USA Political Discussion Thread 2025

[masterpoonhunter]

It's the Nazi Germany playbook. Before the felon was elected the first time I recall quotes about become a Republican as they are stupid enough to fall for this. And here we are. Get a third to follow. Make a third the enemy. And the rest will stand around and say shit like thoughts and prayers.

 

[westwoody]

It's the Nazi Germany playbook. Before the felon was elected the first time I recall quotes about become a Republican as they are stupid enough to fall for this. And here we are. Get a third to follow. Make a third the enemy. And the rest will stand around and say shit like thoughts and prayers.

Hannah Arendt wrote that about the nazis.
That’s almost exactly how the election went.
31.78 Trump
30.84 Harris
1.06 other
36.33 didn’t vote
Roughly 3 out of 10 voted for Trump.
Roughly 7 out of 10 did not vote for Trump.
Grovelling bootlickers like Patel, Biondi etc pretend they have a mandate but they really don’t.

 

[licks2nite]

...with two decades of monetary policy rescues and you get a mindset where “people just believe nothing bad can ever happen.” My conclusion: “we have a pornographically overvalued market” and a “batshit insane investor psychosis” sitting on the edge of reality.

Every policy tweak has been another addition, until "the economy becomes a mile-high, top-heavy monstrosity.” Now one loose block away from collapse, like a Jenga puzzle.

...bad news is good news when people expect stimulus.”

A slow continuous debasement in the value of the dollar looks better when markets drawdown (i.e. a crash).

 

[oldshark]

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Posted by Wilbur Turner.
Came across this when I started googling for the Kirk guy that got gunned down as I had never heard of him before.
I don't know who Wilbur Turner is but this post in my opinion is pretty much on the money


When news broke that right-wing activist Charlie Kirk had been murdered, conservative politicians and media figures wasted no time. Donald Trump thundered that “the radical left” was behind it. Elon Musk declared Democrats to be “the party of murder.” And here in Canada, some opportunistic voices parroted the same baseless line, using a tragedy to score points before the facts were even in.

The facts now paint a very different picture.

Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old who turned himself in, was not acting on progressive ideals. He appears to have been deeply influenced by the far-right “Groyper” movement, led by none other than Nick Fuentes—the fringe influencer who once orbited Kirk’s orbit before the two descended into a bitter public feud.

Robinson grew up in a MAGA household. His father was a police officer. Guns were everywhere in his youth. Family photos even show him dressed as Pepe the Frog for Halloween, a meme that has become a grotesque mascot of Fuentes’ Groypers.

When investigators examined Robinson’s ammunition, they found the phrase "Bella Ciao” etched into a casing. Originally an anti-fascist anthem, the song has been co-opted into the Groypers’ bizarre online ecosystem, even appearing on a “Groyper War” Spotify playlist. It’s a toxic mix of memes, music, and menace: the far right glamorizing violence while hiding behind irony.

This is where Kirk and Fuentes come back into the story.

For years, Fuentes positioned himself as the true heir to the MAGA youth movement, mocking Kirk as too polished, too corporate, and too willing to play inside the lines. Kirk, for his part, dismissed Fuentes and his followers as fringe trolls. The feud escalated in 2019 during Kirk’s campus tour, when Groypers heckled his events, demanding harder lines on immigration, “traditional” gender roles, and other extremist talking points.

That clash never went away. In fact, it became a permanent fault line on the American right: Kirk representing the buttoned-up Turning Point USA donor circuit, Fuentes representing the online cesspool where irony and hate swirl into radicalization.

Robinson’s case shows just how dangerous that cesspool has become.

And this is not an isolated incident. Officials in Evergreen, Colorado confirmed that the 16-year-old boy who carried out a shooting just moments after Kirk’s murder was also radicalized online by far-right propaganda.

So let’s be clear: the threat isn’t coming from liberals, progressives, or some imagined “antifa army.” A huge percentage of political violence in recent years has come from the right itself.

That makes the knee-jerk finger-pointing from Trump, Musk, and their Canadian copycats not only reckless but dangerous. It obscures the reality of what’s happening in order to protect a movement that is radicalizing an entire generation of young men through podcasts, livestreams, memes, and propaganda.

Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes may have hated each other, but they both swam in the same waters. Those waters are now producing young men like Tyler Robinson. Armed, alienated, and convinced that violence is the only way to prove loyalty to a cause built on hate.

The right needs to face the truth: this is their monster.

The tragedy of Charlie Kirk’s murder isn’t just about one man or one feud—it’s about what happens when radicalization collides with America’s obsession with guns. Online extremism supplies the ideology, grievance, and memes. Gun culture supplies the tools to act on them. Together, they form a pipeline that turns disaffected young men into killers. Until that intersection is confronted head-on, by calling out the lies, dismantling the propaganda networks, and rethinking a culture that treats firearms not as tools but as appendages, these tragedies will keep repeating.

