Video Cameras in Massage Parlours.....

[looking4alady]

As we all know, for the sake of the girls working in a MP, security is a concern and certain steps must be taken.

Recently in my travels, I have noticed that some of the studios have video cameras in quite obvious places. I know of one studio that has a video camera on the outside of the building, so that when you drive up, they can see you coming (and leaving). I know of another studio that has a camera sitting up in the corner of the room when you immediately walk through the door (there's no way to avoid it). I do know that the girls in this studio will use the camera to "pick and choose" who they want to serve, so if you ask to see both girls on duty, you may only get to see one as the other one's supposedly "busy". These are just two studios and I'm sure that there are more examples out there.....

The points I would like to raise are....what about the respect and privacy of the customer coming to the MP? Are not the rights to his privacy being violated? What's to say that a MP would not use this video to blackmail a client, if a girl wanted to get back at a guy.

Yes, there are bad "dates" out there and security precautions must be taken...but there lies the possibility (and likelihood) of there being sp's who may go astray to find out who they are dealing with...what's to say an mp would not search up a customer to find out more about him ???

Interested in what the forum has to say........from both sides of the fence.......

 

[jim]

The points I would like to raise are....what about the respect and privacy of the customer coming to the MP? Are not the rights to his privacy being violated? What's to say that a MP would not use this video to blackmail a client, if a girl wanted to get back at a guy.

Yes, there are bad "dates" out there and security precautions must be taken...but there lies the possibility (and likelihood) of there being sp's who may go astray to find out who they are dealing with...what's to say an mp would not search up a customer to find out more about him ???

Interested in what the forum has to say........from both sides of the fence.......

If you want to have your privacy guaranteed don't go to such a place. If you worry about a tape being used in the wrong way then you would have to worry about the camera in the gas station or pub across the street that could be taping you as you walk across the street into the parlour. After all isn't that how Michael White got busted?

 

[Steve Ray]

As we all know, for the sake of the girls working in a MP, security is a concern and certain steps must be taken.

Recently in my travels, I have noticed that some of the studios have video cameras in quite obvious places. I know of one studio that has a video camera on the outside of the building, so that when you drive up, they can see you coming (and leaving). I know of another studio that has a camera sitting up in the corner of the room when you immediately walk through the door (there's no way to avoid it). I do know that the girls in this studio will use the camera to "pick and choose" who they want to serve, so if you ask to see both girls on duty, you may only get to see one as the other one's supposedly "busy". These are just two studios and I'm sure that there are more examples out there.....

The points I would like to raise are....what about the respect and privacy of the customer coming to the MP? Are not the rights to his privacy being violated? What's to say that a MP would not use this video to blackmail a client, if a girl wanted to get back at a guy.

Yes, there are bad "dates" out there and security precautions must be taken...but there lies the possibility (and likelihood) of there being sp's who may go astray to find out who they are dealing with...what's to say an mp would not search up a customer to find out more about him ???

Interested in what the forum has to say........from both sides of the fence.......

Which mp's in specific? I am just interested since I have never seen any. Maybe, I have my mind focused too much on other things.

 

[Chloe]

cameras....

I think having cameras is a wonderful thing to have in an MP for the girls.
It provides a sense of security for those who have been targeted (such as myself) by a bunch of losers that cant take no for an answer. I dont believe that the girls pick and choose who they want to see...i think its more if someone tries to rip you off....(it has happened) or if there is a certain someone who we should be alert of due to their overly aggressive behaviour and lack of respect for their hostess. Our clients are very important to us. In my personal experience, my clients have helped a girl who went from having nothing to having everything i've ever wanted, and for that i will always be grateful. I know who puts the clothes on my back and who feeds me. Im well aware. BUT, the respect has to be mutual. it is THOSE men who make it so the girls feel they need to go to these extreme security measures that you should be upset with, not an MP who is concerned about their staff's safety.

