Canada Military Needs

[80watts]

This is more of a I wish thread.
So with the war in Ukraine, Ukraine has received around 278 Billion in equipment and ammo.
So what type of equipment does Canada need to be able to defend itself or send troops for Peace keeping.
Bear in mind that the world is no longer a "slow boat to China" in reaction time. Therefore response has to be fast, and probably by Air. Big Heavy equipment is usually 2-3 weeks away by ship.
Also Canada sovereignty in the north has to be addressed.
The other thing to add is logistics.

In the north at least 2 naval stations:
-4-6 Large Icebreakers (not those stupid new vessel the navy is creaming about).
-min 16 hovercraft (for over sea or ice), with heated hangers, with increase use of waters in the north, search and rescue will happen more often.
-Surface and Air missiles. For a defense in depth. for Air defence and surface defence 80 missils per station.
- increase in Ranger activity

Army combined Arms.
-1-2 tanks
-2 command vehicles
-10-16 quad bikes/dirt bikes
-4-6 personnel carriers
-4-6 anti-air with drone defense
-4 drone attack operators vehicles (with 10-20 drones to survey and attack/vehicle)
-6-8 mobile artillery units (Panzer-2000) for shoot and move activities. 155 mm.
4-6 minesweepers tanks
4 Bulldozers.
-Anti mechanical rifles 20mm or 40mm with ranges of 3-5 km.

Navy
36 new frigates- with min 60 missiles
16 drone attack boats (shallow water capable)
20 CB-90 Swedish Fast attack assault boats.
5-6 helicopter attack ships with f35 and helicopters. With (4-6) aerial zeppelins for advanced range detection and defense with autocannons.
5-8 helocarriers with deck for hovercraft/landing craft.
20 supply ships
6 Battleships with 18" guns and 120 missiles. 4- 6" Secondary back up (100 km range). air defense 8 Ciwis, with 50 mm autocannons and 4-76 mm autoguns. Anti surface- CRAM.

DART Teams
min 4 teams with own transport and security detail (3x security as dart team), with anti-drone and air capability

Air Force
250 F-35
200 F-16/18
150 attack helicopters
50 C-5 galaxy
100 C-17
50 Waterbombers
500 big drones for the fighters.
100 trainers.

 

[ChromeGasCap]

You forgot the most important piece of the puzzle.
Troop recruitment. This is the largest and most difficult part of the whole equation.
Without troops, the equipment list is mute.

 

[Pumped]

The only real way to win any war with the fascists is to sabotage what they need. It would be an environmental disaster, but blowing up sections of oil and gas pipelines; hydro stations; roads; railroads; airports and any kind of infrastructure that would help to support them.

Then start a guerrilla war. Focus on supply lines by continually damaging bridges, roads, and setting up ambushes in choke points.

The problem with invading Canada is that we are a huge land mass split up into provinces and territories that each has a couple major cities. But those cities are also either useless (what are you going to do when you capture Winnipeg?) or a simple nightmare to navigate.

Or you capture Victoria, BC and the government simply flies off to Fort Nelson. What do you do with Vancouver, West Van, the West End, Surrey, New Westminster etc.?

Most likely they would concentrate on Ottawa and shutting down the Federal government, but they'd still have to deal with 10 provincial governments. But then what?

And the moment you do that China invades Taiwan. It would probably have plans to invade a number of other countries. Russia would go all out in Ukraine. Other countries would likely join to either fight Russia or help them.

Buying a bunch of shit just gives the fascists a hard target.

 

[uncleg]

The US navy has 33 supply ships for 300 deployable vessels. You want 20 for roughly 50 ships....really. ???

 

[80watts]

New equipment will help with recruitment. Operating new equipment and guns are fun!! People join up and they want to travel, see new places and do things to help other people in the world.
Too often enough, its the trades training that takes priority and you can't get out of it. Especially if you get in and find a different trade you would like to do.
Or when you are recruited, you are lied to by the recruiter, and find you have to complete your current course/trade.
One of the things the CAF used to do was ask it personal why they were getting out.
Pay for updating of continuous education in the CAF. There is some stupid shit of if you have a degree paid for by the CAF, you can't get another one. If you want smart dedicated people in the CAF, pay for the upgrading of education.