 

[Harmony-bc]

the media is spinning the murderer, Tyler was in a relationship with a transwoman. No idea if this is true. It’s all so mental and sick, how violent trumps rhetoric is.

 

[blackcad]

the media is spinning the murderer, Tyler was in a relationship with a transwoman. No idea if this is true. It’s all so mental and sick, how violent trumps rhetoric is.

This is not spinning anything. It's confirmed he lives with his partner, a male, transitioning to a woman.

 

[blackcad]

Posted by Wilbur Turner.
Came across this when I started googling for the Kirk guy that got gunned down as I had never heard of him before.
I don't know who Wilbur Turner is but this post in my opinion is pretty much on the money

There's a reason you haven't heard of Wilbur Turner. This is an opinion piece circulating online most likely under a pseudonym. And his post is 'on the money if you like to cherry pick and exaggerate only points supporting your false narrative, ignoring vast evidence against it. Objectively, on the balance of probabilities, the evidence in Tyler Robinson's assassination of Charlie Kirk points to left-wing ideological motivations, not the far-right "Groyper" narrative pushed in Wilbur Turner's article.

The investigations continue, but facts like bullet engravings ("Hey fascist! Catch!" and "Bella Ciao," an anti-fascist anthem tied to leftist/Antifa circles) and Robinson's anti-Kirk rants about "spreading hate" align far more with progressive critiques of Kirk's views on immigration, gender, and race.

His recent association with a pro-Biden, anti-Christian transgender partner—seen together weeks before the shooting—further suggests progressive influences, especially given the timing during a trans/gun violence discussion.

Robinson's shift from his conservative family (evidenced by mocking both Trump and Kirk) indicates a personal ideological evolution toward the left, amplified by online exposure.

Turner's piece, claiming Robinson was a Groyper radicalized by Nick Fuentes, falls apart under scrutiny. It relies on speculative, unverified claims: no confirmed Groyper membership, manifesto, or direct Fuentes ties exist—only that Robinson followed him online, like many non-extremists.

The "Pepe the Frog" Halloween costume (from 2018 family photos) is a generic meme, not exclusive to Groypers; Pepe originated apolitically but was co-opted by alt-right, yet Turner's leap ignores Robinson's later disdain and hatred for mainstream conservatives like Kirk, which completely contradicts Groyper loyalty to MAGA fringes.

Even worse, Turner twists "Bella Ciao" as "co-opted" by Groypers via a single remix on one obscure Spotify playlist ("Groyper Wars"). This is misleading: the song's core is anti-fascist resistance (WWII Italian partisans vs. Nazis), popularized in leftist spaces (e.g., TikTok, Antifa protests, Money Heist). One fringe playlist doesn't override its dominant left-wing symbolism—especially paired with "Hey fascist!" which screams anti-right rhetoric, not ironic Groyper memes.

Authorities haven't linked it to far-right; Turner's claim cherry-picks to fit a narrative, ignoring the full engravings' juvenile but anti-conservative tone.

Turner also fabricates an "Evergreen, Colorado" shooting by a 16-year-old "radicalized by far-right propaganda" as a pattern. No such incident ties to Kirk's case—Evergreen High School's September 10 shooting (minutes after Kirk's) involved Desmond Holly, a 16-year-old with antisemitic online posts, but officials cited general "extreme network" radicalization, not far-right specifics. It's unrelated and exaggerated for effect.

In sum, Turner's argument deflects from strong and almost certain left-wing indicators by inflating weak right-wing speculation, obscuring the hybrid radicalization but tilting left on balance. This knee-jerk framing risks politicizing this tragedy further—facts, not agendas, should guide us.

 

[MRGREEN]

Spin it right or spin it left It .... in thr end it really doesn't matter.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Yup the cycle of hate, literally the worst of humanity and humanity can be awful. You say this, we kill you. You killed our guy, we'll crucify you. The fact the killer lives with a trans - really, who fucking cares. Then some guy writes an opinion, he's completely wrong. The third and fourth and fifth string jump in and offer their side of it more or less stirring more of the hate. All started a long time ago and nurtured and nurtured by the convicted rapist felon and the minions. And the hate just percolates.

As mrgreen says in the end it doesn't really matter and frankly for me its like a tiny violin playing in the wind, somewhere. I pity the US folks who are trying to just live their lives.

 

[Crookedmember]

The right's golden boy talks about a public execution for Joe Biden.


View attachment kirkbiden2.mp4

 

[Harmony-bc]

This is not spinning anything. It's confirmed he lives with his partner, a male, transitioning to a woman.