None of the girls are interested in finding out more about our clients due to cameras. Everyone has their personal life. I would expect that men should understand that the respect factor is mutual, and as the girl would like to keep her personal life personal, im sure NO GIRL would EVER stalk a client. (unless you rip her off, but hey, im not every woman). Im sure if someone ever tried to hurt your family, you would go to extreme security measures too, ensuring their safety, because you CARE.Take a minute and think about what these girls MIGHT have to endure an a daily basis....then tell me that cameras are a bad thing.

xoxo
Chloe

 

[Trex]

Well put Chloe...if I was in your position as a provider, I would want to have that security measure in the event of a "bad date". So far, that hasn't been the case and that's the way it should be. If video camera's prevent such behavior, so be it.

 

[longdong2005]

Which mp's in specific? I am just interested since I have never seen any. Maybe, I have my mind focused too much on other things.

WRO and Cloud 9 I have been to both of them and both times the girl I seen before greeted me when I walked in.

 

[Helovesonly1]

In all the studio's that I have known, I have never been bothered by any girls. Not that this will mollify some guys as it is a bit nerve wracking. However, true enough if you don't want to get caught by such technology then don't go. Stats prove that every day of our lives we are watched by the unknown. Also keep in mind what you say on the phones if you call to see who is in. You never know who is listening and who is not.

Just my thought

 

[looking4alady]

Som additional feedback:

Jim: I wouldn't care if I was seen on a video camera in a gas station or pub. All of society could see those videos and nobody would cast judgement on you.

Chloe: Yes, I do agree with your points...it sounds like you're a sp so I assume you're speaking from experience!

Steve Ray: I know of two places...and I have actually seen the cameras. (one is on the outside of a building at the end of a dead end street). The second studio in question is not regularly mentioned on PERB but it does offer nice girls as the owner has an interest in this studio as well as others.
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It's one thing to be put on camera when you're walking down the street...granted..and the street is where no one can say anything about what you're doing. It's another thing to be taped walking into a MP and then you don't know who has that tape or what they're going to do with it!

 

[looking4alady]

Thank you Fiddy for your words of wisdom.....you do raise some good points and I know that I'm not alone in being "on screen".

I've shopped most of the parlours in the city over the past 20 years, so I'm sure my face is well known...especially when I walk into a facility and they will say "oh, I've seen you before"....the ladies do remember a face !

thanks again,

 

[praxis]

What is your level of risk tolerance?

If privacy was an issue, one of us would of had a problem by now.
Worry when there is a problem, at this point I cannot see any other ponners being stung by this, any concern you have can always be addressed by the manager of that facility.

Just like anything in life, there are risks in any activity. If you cannot tolerate the risk - don't do it. If you can mitigate the risk, do something about (i.e. cover your face or wear dark glasses) when you walk past the camera. etc. etc.

 

[D.W.B]

i dont think any decent sp would retaliate with out being wronged... the cameras are there only for the safety of the women , and who knows maybe even the client. never know what could happen in this crazy world!

Yeah and the nice upstanding motorcycle enthusiest that owns the mp would never use the tapes to blackmail or intimidate anyone.

 

[looking4alady]

Totally agree with your point D.W.B. !!

MP's are tied to/owned by a certain element of society that are not mainstream (I believe that that's a fair comment). You don't just see anybody walking into a bank asking for a loan to open up a MP.

If a person has the money to spend in a MP, they are not just making minimum wage...thus if a person wanted to find out who they're dealing with, I'm sure that they might find money tied to that person.

All a person has to do is look at how often a person is posting on PERB and what types of sessions they're having. Let's say, if a person goes to a MP 4 times a month and they spend $250 per session, that's $1000/month that he has to "throw away". Now if we were to look at the demographics of that person, I don't think that he's working somewhere for minimum wage....to be able to spend that kind of money, he would have to have attained a certain level of income. (fair assumption).

We could just count the posts made by some of the people that Fiddy mentions above and know that these people do have money tied to their name....and what's to stop someone else from taking an "interest" in that money.

Feedback ?

 

[freakychef]

Having toured said establishments..

