I say this with love…

[TheBellaRoseXo]

Things that confuse me as an SP:

• Wanting a spotless, freshly showered SP… but asking upon arrival IF you have to shower, or smelling like a 12-hour shift masked lightly with cologne…
• Desiring a calm, emotionally present SP… but arriving drunk, coked out, with chaotic energy, or making alarming movements…
• Craving a fantasy-level experience… but ignoring basic respect and manners…
• Expecting discretion… but perusing social media later to try to find the SP…
• Wanting extended time… but showing up late, no-showing, or watching the clock like a hawk…
• Wanting genuine connection… but giving no compliments, warmth, or reciprocity…
• Wanting zero judgement… but passing comments about the SP’s body, choices or policies…
• Expecting the SP to immediately understand your unique needs… But being unable to communicate them…
• Wanting the SP to act like the time is valuable… but treating the booking process like fast food…
• Etc

Caveat:
I can make a list JUST like this for SP’s etiquette. I could go OFF about some of what I’ve seen on the SP side of things.
BUT - I humbly ask you to take in what I’ve said, make some changes IF it even applies to you, and allow SP’s to do the same on their end.
We can only change our own actions, and I’ve designed this thread to be more informative than… “cunty”. Pardon my French.

Lastly:
I appreciate good writers and men who support a cause. Help me on my mission to make this industry better.
Write the list - without attitude, just the inconsistencies you’ve seen please - for SP’s that are new in the industry to read.
It’s often helpful to state the ridiculousness of certain behaviours in order for change to take effect.

 

[Pumped]

I've commented before on the fact that compared to 20 years ago, both SPs and their services have improved immensely! Even locations/decore has improved greatly -- I remember places that were barely a mattress on the floor with suspect sheets on them!

What hasn't changed, it seems, is the clientele. Too many frat boy shit-stains who believe their red-pill fantasies should be fulfilled by any woman they wave their tiny dicks at (check out the latest crop of losers to perbatory).

In all my experiences with SPs in the past few years, I am hard put to find a list like the one above to post. Not even close. A few instances where she could have run that thing through the shower or tried some mouthwash or skipped telling me about every dick-sucking escapade she'd been on that evening ... but those have been really, really, rare.

Looking forward to reading what the fragile little incels have to complain about here.

 

[maniacalone]

Things that confuse me as an SP:

• Wanting a spotless, freshly showered SP… but asking upon arrival IF you have to shower, or smelling like a 12-hour shift masked lightly with cologne…
• Desiring a calm, emotionally present SP… but arriving drunk, coked out, with chaotic energy, or making alarming movements…
• Craving a fantasy-level experience… but ignoring basic respect and manners…
• Expecting discretion… but perusing social media later to try to find the SP…
• Wanting extended time… but showing up late, no-showing, or watching the clock like a hawk…
• Wanting genuine connection… but giving no compliments, warmth, or reciprocity…
• Wanting zero judgement… but passing comments about the SP’s body, choices or policies…
• Expecting the SP to immediately understand your unique needs… But being unable to communicate them…
• Wanting the SP to act like the time is valuable… but treating the booking process like fast food…
• Etc

Caveat:
I can make a list JUST like this for SP’s etiquette. I could go OFF about some of what I’ve seen on the SP side of things.
BUT - I humbly ask you to take in what I’ve said, make some changes IF it even applies to you, and allow SP’s to do the same on their end.
We can only change our own actions, and I’ve designed this thread to be more informative than… “cunty”. Pardon my French.

Lastly:
I appreciate good writers and men who support a cause. Help me on my mission to make this industry better.
Write the list - without attitude, just the inconsistencies you’ve seen please - for SP’s that are new in the industry to read.
It’s often helpful to state the ridiculousness of certain behaviours in order for change to take effect.

Pertaining to your own reviews. A few members have commented that your menu is too “business like” and extensively complicated with your pricing features. Perhaps you may want to consider that as an area in need of improvement, to make it easier for members to book and improve the industry.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Sadly, Ms. Bella Rose, your confusion and concerns come from what has become just too typical of behaviour today.

 

[TheBellaRoseXo]

Pertaining to your own reviews. A few members have commented that your menu is too “business like” and extensively complicated with your pricing features. Perhaps you may want to consider that as an area in need of improvement, to make it easier for members to book and improve the industry.

Fair enough. I’m catering to the individual who wants everything laid out in one place before deciding to book, and made it possible for them do so in plain sight while getting a coffee in under 15 minutes. It’s the same process as any other legit massage business, with the same perks and some additional that you don’t get with other SP’s. Moreover, I run reception and being a SP simultaneously, WHILE being an athlete, WHILE building income streams OUTSIDE of this industry, WHILE maintaining all other self-care and seeing family too. I’m the SP that actually takes care of herself 🤷🏼‍♀️🙂

Totally valid opinion, but just not the clients for me then. I appreciate you outright stating it though. I hope you have a wonderful day.