It’s just suspicious at a time when maga is pushing the rhetoric that mass shootings are caused by trans and gangs. It’s almost enough to turn me into a conspiracy theorist lol

 

[Harmony-bc]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOhbZjdAHJh/?igsh=ajVlbWd0cXQ1djhh

 

[blackcad]

Hey folks, even if you're convinced Charlie Kirk is the devil incarnate and that the shooter was just karma in action, this YouTube breakdown might just make you pause and rethink those viral "worst quotes" being weaponized against him. It's a no-BS dive into the full context that flips the script on the smears—worth a watch if you're open to seeing how the narrative gets twisted, regardless of where you stand. Check it out:

 

[ivn7z]

Hey folks, even if you're convinced Charlie Kirk is the devil incarnate and that the shooter was just karma in action, this YouTube breakdown might just make you pause and rethink those viral "worst quotes" being weaponized against him. It's a no-BS dive into the full context that flips the script on the smears—worth a watch if you're open to seeing how the narrative gets twisted, regardless of where you stand. Check it out:

he was a piece of shit. and he died by the guns he loved so much,

if it had been another school shooting he wouldnt have cared a bit. to him dead innocent children was a fair price to pay so that imbeciles could own more guns

 

[ivn7z]

It’s just suspicious at a time when maga is pushing the rhetoric that mass shootings are caused by trans and gangs. It’s almost enough to turn me into a conspiracy theorist lol

it is very unlikely to be true. it sounds more like right wing desperation to control the narrative. and have reasons to hate and hurt more another marginalized community

 

[GentlemanJack69]

Whether the shooter was radically left aligned or radically right aligned is largely irrelevant to me. As previously stated by many on this thread.. nobody deserves to die by gun violence, and those that seek to use that violence to obscure the underlying problem and demonize political rivals are only contributing to the problem. The real issue is gun control. The USA wouldn't have nearly this many mass shootings or political atrocities if they were able to enact gun control policies. Unfortunately if the mass shootings of children isn't enough to sway public opinion, the numerous political killings of democrats isn't going to make a dent,.. and Charlie Kirk's death isn't likely to do so either. The largest gun trafficker in the world (The US Government) isn't likely to entertain any sort of restrictions on guns.
Glad I live in Canada and not the USA.

 

[blackcad]

he was a piece of shit. and he died by the guns he loved so much,

if it had been another school shooting he wouldnt have cared a bit. to him dead innocent children was a fair price to pay so that imbeciles could own more guns

No, he was an amazing and courageous human being. He had strong values and beliefs and respected everyone he debated, allowing them to call him vial names while alive and debating, never calling them any names back, just simply trying to find a point of agreement in even the smallest thing. And you could never have debated him, you wouldn't stand a chance. All you can do is smear him after his brutal murder by a left wing lunatic (which Tyler Robinson certainly was), promoted by ideologies of hate that you are repeating now, when he can no longer defend himself.

 

[blackcad]

And for all those still trying to say Charlie"s killer was radical right, I asked the most liberal AI out there, Gemini to give me an objective answer from currently available facts, not opinions:



Conversation with Gemini


With the current information publicly available as facts, not opinions, can you tell me objectively, on a balance of probabilities was the killer of Charlie Kirk of left or right wing ideology?





Show thinking

Based on the publicly available information, on a balance of probabilities, the killer of Charlie Kirk, Tyler James Robinson, appears to have held left-wing ideological beliefs. This assessment is based on statements from authorities and evidence recovered during the investigation.

Evidence Pointing to Left-Leaning Ideology

Following the fatal shooting of the right-wing activist on September 10, 2025, several key pieces of information have emerged that suggest the suspect's motivations were rooted in a leftist or anti-fascist ideology.
Statements from Officials: Utah Governor Spencer Cox has publicly stated that interviews with individuals close to Tyler James Robinson indicate he held a "leftist ideology." The governor also mentioned that Robinson had become "more political" in recent years and had expressed a strong dislike for Charlie Kirk's views, telling a friend that he believed Kirk was "full of hate and spreading hate."
Inscriptions on Ammunition: Investigators discovered unfired bullet casings at the scene with politically charged messages engraved on them. These included the phrase "Hey fascist! Catch!" and a reference to the song "Bella Ciao," which has historical ties to the anti-fascist resistance in Italy.

Suspect's Political Affiliation and Background

While the evidence points towards a left-leaning motive, it is important to note that Tyler James Robinson was officially registered as an unaffiliated voter. His parents are registered Republicans. This suggests a personal political evolution that may not be reflected in formal party affiliation.
The investigation into the full motive is ongoing, and authorities are continuing to piece together the events and radicalization that led to the shooting. The presence of internet meme-related engravings on other bullet casings also suggests a complex motivational picture that may include elements of online subcultures alongside political ideology.
It is crucial to rely on confirmed facts from the official investigation as more details become available.

 

[Crookedmember]

The MAGAs are really tripping over themselves trying to convince us that a white Mormon male in Utah from a Republican family, with a father in law enforcement, who attended one of the most conservative schools in the US . . . is somehow a radical leftist.

And no, Kirk wasn't an amazing and courageous human being. He was an ugly racist hatemonger who very likely is right now burning in Hell. Can't wait for Trump to join him.