During an interview for my first full-time job after graduating from university.
Ever had an erection at a swimming pool?; a bulge forms in your swimming trunks?
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I was down at wreck a few years ago with a girlfriend. We were topless, not fully naked, and sitting off to the side to avoid creepy guys.
We were chatting and looked up and not 6feet from us was a naked, obscenely well hung hot hard bodied youngish (25-35) guy doing naked yoga right in front of us.
Because of some of his tattoos (not mentioning any thing identifiable) we came to the conclusion that he was gay and therefore probably oblivious to us, so we just sat back and watched so hot naked yoga on the beach.
So hot. And we learned some new yoga poses:
5 legged downward facing dog
tree with 3 roots
archer with soft arrow
**Edit: Oh and I don't really think that pointing out someone's race makes them a racist. If he was saying something derogatory about that race and not just pointing out that creepy dude was Chinese, that would have been racist. Just my $0.02
We were chatting and looked up and not 6feet from us was a naked, obscenely well hung hot hard bodied youngish (25-35) guy doing naked yoga right in front of us.
Because of some of his tattoos (not mentioning any thing identifiable) we came to the conclusion that he was gay and therefore probably oblivious to us, so we just sat back and watched so hot naked yoga on the beach.
So hot. And we learned some new yoga poses:
5 legged downward facing dog
tree with 3 roots
archer with soft arrow
**Edit: Oh and I don't really think that pointing out someone's race makes them a racist. If he was saying something derogatory about that race and not just pointing out that creepy dude was Chinese, that would have been racist. Just my $0.02
Pointing out someone's race, in itself, is not racist of course. But when race itself has nothing to do with being creepy, what is the purpose of publicly noting the race of a person? It's like saying "I was at a restaurant and some white guy had bad table manners". This would imply that either 1) all white guys have exceptionally bad table manners, or 2) most white guys have superior table manners but this one white guy was a notable exception. In either case, bad or good table manners has nothing to do with race, but in both cases, I make allusions to some sort of trend between white guys and table manners (when of course, no such correlation exists). The point is, race has no bearing either positive or negative, on table manners or being creepy; and any bearing whatsoever is an attempt to characterize race with a trait that has nothing to do with it.
If you're still unconvinced, try it with the statement, "those jeans wouldn't fit over that black girl's butt".
well, by that logic, removing the race and saying "I was at a restaurant and some guy had bad table manners". would now make the statement sexist, as the person's sex has nothing to do with manners.
Perhaps include sex, ethnic background, height, hair colour, whatever is simply being descriptive?
Walter
Perhaps include sex, ethnic background, height, hair colour, whatever is simply being descriptive?
Walter
It depends of course.... was said black girl holding those jeans in her hand on the way to try them on, along with a bunch of other girls of various colours trying on jeans, while shopping together? Or was the asker just randomly pointing a pair of small jeans and randomly selecting a black girl with a bountiful behind, saying "these little jeans won't fit over that girl's, who incidentally is black, ass."
I'm joshing a bit with the above. I get what you mean. And I think you get what I mean.
I just get a bit tired of the label racist being hurled around in the same fashion that really derogatory racist comments are sometimes hurled. Very often it seems that "racist" equals "white", when as many should know by now that racists exist in every ethnic groups. Some of the most racist people I have ever met where not white, but were racist towards white people. Is that more allowable because of the historical racism of white people?I don't think so.
Pointing out a fact does not make it racist. Would it be more palatable to have not included the offender's race? Sure. Does it make him racist that he did? I don't think so.
I just think it's interesting that the race was added as the only other descriptor other than "creepy" and "guy."
I believe that if the person had been white, race wouldn't have been brought into the description.
Pointing out someone's race when it is completely irrelevant to the situation can be racist, and is racist in this situation.
There are cases where pointing out someone's race isn't racist, because it is simply a means of identifying them based on physical appearance. For example, if I said, "wow, that girl has a great smile!" and the person said, "which girl? There's about 5 girls in that direction!" and then I could say "The asian girl" or "The white girl" or whatever.
When it's not relevant to the situation, as in this case, you are implying that his being chinese (he may not have been, you know) was related to his being creepy. From your responses, I understand that this is not what you meant, and that you did not have this intention. However, speaking in this way encourages racism and racial stereotyping (whether you meant to or not), and I think it's something you ought to consider in the future.
I believe that if the person had been white, race wouldn't have been brought into the description.
Pointing out someone's race when it is completely irrelevant to the situation can be racist, and is racist in this situation.
There are cases where pointing out someone's race isn't racist, because it is simply a means of identifying them based on physical appearance. For example, if I said, "wow, that girl has a great smile!" and the person said, "which girl? There's about 5 girls in that direction!" and then I could say "The asian girl" or "The white girl" or whatever.
