Peter..................

[looking4alady]

So my question is (for the masses)....

After reading all of this hype about Peter......

If "Peter" has such a bad reputation, how does he find girls to work for him?

Don't these girls do their "due diligence" to see what they are getting themsevles into?

I was thinking that if a girl were looking to get into this industry, they would check out a few different MP's to see how they run, meet the management, etc., and see what their "gut" feeling is. Maybe send a guy friend into the place to have a session with a girl and get the lowdown on how he is to work for. See if you can do any research on the internet (eg., PERB).

I am in no way supporting Peter (I've never met or seen him), but if he is so bad to work for, the girls themselves must take some responsibility for putting themselves into that situation in the first place.

You can place drugs in front of someone and if they choose to use them, that's their decision...if they decide not to, they also are able to make that choice.

If he's so bad to work for, why aren't all of these girls leaving his establishments and going to work elsewhere? Are they being physically restrained their against their own free will ?

I'm sure that some of these girls might have "friends" who could take care of Peter if he was as bad as everyones saying..........

My two bits....

 

[threepeat]

I've heard it said that Peter gets girls who are younger, new to the biz, and don't really have the same business or world-savvy as the more mature SPs, and so are easier to take advantage of because they don't know any better. The fact that Peter's places seem to always have new girls and rarely recycled ones like the other studios would seem to support this.

That being said, I agree with much of what you're saying. If MP owners don't have to follow the same rules as a square job (ie., can fire or fine girls without notice or due process), why doesn't it work both ways? Can't a girl leave whenever she wants? I would think the rules work both ways, unless the girl is somehow being blackmailed or otherwise forced. And if that's the case, Peter probably would have been dealt with by now, one way or another. I guess to some extent it boils down to much you think a person has free will vs. how much they are a victim of circumstance.

I also think that for better or worse, men who own MPs have a shorter leash than women owners. Hands up, what's the first think you think about when the term "male MP owner" comes up? That he's sleeping with the girls? That's what I think too. And it may be true, but that also means that we ('we' being PERB community) are not exactly an unbiased jury from the get-go. And hands up too if you don't think there are some girls (not all, but some) who wouldn't give a male MP owner a roll in the hay if it meant getting out of a fine or getting a good shift? So the girls themselves may not necessarily be completely innocent in this.

Also, I know of at least two SPs who define "rape" as a client who leaves without paying. As bad as that is and as bad as it makes her feel, it's not correct. Rape as defined in the dictionary requires force or the threat of force. So, unless anyone knows for sure that a "client" forced himself onto one of Peter's girls, then I would be inclined to take that statement with a grain of salt too.

I also think boycotting a studio hurts the girls first and the owner last, much like when the U.S. or U.N. puts trade embargos on a country they don't like. Do you think Fidel Castro is starving? Or Saddam Hussein was starving before the U.S. invaded? No, they just keep more for themselves. The people get hurt first and, following this analogy, the SPs would hurt long before Peter would. Plus don't forget he's got three studios.

Just my thoughts... For the record, I've never been to Peter's places because the don't have a web site and so they've never been on my radar screen. I'm not saying I wouldn't boycott one of his places, but I would need more evidence before it became a matter of principle.

 

[longdong2005]

The same way a pimp gets girls to work the street for him. Do's that answer your question Alyson

 

[Mick Shagher]

Closer To The Truth Than You Know.

And hands up too if you don't think there are some girls (not all, but some) who wouldn't give a male MP owner a roll in the hay if it meant getting out of a fine or getting a good shift? So the girls themselves may not necessarily be completely innocent in this.

Very intuitive of you threepeat.

 

[Mick Shagher]

Also, I know of at least two SPs who define "rape" as a client who leaves without paying. As bad as that is and as bad as it makes her feel, it's not correct. Rape as defined in the dictionary requires force or the threat of force. So, unless anyone knows for sure that a "client" forced himself onto one of Peter's girls, then I would be inclined to take that statement with a grain of salt too.

I totally agree. "Rape " is a very serious accusation. Chances are we will never know the complete facts of what happened that day at Peter's. I'm sure if it was as serious as first reported, Peter's other girls would have walked out by now or at least thought about it.

 

[Mick Shagher]

he asked me to get naked to see if I had any track marks . I was like ok.. you got to be jokin. I of course didnt get naked and he didnt hire me. So yea my first impression with him is CREEPY that i felt uneasy and insecure in his presence.

At least you didn't have one of Peter's buddies take you for a test drive before he hired you, like he's done to so many other girls in the past.

