POLL Worst war criminal in history

[Fudd]

I just attended a meeting this afternoon with my civil activist group. Afterwards during an informal get together we all started talking about the worst war criminals in history and we had a little poll the top war criminals were in this order.

1. George Bush for his invasion of Iraq (5 votes)
2. Stephen Harper for the occupation of Afganistan (2 votes)
3. Harry S. Truman for the bombing of Hiroshima (1 vote)
4. Hilter for WWII (1 vote)
5. Europeans for the distruction of the First Nations People (1 vote)

I'm just curious, who would you people pick as the worst war criminal.

 

[S.G. Gibson]

Not that I'm a big fan of Stephen Harper, but if he got any votes from your "civil activist group", I'd say that group is totally fucked.

 

[schizo_man]

mighty selective list, seeing as you had the entire history of the world to consider.... what about Attila the Hun, King Harod, King John (the crusades) Stalin, Pol Pot, My god the list could go on. But it is easier to pick the current events. As pointless as the war in Iraq is, it's hardly the worst invasion in history.

 

[aznboi9]

Not that I'm a big fan of Stephen Harper, but if he got any votes from your "civil activist group", I'd say that group is totally fucked.

No doubt. How the hell does Harper make the list? By what definition of "war criminal" is your group going on?

 

[Fudd]

We just said who in your opinion is the worst war criminal? Each person named a war criminal and that's what the results ended up as.

 

[schizo_man]

sounds like your civil activist group needs to get a little bit more informed

 

[wolverine]

mighty selective list, seeing as you had the entire history of the world to consider.... what about Attila the Hun, King Harod, King John (the crusades) Stalin, Pol Pot, My god the list could go on. But it is easier to pick the current events. As pointless as the war in Iraq is, it's hardly the worst invasion in history.

Obviously no Communist dictator ever committed genocide, only right-wing leaders.

 

[Buntoss]

You got to be kidding me??? What have you and your "civil" activist group been smoking?

Stephen Harper for the invasion of Afganistan??? What were you smoking?

How adding the rest of the real axis of evil from World War 2, like the Imperial Japanese governement who killed over 30 million Asians during the war?

Stalin probably killed more of his own people than Hitler did.

How about the good guys like Churchill? The RAF killed more civillians people in Dresden in one night than died at Hiroshima using regular conventional bombs. During the war, over 2 million plain old German civillans died.

If you go back in time, look at any military conqurer, like Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar and so forth and you can label any of these as "war criminals".

 

[Bartdude]

I hate Stephen Harper, but putting him ahead of Hitler?

And putting Truman before Hitler? Excuse me?

What are you guys, fucking idiots or something?

Incidentally - Buntoss: evidence now suggests that Stalin did indeed kill 5-6 times as many people as Hitler did, via the purges and his forced collectivization of agriculture.

 

[Ray]

It was the Liberal government that sent Canadian troops to Afghanistan, not Harper.

Saddam was far more savage than most on that list.

Hitler, Stalin, and Mao would top my list of recent thugs.

 

[Lurker 123]

You got to be kidding me??? What have you and your "civil" activist group been smoking?

How adding the rest of the real axis of evil from World War 2, like the Imperial Japanese governement who killed over 30 million Asians during the war?

Stalin probably killed more of his own people than Hitler did.

How about the good guys like Churchill? The RAF killed more civillians people in Dresden in one night than died at Hiroshima using regular conventional bombs. During the war, over 2 million plain old German civillans died.

That is a very valid point. Those events never publicized as much as Hitler massacred 6 million Jewish people!

In the case of Japan,you could not pin point who was the head of the war crime gang.As a result no one could find the scape goat!

Just one incident in Nanking China during the 2nd World War, the Nanking Massacre,Japanese army killed more than 100,000 men ,women and children within two days!

 

[Jodie]

I just attended a meeting this afternoon with my civil activist group. Afterwards during an informal get together we all started talking about the worst war criminals in history and we had a little poll the top war criminals were in this order.

1. George Bush for his invasion of Iraq (5 votes)
2. Stephen Harper for the occupation of Afganistan (2 votes)
3. Harry S. Truman for the bombing of Hiroshima (1 vote)
4. Hilter for WWII (1 vote)
5. Europeans for the distruction of the First Nations People (1 vote)

I'm just curious, who would you people pick as the worst war criminal.

First of all, what is your group's definition of a war criminal? As far as I have always understood, a war criminal is a person who violates the international laws of armed conflict.

By that definition, the Europeans - while clearly in the wrong for the transgressions they committed against the First Nations - were definitely not war criminals.

I will admit that one could consider Bush to be a war criminal, but what he's done in Iraq doesn't even begin to compare to Hitler's genocide. Hitler, by his own admission, was trying to purge an entire race of people from the world. 6 million Jews killed, plus countless gays, Gypsies, blacks, etc.