 

[80watts]

Guys see SPs because the woman at home is not doing things he wants to do.... Or by seeing a SP that is how he gets laid.

Things to look at:
It is a business transaction.
Business transaction today are cut-throat practices, that have little to do with humanity. Part of those business practices is to take advantage of the situation if you can.
To purchase something means you own it (not in this case).

To pay for sex, means in most cultures that the woman offering the services; is at the lowest rank of society, for any given culture.

Some of those cultures make women 2nd class citizens, under the direct control of their families/husbands. In most of the world today womens' rights come from her family or husband through tradition/culture. (keep in mind that Canada has more foreign non-western (European) immigrants then in its history ).

Family treats the male as important, and daughters as second class or less important.

Do these guys treat girlfriends/wives better than SPs. Is it a cultural thing or is the guy uninformed/ignorant?? Guy saw his dad or male influence treat woman differently ??

Guys hormones-- Zero to 150%, blood drains from big head to little head. Not an excuse, but a factor to consider.

The Golden rule is to treat other people as you would like to be treated (Western Thinking??), so it could be foreign to other cultures.

Sex trafficking is rampant outside of Western countries, but exist in the dark side of western society too. Its all hush- hush.... Even in western society there are males who pimp women.

Just because in the Western world there are laws against slavery and trafficking; dosen't mean it dosen't happen in the dark areas of society. This includes the the threat of violence, kidnapping and confinement, even under our enlightened laws for protection of women.

One of the biggest influences is Porn. Guys get ideas from porn. There is little to filter the actions one sees in porn, and attributing those actions in the real world. Take for example guy see anal being done in porn. Not knowing the woman has stretched out her ass off camera with a dildo to accommodate a big penis. So when a guy sees a SP, he is uneducated on how to procede with anal, if the SP offers anal at all (the need to read/educate on SP website or advertizing forum)....

He needs to be educated or taught how to behave with a woman/SP.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Some men seem to be unable to distinguish between porn and, notably abusive porn, with real life, and how to behave properly in front of real women.

 

[illbeback69]

Hi Bella,
It's unfortunate you and legit SPs have to deal with this. What percentage of customers do you estimate have these issues overall ?

 

[TheBellaRoseXo]

Sadly, Ms. Bella Rose, your confusion and concerns come from what has become just too typical of behaviour today.

Some men seem to be unable to distinguish between porn and, notably abusive porn, with real life, and how to behave properly in front of real women.

The combination of these two comments makes it clear exactly why this industry has high basic rates and many are implementing varying verification processes. Not only is there an increased risk of infection from the hygiene of some, but risk of genuine physical and psychological abuse.

Hi Bella,
It's unfortunate you and legit SPs have to deal with this. What percentage of customers do you estimate have these issues overall ?

It is, and that’s difficult to say. I have a decent amount of privilege to be able to be picky, able to rely on the name I’ve already established, my fitness level and my ethnicity. 🤷🏼‍♀️
I’ve full-on raised my fists to two people since starting my secret career.

There’s no doubt that I encounter less of these behaviours than East Indian, Asian and black providers, as well as new comers to the industry and people who aren’t accustomed to stating boundaries/restrictions assertively and with unswaying confidence. The people who aren’t able to be picky will receive the most of these, often heightened by financial duress. Moreover, the percentage in men varies based on culture, age and the literal size of the man relative to the SP.

When I first entered the industry, about 30% did/said psychologically manipulative or coercive things.
Now it’s around 15%, but more so due to a lack of self-awareness and ignorance of what is considered abuse than outright intentional coercion or physical force.
The most common unconscious coercive sentence I hear: Telling me what I WILL enjoy… 🚩 Scary verbiage…

I would love it if more SP’s replied to this specific comment to get a better picture of the overall percentage. 🙏

 

[rinamood]

When I first entered the industry, about 30% did/said psychologically manipulative or coercive things.
Now it’s around 15%, but more so due to a lack of self-awareness and ignorance of what is considered abuse than outright intentional coercion or physical force.
The most common unconscious coercive sentence I hear: Telling me what I WILL enjoy… 🚩 Scary verbiage…

I would love it if more SP’s replied to this specific comment to get a better picture of the overall percentage. 🙏

It's unfortunate you and legit SPs have to deal with this. What percentage of customers do you estimate have these issues overall ?

When I was an agency newbie, my first 3mo fully-booked part-time was fraught with me making BL reports - I have very low tolerance for physical misbehaviour. They would try to do things to me that the agency had very clearly solidified as nonos for ALL their SPs (ie. digits). I would say it was a pretty brutal 30% chance that the stranger at the door was going to be a BL for me back then. It became much less frequent only when my time was booked up with more repeats/regulars.