On the bright side, Peter's new girls only have to do that once. With scumbag Visch there is a monthly evaluation. At least that's what he calls it.

 

[VikingBoy]

Uggghhh, that is just *bleeping* creepy.

 

[sexylittlevixen]

Let me clear up a few things. I have never signed up to this site until just a few days ago. and I have read quite a few posts since i signed up. First off one of the reasons girls stay is because of comfort levels. He has a knack of twisting everything around. You can ask any girl who works there or has worked there. I quit and after sat back and thought why did I even bother? Yes he gets them in the door by using new girls who have no idea how the business goes. they have no idea that there are greener grasses that can be just as prosperous. He tends to say things like "all these girls come crawling back because they know I'm the best in the business and everyone knows that. He likes to instill fear by saying that the girls leave and never make the kind of money anywhere else but his. After being brainwashed into believing that shit of course so many stay. Everyone has fears and he knows how to prey on them and more so for the girls that get hooked on the money.

He lacks respect for the clients and the girls who are working for him by either calling you the clients "stupid" or "motherfuckers" behind their backs and smiles like velvet when you are in his face. He offers girls to sleep with him instead of paying off fines. His places are perpetually dirty no matter how hard the girls try to clean. When they have issues such as unforseen events like deaths in a family, need time off for abortion, kids are sick he still fines them for the days off.

He tends to have such a high turn over because he gets you in the door and tells you anything to keep you there but then is degrading later. By then you either say fuck you and walk or you take it because you know he is an idiot and you have already let it go in one ear and out the other. Yes it is nice to work alone and have no competition, and there are a few other perks to being at his MP's. However, not enough to be treated like shit. He calls us as Canadians stupid and calls us down because we insist on days off. He thinks that we are lazy humans and if we lived in his country this would not be how it is. Yes a rape occured there. A rape meaning when a person says no is no and someone still takes, then it is consistant with the term rape. I will vouch that it happened. Peter will deny it but of course he would, come on now. Do you think he is going to jump up and say that? The girls have had the studios broken into while there were session including me. We have had to worry about who is there and not there when we are alone.

As far as hurting the girls, yes in the short term it would but when they were broke enough in their own eyes they would find other studios. And because of this site you would all find out. Mick and Trawler would be sure to pass the studio of where your fav's are. As far as for him, why would you want to support someone who has contempt for all of us and blatent disrespect.

I have left. I said the same thing Brandie said after being there and finally having enough courage to leave, why didn't I leave sooner?. what was I so afraid of? Hindsight has 20/20 vision and if I had to do it all over again, I would of never stayed. Do what you will and feel what you feel but remember everyone that leaves there all same the same. I can count his good points on one hand, i need a spreadsheet for his bad points.

 

[looking4alady]

Just to add.........

We all are responsible for our own destinies........from who we live with, work for and what we do in life......

I read Sexylittlevixens post and was very impressed.....she got out when she realized it wasn't her "cup of tea" anymore....

I've left jobs when I wasn't being challenged, or the people I were working with were a$*holes, or were demeaning to me. I agree with Vixen that it takes the courage to leave..(you keep hearing the same BS everyday), but eventually fate works for you (and not against you), and you are able to leave and not look back.....

My two bits.....

 

[Mick Shagher]

Mick and Trawler would be sure to pass the studio of where your fav's are.

Believe me when I say that I have tried in the past to get some some of his girls to move to a better studio and working conditions but usually to no avail. On several occasions I've even lined up a guarenteed spot for them with some of the top studios in town, but after continually talking to a wall, I gave up.
Peter seems to have a knack for convincing his SPs that they will not make as much money anywhere else and that the working conditions at other MPs are a lot worse, which we all know is bogus. Just ask Brandie. According to her, she is just as busy at WRO, and after not having to pay all of Peter's BS fines, she is actually clearing more money, plus getting several days off a week to rest her coochie.

Everything Sexylittlevixen said is dead on. Much of what she mentioned, I've had Peter say to me personally as well. He actually thinks he is the King of MPs. He disrespects his girls and apparently us customers as well. He loves our money though, doesn't he?

Unfortunatly he preys on newbies who are naive and don't know any better. He is very good at shielding them from reality and actually makes up stories of what will happen to them at other MPs.

His only good quality is over the years he's had a knack for finding some real gems in the buisness. Fortunately the good ones like Brandie, Gigi, Angie, Sama, etc, reach a breaking point and move on.
It's too bad more newbies don't do a little more research like Alysson did.

 

[Mick Shagher]

I can count his good points on one hand, i need a spreadsheet for his bad points.

Actually, I can count his good points on one finger. My middle one!!!!