Also, if your group considers Stephen Harper to be a war criminal, they should probably check their facts - perhaps read a newspaper or two. First of all, as has already been pointed out, it was in fact the Liberal government that sent Canadian troops to Afghanistan; Harper merely extended the commitment to 2009. Secondly, I would hardly consider the mission to be an "occupation of Afghanistan." Do you even know what the troops are doing over there and how many positive changes have come about over the past five years? New roads, new schools, girls getting an education, women being treated like human beings, reduced Taliban presence and influence in the north. Canada is trying to help Afghanistan, not to "occupy" it. And again, I'd be curious to know what international laws of armed conflict your group thinks Harper has violated?

 

[georgebushmoron]

Just one incident in Nanking China during the 2nd World War, the Nanking Massacre,Japanese army killed more than 100,000 men ,women and children within two days!

I'll just add that they did it as a killing spree, and purposely did not use bullets for 2 reasons: 1) they were conserving them for war with the allies, 2) bayonet and decapitation practice. So I'll recap: 100,000 men and women bayonetted and decapitated in 2 days. Hell, they didn't carry swords into battle for nothing. They were especially cruel to the women, many of whom were bayonetted in the vagina before getting it in the abdomen or decapitated.

 

[Rod Steel]

evidence now suggests that Stalin did indeed kill 5-6 times as many people as Hitler did, via the purges and his forced collectivization of agriculture.

Agreed:

I voted OTHER, you left off Joe Stalin.

 

[schizo_man]

I'll just add that they did it as a killing spree, and purposely did not use bullets for 2 reasons: 1) they were conserving them for war with the allies, 2) bayonet and decapitation practice. So I'll recap: 100,000 men and women bayonetted and decapitated in 2 days. Hell, they didn't carry swords into battle for nothing. They were especially cruel to the women, many of whom were bayonetted in the vagina before getting it in the abdomen or decapitated.

and also another atrocity to remember is the Japanese invasion of the Phillipines. I dated a gal who's grandmother hid in a pile of bodies to escape certain death. There are stories of the japanese soldiers tossing babies in the air and catching them on bayonets. No, Bush and Harper (why the fuck he's on the list I'll never know) pale in comparison.

 

[mick_eight]

The americans in the phllipines during the Spanish- american war were ordered to kill everyone over 10 years old. Some army members cried as they were '' just following orders '' Stephen Harper, please, he is not even on the also ran.

 

[schizo_man]

The americans in the phllipines during the Spanish- american war were ordered to kill everyone over 10 years old. Some army members cried as they were '' just following orders '' Stephen Harper, please, he is not even on the also ran.

can you site a reference to that re. the americans? I can only find that both the spanish and americans accused each other of those atrocities with their wartime propraganda.

 

[kalel]

this is a fucked up poll, i think everybody's eluded to that. you look at wars from 200 to 2000 years ago and everything nowadays pales in comparison. just think back in time to any war that was fought over territory, religion, or greed, there was probably more killing of innocent people back then.

 

[uncleg]

Hitler, by his own admission, was trying to purge an entire race of people from the world. 6 million Jews killed, plus countless gays, Gypsies, blacks, etc.



Which race of people was Hitler trying to purge? He was trying to purge the human race of Jews, but that is a religion, not a race. Plus, do you think Hitler would have been considered a war criminal if the Germans had won the war ? Pretty well every country or nation that has ever gone to war has commited "war crimes", whether they are seen as that seems to be determined as to whether or not you win the war and how good you are at cover-up.

 

[schizo_man]

Hitler, by his own admission, was trying to purge an entire race of people from the world. 6 million Jews killed, plus countless gays, Gypsies, blacks, etc.



Which race of people was Hitler trying to purge? He was trying to purge the human race of Jews, but that is a religion, not a race. Plus, do you think Hitler would have been considered a war criminal if the Germans had won the war ? Pretty well every country or nation that has ever gone to war has commited "war crimes", whether they are seen as that seems to be determined as to whether or not you win the war and how good you are at cover-up.

correction, being Jewish is both a religion and a race.

from wikipedia:
A Jew (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים, Yehudim; Ladino: ג׳ודיוס, Djudios; Yiddish: ייִדן, Yidn)[1] is a member of the Jewish people who are an ethnic group originating in the Israelites of the ancient Middle East. The Jewish people or the Jewish nation also consists of others who converted to Judaism throughout the millennia. The ethnicity and the religion of Judaism are strongly interrelated, and converts are both included and have been
absorbed within the Jewish people.

judaism is the religion. you can convert to Judaism, but you cannot become a Jew.