USA Political Discussion Thread 2025
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no. hydro does not "get its money" from the government. they are a profitable venture that actually pays the government (thats you) a dividend. they produce and sell electricity. aside from the capital investments sometimes required in the corporation that you own and are funded through your tax dollar.
in political discourse, wealth is the means of production. all infrastructure and resources not privately owned is a socialist means of production. and its far larger than all private means of production put together.
communist societies had no private ownership and no taxation... and yet, they had electricity and government! so your argument that "no taxpayers, no hydro or government" is false.
granted communism simply does not have the motivational power to produce more means of production that capitalism does. but purely capitalist societies fare no better. its called feudalism. in response we had the french and american revolutions which spawned liberal democracies.
liberalism emphasizes individual rights, freedom, and limited government intervention, while socialism prioritizes collective ownership and control of resources, often advocating for greater government intervention to ensure social and economic equality.
its usually the social and economic equality that someone with your propensities find abhorrent. but as you point out, socialist collective ownership is absolutely essential to our current way of life.
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Kilmar Abrego Garcia is back in US custody after being illegally deported and will now face criminal charges
so, i guess this meaning that the government just can't make you disappear in the night.
so, i guess this meaning that the government just can't make you disappear in the night.
Newsom floats withholding federal taxes as Trump threatens California
wow, this is happening faster than i expected! lol!
wow, this is happening faster than i expected! lol!
till around jan 20 2029. nov 7 is the election date time. he stays in office till jan 20. Sorry someone else corrected you too.
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It almost seems like the press, put Musk first and said he was the reason Trump was in office, knowing that Trump would not like Elon to outshine him. So elon had to go.
Now the press is singling out Vance, wonder how that turn out?
Create Chaos and War.
The Billionaires are thinking they are getting tax cuts. Traditionally rich people move away from poor places/environmentally damaged areas. They move to nicer, cleaner places, while leaving toxic waste dumps and pollutions behind, that poor people don't have the money to deal with environmental damage.
The US is a prime example of what big companies do. They pollute the land with toxic chemicals (that are hard to remove or very expensive, or just dumped into the local waterway). This has been happening since the early 1900s. Environmental law only starte to come into effect in the 1970s, when companies were moving to greener pasture to pollute.
Some psychic in the early 1900s drew a map of the US without Texas, New Mexico, and the rest of the gulf states being under water. They been drilling oil, and pumping water out of this land for the last 100 years. Maybe it will collapse.
North Korea and Cuba have government and electricity (sometimes). Interestingly, people tend to try and escape from these Communist utopias. Nobody says I think I'm going to go there and see how great it is. Everyone with a functioning brain knows that socialism and communism are failed concepts. Try not to forget the millions who died when communism was forced on them. That's not political theory, it's a historical reality.
Thats a bullshit answear. Take away Capitalism and you still need a system to make up for the power vaccum.
Capitalism creates wealth but only for the rich. Capitalism needs to be monitored and kept in line.
Patents created wealth monopolies (Bezos, Gates, Elon, Buffet- all have monopolies). Getting too rich causes violent up heavals (Russian Revolution 1917). Governments need the middle class to pay for taxes the rich bastards don't pay (or have laws and regulations so they benefit before any other citizen).
People take political science courses because they want to get into government/politics, cause that is where the money is???
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Go to Casa Loma in Toronto. Once owned by an capitalist, then politicians in Ontario, made every dam/electrical station public, stealing all the private electric corporations/companies for provincial use. A sad story for capitalist, and not so great one for communists...
The Funny thing about electrical bills...
Dual rate: cheap low price (11cents), and highest price (14 cents) once you go past a limit. that limit is made for apartments, not houses.
Flat rate: Its in-between the low and high rate (12.3 cents), but made high enough to be the same bill as the Dual rate. For electrical heated places.
MY solution is to freeze in the winter.... My minimum electricity in the summer (no heat, no a/c) is still above the limit for the dual rate. this is due to electric blower, weed-eater and when i buy a electric mower it will go up more.
Causes we are being fleeced by the electric rates... Everything should be 11 cents or as cheap as Quebec (who offset their bills by selling lots to the US). Lets not forget how California fucked BC hydro a few years ago....
I think the next bc election will be to decrease the flat rate to the min low cheap price. After all BC has the most electrical production by hydro electric behind Quebec.
"Capitalism creates wealth but only for the rich". Sounds like the graffiti that you sometimes see on the bathroom walls in gas stations. It's doesn't mean that it's true. In the Communist system, you don't have to worry about wealth because there isn't any. They do make sure that the poverty is distributed equally though, so that's pretty cool!
Most Canadians live paycheck to paycheck. With the price of real estate, most will pay off their house in 30/40 years. So if over 50 % are living paycheck to paycheck, they aren't investing alot for their retirement. Most people will invest in mutual fund, stocks, bonds, real estate. Most people saving these won't touch them until they retire. Most peoples wealth is tied up in either their house or their retirement funds.
The truely rich move around and can live anywhere (hotels), and not budget for a trip. Being rich is a different mind set too.
I would say that about 98% of Canadians have their wealth in the home or in retirement funds. That is not accessible wealth. Its a paper trail.
"In the Communist system, you don't have to worry about wealth because there isn't any." In the communist system the higher ups had all the perks, cars, houses, the ability to shop at high end stores. If you weren't of a certain status, you couldn't shop there, let alone afford to shop there. The idea of communism was that everything should be shared. It was a class tiered system for people. Yet people starved under these goverment, died of famine ( the undersireables).
"They do make sure that the poverty is distributed equally though, so that's pretty cool!". Pretty sure only a jerk/idiot would write this. Poverty is not "cool".
stocks, bonds, mutual funds = Banks
why? If all the people take all their money out of banks (run on the bank), same thing for stocks, bonds and mutual funds.
Except that I just explained to you that the public ownership of the means of production is an important and necessary part of western liberal democracy success. That the capitalists of the industrial revolution help set it up.
40 years ago no "right wing" pawn was calling out people for being "socialist". The wealthy had defined that pro capitalist cult members should be afraid of "communists". Now that only old guys remember "communism" a new word had to take its place as the old boogey man.
It's additionally hilarious how the fight for the gold toilets of the wealthy cult use the term "liberal" in a pejorative manner. liberalism being "a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property, and equality before the law". On the one hand you have MAGA talking heads saying that, no, the right are the ones who champion these things while at the same time the Trump administration attacks these things on a daily basis.
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