I would start with supporting DART teams (Disaster Assistance Response team), supply them with the aircraft and a landing craft ship. Can go by land or Air. Hence the C-17 and helo carrying ship. These assets would have to be dedicated just to the DART teams.

The thing is that the CAF does alot of humanitarian aid, just concentrate on that.

I would recruit for people that would want to go into the medical profession. With Dart they gain medical experience, also make the courses they take are compatible with colleges and universities for doctors and nursing degrees.

A second priority would be to increase the number of military personal for the training system. The next would be to get a training system that get people on time to their deployable units in the shortest amount of time possible. Alot of this has to do with the lack of instructors or shit heads that refuse to go help train other people.

The problem is the senior dipshits believe in this dumb mantra: One Man, One job. (1 Billet, 1 person )
The reality is that it takes about 1.4 men to do that job. Due to sick leave, coursing etc. so when this shit happens the billet is not filled due to lack of trained personal.

Currently I would say they have a problem with getting a trainee fast to an operation unit. When you have people standing around a base with a thumb up their ass, waiting for a course, you are not being efficient, and the problem arises with discipline and the thoughts of I'm not sticking around this organization cause I'm waiting for training. Okay people use a few word like ***&^&*&^.

And the #1 thing they have to get out of the CAF is the class system. Officers and non-commisioned personal. Why do pilots have to be officers. Because they are responsible? A corporal could fly a helicopter better than some of those pilots.

The #2 thing they need to eliminate is trade jurisdiction over certain weapons and items. Why can't a radar operator be able to drive a rhib, or fire a 50 cal.or drive a armoured vehicle. This is a case and point of making it FUN for people in the CAF.

On a submarine everyone is cross-trained to operate all the equipment on the submarine. Go to a surface ship, nobody is. Same goes for why can't a grunt jump into a tank and drive it or shoot the big gun.

In the CAF during the business of cutting costs, they took trades and downgraded their training so they would not have to pay extra for specialist pay. Any trade that had a specialist component to it (meaning a higher pay at rank) was usually closed (too many people in it). Recruiters did not know when specialist pay kicked in (usually after a tech course).

 

[masterblaster]

Use

You forgot the most important piece of the puzzle.
Troop recruitment. This is the largest and most difficult part of the whole equation.
Without troops, the equipment list is mute.

Used to work with a guy who would say mute instead of moot. Always had a good laugh about it with my colleagues.

 

[80watts]

The US navy has 33 supply ships for 300 deployable vessels. You want 20 for roughly 50 ships....really. ???

In reality you got 3 coasts (west, east, north). Each coast should have 3 supply ships (1 in operation, 1 in maintennace, 1 in refit), that makes 9. For a deployment overseas, you'll need to send out 1 to 3. Now other countries could use our supply ships to help with their logistics 1-2.
Some of the supply ships could be pre-positioned carriers like the US marines have. The rest of the number would be oil tankers. Unless you want nuclear steam engines.

One thing the CAF dose not do is mothball ships for in time of need/conflict/war. This I think is stupid, as today war/conflict is very fast paced and it takes years to get a ship built. One of the things the US does awesome is mothball fleets and they have a steady construction of ships to keep people employed. When Trudeau told Trump that Canada would meet the Nato 2% GNP in 2030, he was basicly jacking his dick off in front of Trumps face.

Should someone mention "lets rent a ship to do that", I would like to bash their head in....

 

[uncleg]

In reality you got 3 coasts (west, east, north). Each coast should have 3 supply ships (1 in operation, 1 in maintennace, 1 in refit), that makes 9. For a deployment overseas, you'll need to send out 1 to 3. Now other countries could use our supply ships to help with their logistics 1-2.
Some of the supply ships could be pre-positioned carriers like the US marines have. The rest of the number would be oil tankers. Unless you want nuclear steam engines.

One thing the CAF dose not do is mothball ships for in time of need/conflict/war. This I think is stupid, as today war/conflict is very fast paced and it takes years to get a ship built. One of the things the US does awesome is mothball fleets and they have a steady construction of ships to keep people employed. When Trudeau told Trump that Canada would meet the Nato 2% GNP in 2030, he was basicly jacking his dick off in front of Trumps face.

Should someone mention "lets rent a ship to do that", I would like to bash their head in....

Thank (deity name here) you're a civilian.

 

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