As an indie, it may be around 1-3 proper BL per year. Getting BL is the absolute end of the line. I have much better clientele overall, including regulars who were able to find me again since I hopped onto perb advertising ASAP. Do keep in mind that my volume is much lower indie than agency.

This doesn't count people I disengage with for simple stupid things like actively pressuring me repeatedly when they are unwilling to screen, not accepting my no same-day policy, and other bare minimum protocol-related failures. I can't even count how many this year would be in this lesser-bad category. It still means I wouldn't see them though 🤷

Strongly agree with how icky and unappealing it is when they think it's sexy to tell me what I WILL enjoy. I will also add that the genuinely bad, the malicious people, will take an inch of whatever you allow of them and go a mile. Shitty people constantly push boundaries and then cross the line when they can. Broad assumptions are the killer of consent.

Bonus:
A large majority of my clients are POC, primarily Chinese born Canadian (CBC) 🇭🇰 🇹🇼 🇨🇳 🇨🇦 Ages usually 30s, 20s, then 40s.

 

[illbeback69]

When I first entered the industry, about 30% did/said psychologically manipulative or coercive things.
Now it’s around 15%, but more so due to a lack of

I would say it was a pretty brutal 30% chance that the stranger at the door was going to be a BL for me back then. It became much less frequent only when my time was booked up with more repeats/regulars.

That's some insanely high numbers. I have heard some stories. If I was an SP, I would have quit the first day. LOL.

 

[frisky business]

I've commented before on the fact that compared to 20 years ago, both SPs and their services have improved immensely! Even locations/decore has improved greatly -- I remember places that were barely a mattress on the floor with suspect sheets on them!

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Yes the SPs and their services have gotten better. They've also gotten worse.

When I first started in the "hobby", SPs advertised mainly on Craigslist and Backpage, and in The Georgia Straight. The SPs were on average much more amateur. My most memorable experience - and I had many like this - was with a young mom whom I guess didn't get her ex's support payment that month so she rectified the situation by getting on her knees and her back. Back then she could place an ad in five minutes, it was anonymous and free. She entertained in her apartment and it just seemed so completely genuine.

Now, the "hobby" has become an "industry". There are indies, but among them scams are rife. Most SPs now work through an agency. Agencies protect their reputations, so yeah, I guess maybe the quality of service has gone up.

Anyway, that's my nostalgic lament.
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[westwoody]

Some men seem to be unable to distinguish between porn and, notably abusive porn, with real life, and how to behave properly in front of real women.

Inabilty to distinguish reality from video games is a massive problem in every aspect of life.
Not just in client/escort but look at road ragers or how customers treat store clerks.
Look how incels here talk about women being bitchy when all the woman is doing is acting like an equal instead of submissive.

 

[TheBellaRoseXo]

Now, the "hobby" has become an "industry". There are indies, but among them scams are rife. Most SPs now work through an agency. Agencies protect their reputations, so yeah, I guess maybe the quality of service has gone up.
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Pretty sure it’s often seen as a hobby by the person choosing to divulge money, but it’s regarded as an industry by the ones earning their living (“the oldest profession”). We’re definitely covering in this thread why many ladies choose agencies, not to mention the workload the agency assumes on their behalf. So it makes sense why many would choose an agency. 🤷‍♀️ Sad that scams are a thing on either side. Expected, as it happens in every industry. But sucks nonetheless.

Inabilty to distinguish reality from video games is a massive problem in every aspect of life.
Not just in client/escort but look at road ragers or how customers treat store clerks.
Look how incels here talk about women being bitchy when all the woman is doing is acting like an equal instead of submissive.

Accurate, especially the road rage and “bitch” title. Thank you for saying this. 🙏

As an indie, it may be around 1-3 proper BL per year. Getting BL is the absolute end of the line. I have much better clientele overall, including regulars who were able to find me again since I hopped onto perb advertising ASAP. Do keep in mind that my volume is much lower indie than agency.

This doesn't count people I disengage with for simple stupid things like actively pressuring me repeatedly when they are unwilling to screen, not accepting my no same-day policy, and other bare minimum protocol-related failures. I can't even count how many this year would be in this lesser-bad category. It still means I wouldn't see them though 🤷

Strongly agree with how icky and unappealing it is when they think it's sexy to tell me what I WILL enjoy. I will also add that the genuinely bad, the malicious people, will take an inch of whatever you allow of them and go a mile. Shitty people constantly push boundaries and then cross the line when they can. Broad assumptions are the killer of consent.

Bonus:
A large majority of my clients are POC, primarily Chinese born Canadian (CBC) 🇭🇰 🇹🇼 🇨🇳 🇨🇦 Ages usually 30s, 20s, then 40s.

