not many SPs can freely advertise with their face in plain view and have the loving support from friends and family. Society hasn't made this industry a widely accepted one so what you are capable of doing can't be applied to those that don't have that advantage.
I want to thank everyone who have supported me on this thread NOT because I feel I'm right because this isn't a case of one SPs policy being right or better than another SP, but rather it gave me an opportunity to exercise and remind ourselves what we, in a relatively civilized society, have taken for granted noted below:
Be well informed before casting judgment. Don't sentence a person without giving them a chance to defend themselves. Hear both sides and then make your opinion...the well informed opinion. The right, responsible opinion.
God, help us all.*shakes head*
I am truly amazed that a few SPs have taken the position they have but it only shows that they have more time on their hands than what many other SPs are afforded to be able to wait for someone to call to confirm.
One SPs booking policy is not a model that all SPs can use. Not many SPs can freely advertise with their face in plain view and have the loving support from friends and family. Society hasn't made this industry a widely accepted one so what you are capable of doing can't be applied to those that don't have that advantage.
I want to thank everyone who have supported me on this thread NOT because I feel I'm right because this isn't a case of one SPs policy being right or better than another SP, but rather it gave me an opportunity to exercise and remind ourselves what we, in a relatively civilized society, have taken for granted noted below:
Be well informed before casting judgment. Don't sentence a person without giving them a chance to defend themselves. Hear both sides and then make your opinion...the well informed opinion. The right, responsible opinion.
God, help us all.*shakes head*
Now she is talking to God...
Have you ever considered having your megalomania looked into...
Looking forward to your BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH response...
Yeah, Joan of Arc thought that God was speaking to her when she led an army. Though I make plenty of relgious references, I'm actually an atheist.
Megalomania (from the Greek word μεγαλομανία) is a psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence - often generally termed as delusions of grandeur. The word is a collaboration of the word "mania" meaning madness and the Greek "megalo" meaning an obsession with grandiosity and extravagance, a common symptom of megalomania. It is sometimes symptomatic of manic or paranoid disorders. Examples, Adolf Hitler or Billy Corgan of the music group Smashing Pumpkins according to bandmates.
I don't see wealth, power and omnipotence in what I've done but perhaps it can be looked upon as idealistic.
I've looked to push that everyone receive a fair trial. A civil liberty and fundamental right that has been neglected here.
Ignorance is the most violent element in society. Ignorance cripples us. Knowledge is power.
Keep up the useful contributions, Hunsperger.
To recap what has been said already about the subject of this thread from another quote:
Creole Lady Marmalade said:
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Are people forgetting that the service provided by the ladies is not in the public domain ? There is no entitlement to access to any of the providers out there. Each one is an independant business, with operating policies that they feel comfortable with and that work for them. You can't go to Gotham, and expect McDonald's service, while still maintaining Gotham quality. While, time management probably plays a big factor in each providers policies, I'm willing to bet safety also plays a big role. As a client nobody is forcing you to see a provider who's policies you don't like. If you want to see a Tianna, CLM, or Avarice or whoever, you pay the price and abide by their policies. If you don't like either, then walk into any MP and get done right away. You might not be as happy with what you get, but the end result will be the same.
one in every crowd. I can see all kinds of useful information and dialoge coming out of this one.
Are people forgetting that the service provided by the ladies is not in the public domain ? There is no entitlement to access to any of the providers out there. Each one is an independant business, with operating policies that they feel comfortable with and that work for them. You can't go to Gotham, and expect McDonald's service, while still maintaining Gotham quality. While, time management probably plays a big factor in each providers policies, I'm willing to bet safety also plays a big role. As a client nobody is forcing you to see a provider who's policies you don't like. If you want to see a Tianna, CLM, or Avarice or whoever, you pay the price and abide by their policies. If you don't like either, then walk into any MP and get done right away. You might not be as happy with what you get, but the end result will be the same.