... I have yet to see or hear about cameras. However it does not suprise me. Life is about choices. If you feel that blackmail is a concern for you then stay away. Use caution. I have 2-3 sessions every two to three weeks. Yet I am not by any means wealthy. Does not matter if you have money it matters to what lengths you will go to get the money to keep your hobby secret. For me yes I want to keep it a secret from certain people in my life, however if it got out so what I made the choice long ago to be in this hobby. I am not ashamed by it just find it easier to not deal with other peoples bull@#$$. Most people who are out of this hobby or not sps I find to be morally uptight anyways. IMO I think given the number of jerks out there that safety for the girls overides most other concerns. I mean come on so your wife, girlfreind etc finds out? That is far better than getting assaulted, ripped off or worse!!!Again IMO.

 

[trawler]

MP Ownership ...

in my experience has very little to do with crime and the other bad elements of Society. I know most of the Owners personally and they tend to be SP's, business people and retired SP's. They understand the business nature of this Hobby and know how to make a buck. They are not into drugs, trafficking, slavery, or anything of that nature. Society, tends to think otherwise, because Soiety is not well informed. Even the police clearances necessary to obtain licensing are designed to weed out the bad elements.

I have never know any owners in this City who were connected with Gangs of any kind and I cannot imagine a scam of a client because it would end that business and affect the industry negatively. Many people make a legitimate livelihood in this industry. It is more a community of SP's and business people providing a safer environment for independant SP's to work than on the street.

My 2 CENTS - Nuff Said

 

[schizo_man]

I'd agree with Trawler here. I think that alot of the girls on the streets have gang connections, much more so than any mp gal. I knew of one lady who came through edmonton who had gang connections but she was quickly run out and went back to the city she came from. Edmonton gangs control the drugs and the street hoes, they arent controlling the mp's.

 

[SweetTits]

Another Reason

I used to post when I worked in the business, but since retiring have "lurked" under another name.

Trawler is on the right track - protection of the business. But there is a bit more to that. The Owners pay the upfront costs of crating the studio, and the ongoing costs of maintaining it. There are supplies, cleaning costs, rent and licence fees, as well as incredibly substantial advertising fees in the local paper (which alone can run well over $1,000.00 per month). While some studios charge a fee to the ladies, many pay the overhead costs from the $30.00 or $35.00 "room fee", and do not charge the ladies extra.

Granted, many of the ladies in the business are hard working and are business minded, but many girls think little of things like forgetting to write in a client or closing down early. This results in many of the Owners subsidizing the costs out of their own pocket.

It's sort of like the cameras over the till at Mac's or Tim Horton's - it keep the "honest people honest".

 

[Mick Shagher]

in my experience has very little to do with crime and the other bad elements of Society. They are not into drugs, trafficking, slavery, or anything of that nature. I have never know any owners in this City who were connected with Gangs of any kind.

My 2 CENTS - Nuff Said

Trawler, it sounds like you are unfamilar with Darcy, former owner of Paradise & Magic Touch. With the amount of stuff he was involved with, it always puzzled me how he was able to maintain an MP license.
Fortunately he is gone now. At least on the surface.

As for cameras, it was often mentioned that Darcy had them in the rooms at Paradise. This was confirmed by several gals who worked there.

 

[Mick Shagher]

Given Me, Tawler, Praxis, Wolverine, Mick, mikeallstar1,noddy, Steve Ray, ect... are all guys who tour the entire city and all its MP's. If privacy was an issue, one of us would of had a problem by now.

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Well, I haven't seen my hairy ass on the Internet yet, so I guess that's a good sign.

 

[praxis]

If your h___y ass ends up on the Internet. . .

Well, I haven't seen my hairy ass on the Internet yet, so I guess that's a good sign.

can you claim royalties everytime someone views the video?

 

[Chloe]

Omg....

This must be the UPTEENTH time someone has tried to tell me that MP's are run by motorcycle gangs....I have yet to meet a biker! Even Heaven's Gate was so hated by the Harley shop, that we would get into constant fights over parking spaces. WE ARE NOT OWNED/OPERATED by ANY bikers or gangs. And yes, it is possible to open a Holistic Health Centre and get a loan from the bank. We are not criminals....we are normal everyday women, just like any other woman....we have no affiliation with ANY gangs whatsoever. Maybe a loooooooooong time ago, but thats a stupid rumor. its not true!

Chloe