When it's not relevant to the situation, as in this case, you are implying that his being chinese (he may not have been, you know) was related to his being creepy. From your responses, I understand that this is not what you meant, and that you did not have this intention. However, speaking in this way encourages racism and racial stereotyping (whether you meant to or not), and I think it's something you ought to consider in the future.
I do get what you mean, you make it very clear. And certainly the way you've described it, you're so right it's irrefutable. I would certainly come to the same conclusion as you, as would any reasonable person.It depends of course.... was said black girl holding those jeans in her hand on the way to try them on, along with a bunch of other girls of various colours trying on jeans, while shopping together? Or was the asker just randomly pointing a pair of small jeans and randomly selecting a black girl with a bountiful behind, saying "these little jeans won't fit over that girl's, who incidentally is black, ass."
I'm joshing a bit with the above. I get what you mean. And I think you get what I mean.
It is tiring to hear the demonized label trotted out at the slightest hint of color being mentioned. However, I don't agree that the mention of "racist" automatically means that someone is thinking "white". I think that it feels that way simply because only whites are made to feel guilty for being racist, which is very wrong. So when you said "more allowable", I find it quite poignant, in the sense that we do tolerate racism from non-whites but absolute do not tolerate racism from whites. It begs to be asked, why is that?
The question in my mind is not whether what was said was "racist" as such, but that I believe we have become overtly blunt in our sensitivity to what intolerance is about. Indiscretionary statements using a person's color, when unwarranted in the situation, is not in itself racist, but shows a lack of basic understanding that people's identity is not classed by color, but by other more meaningful measure. It harkens to a time in the late 19th century when one would identify a stranger often by their standing in a social class system or wealth. It is reductionist to the individual and stereotypes groups of people. In the modern age, where we have strived for a more egalitarian views of our fellow human beings, it is inappropriate and destructive.
That's a little extreme, calling someone a racist just because they described a guy by the words chinese.
Apparently the word "Chinese" has become a derogatory racist slur.
Probably happened right after they decided that the term "Visible Minority" was a derogatory racist slur.
Why didn't I get that memo?
Of course it hasn't, but what made you so sure that he is Chinese? Do you speak Cantonese, Mandarin or another Chinese dialect, did he? Did you check his birth certificate? Could he have been Vietnamese, Japanese, Korean, Malaysian, Mongolian, Indonesian, Philippino, Thai, Cambodian, or even a native? Why didn't you just say Asian, why so specific?
If you have some irrefutable proof that the guy is indeed Chinese, I offer my apologies. If not, try getting your facts straight next time.
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a packed skytrain, there was a man standing behind me... the more people packed in, the more he pressed himself against me
I read a story about a gal on a New York subway train that was so packed some guy came on the back of her coat. Apparently its not that uncommon. The practioners are known as jeancreamers.
I read a story about a gal on a New York subway train that was so packed some guy came on the back of her coat. Apparently its not that uncommon. The practioners are known as jeancreamers.
HAHAHAHA! jeancreamers! sung to the tune of "The Jean Genie" from David Bowie!
Jean Genie, let yourself go!
HAHAHA
I understand what your saying. Just the other day I guy called me a Canadian but I was born in the US. Man was I pissed, that guy is really racist.
Spoken like an American, brother! But were you a Canadian misidentified for an American, you probably would be a little defensive.I understand what your saying. Just the other day I guy called me a Canadian but I was born in the US. Man was I pissed, that guy is really racist.
"Canadian" isn't a race. It's a nationality. You are Canadian if you have Canadian citizenship.I understand what your saying. Just the other day I guy called me a Canadian but I was born in the US. Man was I pissed, that guy is really racist.
Ok, do you seriously think that I can't tell a native from a chinese person?
I know that he was reading a chinese newspaper, does that help? Somehow I doubt it.
I know some chinese people who get seriously offended at being called 'asian' or 'oriental'.
I'm still curious why calling a chinese guy chinese is a 'racist' thing to do.
Or is it like the whole 'african american' thing where they are going to start changing what they want to be called every week so that anyone who doesn't keep up is automatically a racist?
It's not, if there's a reason to identify race. But not only was there no such reason, it was put in the phrase "creepy chinese guy". Whether he was Chinese or native or a Jew or gay, creepy had nothing to do with it. Yet somehow creepy is being coupled with being Chinese, as in either 1) he was exceptionally creepy for being Chinese, or 2) he's creepy like all Chinese. Both ways are stereotyping in the positive or negative, where in fact neither adds to the discussion of being creeped out by a person on the beach. Only if you were a cop would it be excusable for they have reason to profile based on race (or frankly anything else). It's not outright racist for you to point it out, but your insensitivity lends itself to intolerance.