 

[Mick Shagher]

If the city or Police were aware of this Peter would go spend some time in jail. The city would also remove his license.

We need to let them know that the time to get the hell out of town was yesterday, today is already been too long.

Fiddy, don't you think Nick from bylaw and LE read this board? Anybody who believes otherwise is naive.

They know all about Peter and he's been in hot water with them before, but they continue to tolerate him. In reality he's a lot less dangerous than Visch or Darcy ever was, and they were allowed to run MPs for a number of years.

Peter has been around this buisness a lot longer than the majority of us Perberts and will probably be around for a long time yet. It's just a fact of life we'll have to live with.

Complaining to the authorities would be futile. For those who want to protest, do it with your feet and stop patronizing his studios. Hurt him where it counts. In his wallet!

 

[buddha2]

Levers...

Based on the comments here, I've never been in, and don't expect to ever be in one of Peters or Visch's operations.

If folks are serious about "cleaning up" these operations, and if the stories about conditions are true, the easiest and perhaps most effective way to obtain leverage would be by simply phoning the Public Health Inspector's office.

See:

http://www.capitalhealth.ca/AboutUs...lthEnforcement/FactSheetsandForms/default.htm

and note in particular the links to pdf's covering "personal services" which include massage parlours.

Under Alberta's privacy laws, your complaints would be strictly confidential, and quite likely to trigger a surprise inspection.

 

[Interpolantics]

Pete + Vish

Can someone please clarify which places Pete runs and which Vish runs?

 

[sexylittlevixen]

Can someone please clarify which places Pete runs and which Vish runs?

Vegas, Venus, Kingsway, Escape & Relax, Hustlers, and Heavens Gate.

 

[paigesplaymate]

I have to say girls that come with me same as the ones your writing about the last few weeks really tug on my heart strings. I just hired a girl from Heavens Gate in the last week that was new to the buisness. She called telling me mush the same, she had been raped twice in the last month. I was discussed by what I heard and just wanted to help her out so even paid for her bus ticket up.
Anyways, wow was I s hocked, she has been with us now for 4 days, in those 4 days she was punched/hit twice by two different clients and attacked babeback. The one who attacked her she called me and I told her I had all his information, he was screaming he wanted his money back. I told her if thats what he wants give it back and I WILL give her the money. She ran out to the driver who was outside, asked for the money, I called her asking her if she needed to go to the hospital and then called in the information to the police and the hotel as I didnt want him to harm anyone else. I spoke with her and she did NOT want the police called, DID not want to go to the hospital. Said to me he attacked her bareback but had NO need to go to the hospital. I asked her to think about it and please right down detailed everything that happened. She replied she needed the 350 again for the 4th time.
Me thinking everyone is honest spent half the night on the phone making she she was ok, didnt book her to hotels because she said she never felt safe going to hotels. Asked her what she needed, as I was worried to dealth about her, had the girls talk to her and try and convince her to go to the police...
Anyways now tonight, she said she was going out for dessert to a local lounge, all is good, girls know my stand is your too drunk to drive, your too drunk to work. Not little kids so Im not gonna babysit. 2 1/2 hours later still no girls, call them and its obvious there drinking and this little one is right full of booze. I book her off and tell her she has to go home, told the two sleep it off and leave in the morning. About 10 minutes later she leaves in a cab to a bunch of guys house she had meet at the lounge, I call begging her to come back cause there are crazy ppl and in 4-5 years up until her we had only 2 bad dates and being drunk and her haveing 3 in 3-4 days alone it was obvious she needed to be someplace safe. Little girl informs me that I am invading her privacy, to not call her and I think her words were I was harrassing her.
Anyways IM still steaming as Im writing this, I was just told off by someone as if I was some piece of shit who didnt care. She text me as if I was one of these nasty owners. Mean time I learn from one of the girls she had meet some guy up there and he was staying in a hotel so making up shit about some guy was her way of getting out of calls.

Give them a inche they take a mile..... This girl told me Vish watched another girl get punched in the face and didnt do nothing, only imagine what she is gonna say about me cause I wont let the girls be impaired while working/ and incourage them to call the police... Which just reminds me the 100 bucks for food, and bus ticket I didn't see back.

I just wonder after tonight how many cry wolf sometimes, I know there is alot that are vendictive, they get fired and cause shit, but I just think there is things you don't cry wolf on... I would never think to say someone harmed me, nor would I EVER question a girl who said it...

I see it on the boards, I see guys some who I know write a honest review and the girl gets pissed because it wasnt good and talks shit. Seen guys use the board to get there way...