You are right. Once regulars are on-going, there’s less opportunity for crappy behaviour.
Also, I’m going to have to quote you on the broad assumptions. Well stated.

 

[80watts]

Inabilty to distinguish reality from video games is a massive problem in every aspect of life.
Not just in client/escort but look at road ragers or how customers treat store clerks.
Look how incels here talk about women being bitchy when all the woman is doing is acting like an equal instead of submissive.

Inabilty to distinguish reality from video games is a massive problem in every aspect of life.
Yes, but take into consideration the youth, inexperience, social network (friends), social network truthfulness/misinformation. Learning has its ups and downs. The problem is that most things you read you want to believe is truth (eg a social media platform); unless you ask questions or have other information.
It becomes a dreadful world when you have to question everything you come across. Plainly its exhausting when social media is concerned.

Not just in client/escort but look at road ragers or how customers treat store clerks.
The road ragers and treatment of clerks is a symptom of an overstressed society. These reactions are a relief valve for a society that has to show composure in a stressed environment. At every level (family, work, social networks) there are stressors that people put on themselves and what the group puts on them. So when tempers flare, it is when shit happens....Have to understand why it happens and not be "offended" by the reaction.

Look how incels here talk about women being bitchy when all the woman is doing is acting like an equal instead of submissive.

Some women are just fucken bitches (And no its not the joke about sluts and bitches). If you are not giving them what they want, lets just say; they are not nice people. If a bitch is being nice to you, that is only because she wants something from you. Say something offensive to her and she jumps all over you etc etc etc.... When dealing with bitches you are dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.....Catch 22.

As for incels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel
Read here for more detailed information about incel ideology. Your comment could be considered "light" in retrospect... but some women are just plain ordinary bitches.
Just because a woman is opinionated, doesn't necessary means she is a bitch. Clarity....

However the golden rule is: treat others as you want to be treated...

 

[wincity23]

Not just in client/escort but look at road ragers or how customers treat store clerks.
The road ragers and treatment of clerks is a symptom of an overstressed society. These reactions are a relief valve for a society that has to show composure in a stressed environment. At every level (family, work, social networks) there are stressors that people put on themselves and what the group puts on them. So when tempers flare, it is when shit happens....Have to understand why it happens and not be "offended" by the reaction.

Overstressed society? Call the Whaaaaaaammmmbulance. Their bad behaviour is on them. They aren't overstressed. Society isn't overstressed. Society doesn't behave as well as it should and it's worse now than the past. Assigning blame for bad behaviour on anything beyond one's accountability is a huge part of the problem.

 

[richboy93]

Overstressed society? Call the Whaaaaaaammmmbulance. Their bad behaviour is on them. They aren't overstressed. Society isn't overstressed. Society doesn't behave as well as it should and it's worse now than the past. Assigning blame for bad behaviour on anything beyond one's accountability is a huge part of the problem.

their bad behaviour is absolutely on them, no excuse for that, but society/people are absolutely overstressed. people are being squeezed for their income from every angle (housing, groceries, entertainment) and on top of that social media is absolutely decimating our ability to create real human connections (which makes it harder to handle stressors). add to that things like the news media making a headline out of every little thing and new worrying techs like "AI" decimating jobs and people are on the edge of oblivion.

blame might be on the individual but causes can come from anywhere

 

[rinamood]

their bad behaviour is absolutely on them, no excuse for that, but society/people are absolutely overstressed. people are being squeezed for their income from every angle (housing, groceries, entertainment) and on top of that social media is absolutely decimating our ability to create real human connections (which makes it harder to handle stressors). add to that things like the news media making a headline out of every little thing and new worrying techs like "AI" decimating jobs and people are on the edge of oblivion.

blame might be on the individual but causes can come from anywhere

Most people are kind when it is easy for them to be kind.
Few people are kind when it is difficult to be kind.

 

[wincity23]

their bad behaviour is absolutely on them, no excuse for that, but society/people are absolutely overstressed. people are being squeezed for their income from every angle (housing, groceries, entertainment) and on top of that social media is absolutely decimating our ability to create real human connections (which makes it harder to handle stressors). add to that things like the news media making a headline out of every little thing and new worrying techs like "AI" decimating jobs and people are on the edge of oblivion.

blame might be on the individual but causes can come from anywhere

Sounds like excuses to me. For those with any intelligence and drive, it's easier to get ahead now than ever. The "squeeze" may be there, but solutions are as well, most don't bother working towards or looking for them. Social media is Cancer-don't engage-again, that's on you. News media? As in legacy media or social media news? Either way-you choose what you consume. AI is a problem for sure but we are not on the edge of oblivion. To quote a great 80's movie line-Your problem is you.

 

[golferjohn]

Most people are kind when it is easy for them to be kind.
Few people are kind when it is difficult to be kind.

you're too kind