Not just girls but clients seen to have forgot this is a job/hobby and turned it into a lifestyle.
Far as I am concerned, someone who steals a dollar or a million dollars is a thief, same as a liar is a liar...

 

[Interpolantics]

Pete + Vish

Vegas, Venus, Kingsway, Escape & Relax, Hustlers, and Heavens Gate.

So are these all run by Pete or Vish or both?

 

[wickedwillie]

paige is right

I have to say girls that come with me same as the ones your writing about the last few weeks really tug on my heart strings. I just hired a girl from Heavens Gate in the last week that was new to the buisness. She called telling me mush the same, she had been raped twice in the last month. I was discussed by what I heard and just wanted to help her out so even paid for her bus ticket up.
Anyways, wow was I s hocked, she has been with us now for 4 days, in those 4 days she was punched/hit twice by two different clients and attacked babeback. The one who attacked her she called me and I told her I had all his information, he was screaming he wanted his money back. I told her if thats what he wants give it back and I WILL give her the money. She ran out to the driver who was outside, asked for the money, I called her asking her if she needed to go to the hospital and then called in the information to the police and the hotel as I didnt want him to harm anyone else. I spoke with her and she did NOT want the police called, DID not want to go to the hospital. Said to me he attacked her bareback but had NO need to go to the hospital. I asked her to think about it and please right down detailed everything that happened. She replied she needed the 350 again for the 4th time.
Me thinking everyone is honest spent half the night on the phone making she she was ok, didnt book her to hotels because she said she never felt safe going to hotels. Asked her what she needed, as I was worried to dealth about her, had the girls talk to her and try and convince her to go to the police...
Anyways now tonight, she said she was going out for dessert to a local lounge, all is good, girls know my stand is your too drunk to drive, your too drunk to work. Not little kids so Im not gonna babysit. 2 1/2 hours later still no girls, call them and its obvious there drinking and this little one is right full of booze. I book her off and tell her she has to go home, told the two sleep it off and leave in the morning. About 10 minutes later she leaves in a cab to a bunch of guys house she had meet at the lounge, I call begging her to come back cause there are crazy ppl and in 4-5 years up until her we had only 2 bad dates and being drunk and her haveing 3 in 3-4 days alone it was obvious she needed to be someplace safe. Little girl informs me that I am invading her privacy, to not call her and I think her words were I was harrassing her.
Anyways IM still steaming as Im writing this, I was just told off by someone as if I was some piece of shit who didnt care. She text me as if I was one of these nasty owners. Mean time I learn from one of the girls she had meet some guy up there and he was staying in a hotel so making up shit about some guy was her way of getting out of calls.

Give them a inche they take a mile..... This girl told me Vish watched another girl get punched in the face and didnt do nothing, only imagine what she is gonna say about me cause I wont let the girls be impaired while working/ and incourage them to call the police... Which just reminds me the 100 bucks for food, and bus ticket I didn't see back.

I just wonder after tonight how many cry wolf sometimes, I know there is alot that are vendictive, they get fired and cause shit, but I just think there is things you don't cry wolf on... I would never think to say someone harmed me, nor would I EVER question a girl who said it...

I see it on the boards, I see guys some who I know write a honest review and the girl gets pissed because it wasnt good and talks shit. Seen guys use the board to get there way...

Not just girls but clients seen to have forgot this is a job/hobby and turned it into a lifestyle.
Far as I am concerned, someone who steals a dollar or a million dollars is a thief, same as a liar is a liar...

Look at all the lies and BS she's just put up with

truthfully I don't believe anything these girls say, I have caught a number of them in their lies

problem is most of these girls associate with morons, their BS might work on family and BF's, but not a smart educated guy that has a memory

bottomline anyways my LG is my boss

if the LG says go to ATM machine and get money

I go get money

LG doesn't care about all this drama

the more this discussion goes on, the more I wonder what the fug is the matter with some of these SP's

 

[freakychef]

Wickedwillie you let...

The lg guy have that much control? Wow my little guy is an irational p@#$% seeking missle. I do not know how many times I have got into bad situations while relying on his judgement. Just saying imo.

 

[freakychef]

As for Paige she is right...

... Look just cause Petre and Visch are assholes, we all know that. It does not mean all mp or sp are angels. I am sorry but in a cash heavy buisness like mp or sp it attracts lowlifes plain and simple!! It can be owners, girls, pooners whatever. I just try to use judgment as to keep me safe and happy when pooning. Does not always work see previous post. If I did not think with the little head so much I would probably had less bad experiences. However the bad makes me appreciate the good.