2024 trends & changes?

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Yup I remember VE. They were the first ever agency I visited in Vic. They also had a sister agency called Wild Orchid or something. Met up with a legend named Audrey through that agency-- the first provider to properly blow my mind and to this day probably still the nicest breasts I've ever encountered. Great memories.



I think it's 100% that, at least in Vic. You often see those sorts of girls advertising oline only services on BP and I'm pretty sure that 10+ years ago a lot of those woman may have tried their hand at escorting.
And to delve back way in the past, who remembers Escape and Relax?
 
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And to delve back way in the past, who remembers Escape and Relax?
I used that agency twice. It had a quiet location on Speed across from Mayfair. I saw the same girl twice. The second visit was around 11pm and we were the only two people in the building. About halfway through our session there was a loud knock at the door. The girl started freaking out a little because she was worried it was her boyfriend (lol).
 
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I used that agency twice. It had a quiet location on Speed across from Mayfair. I saw the same girl twice. The second visit was around 11pm and we were the only two people in the building. About halfway through our session there was a loud knock at the door. The girl started freaking out a little because she was worried it was her boyfriend (lol).
and before that it was, for years, on Quadra. Must have visited there over 100 times. That's where i first met the fabulous Lucy, although she was Ginger there.
 

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Ah the good old days. Charlies Angelz was another gold mine in the pre-SVIP days. Harvie was the gold standard though, IMHO. I've been regular in the Vic scene for most of the last 20 years and for me the high water mark-- in terms of numbers & quality of girls, open minded service and inclusive reasonable rates--- was probably SVIPs circa 2013 - 2019. Pretty much every month Harvie would have 2-3 new girls working, with the majority of the being in the 19-21 age range. They were incredibly well vetted and mentored, and the rates reasonable. Some of them would become established in the industry, and others might only work for a few weeks or months only to disappear from the scene entirely.

People talk about "extras" being a new thing but while the current system is more egregious stuff like BBBJ, CIM, COF etc. have always involved upcharges in Vic. Also Victoria, while possibly the worst for it right now in BC, was by no means the first. Beach Bunnies in Kelowna has had a $100 upcharge for GFE (kissing/daty) for at least the last 10 years. At least at VIPs one could almost always expect kissing and DATY in the base rate. I live for DATY so adapting to having to pay extra for it has been a bummer. My suspicion is that the current rate structures we see in Vic originated in Alberta. Island's Finest, for example, has a parent company in Calgary.

Unlike some it seems 2024 was one of my most active years in a long time. I shared highlights of it here. In terms of overall qualitiy the providers I've met in 2024 have been as great as any previous year IMHO-- though it does seem to have slowed down in the final couple months. What has changed in recent years is that there are less younger women (19-21) getting into this in Vic. Perhaps the availability of options (Onlyfans, sugar dating) is in some part responsible for this, at least as far as Vic goes.

The biggest shift, as many have pointed out, is with the rates. However things are tough all over right now-- all aspects of the cost of living (housing, food, gas) have gone insane in recent years in Canada and only seem to be getting worse. Presently Canada is lower than Alabama (the poorest US state) in terms of purchasing power of the average person. So I guess (sadly) it's not surprising that what was already a luxury hobby has been placed more out of reach for many. I can already tell going in to 2025 that I'm going to have to be more selective and that I probably won't be making it to Vic as often.
Which agency in AB is IF's parent company? I was just wondering how you came by that info.
 
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Which agency in AB is IF's parent company? I was just wondering how you came by that info.
Lux Dollhouse. Heard it from a girl I saw once somewhere who worked for both agencies and knew the management when IF first got going.
 

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Lux Dollhouse. Heard it from a girl I saw once somewhere who worked for both agencies and knew the management when IF first got going.
Unless things have changed in Calgary, Agencies are nothing like they are here. Strictly out call so... the are merely a marketing website.
 
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Unless things have changed in Calgary, Agencies are nothing like they are here. Strictly out call so... the are merely a marketing website.
Doesn't mean it's not the same people running both businesses. Eiither way-- it's just something I heard as a curiosity. (However I did look at Lux's website once and noticed that many of IF's visiting girls seemed to come from there and many IF girls seemed to visit there.)
 

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I completely agree.and have said so before. Since they started that extra crap I have completely stopped going to the agencies, and girls suggesting “extras available”, a matter of principle for me not to add for example $50 for DFK. And this really is a matter of principle, I am not cheap. I would rather, and also do, spend $9000 on a business ticket to Bangkok (where the girls are legitimately trying to please you and all “Victoria extras” are automatically included in the asked for fee.which also happens to be more than reasonable.
I agree a well that the extras part has made me go less and seems to take away from what it was before the extras. The part I find interesting is there are a bunch of girls form agency's here who go to Vancouver to escort and over there all the extras that are charged for in Victoria are all included in the base rate in Van.

"though it does seem to have slowed down in the final couple months. What has changed in recent years is that there are less younger women (19-21) getting into this in Vic. Perhaps the availability of options (Onlyfans, sugar dating) is in some part responsible for this, at least as far as Vic goes."

Maybe this is the big factor as well. I am mainly into younger women as I am younger and have not seen that same youthful ladies joining in as of late.
 

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Oh wow, I forgot about Charlies Angelz, that takes me back.

Since we're romanticizing the past, anyone else remember Victoria's Eden? Such a sketch location behind Island Farms, but there were some wonderful girls there (Kari @ VE was easily one of my ATF's).



This is what I'm wondering too, has the advent of online services like OF partly (or mostly) drawn the "young college student trying to make ends meet" from the industry. 🤷‍♂️ I go back & forth on this as most girl's I've talked to about OF say you make next to nothing unless you luck out & somehow generate a big following, and these days OF is so over-saturated it's really hard for someone to "stand out" like that.
One other thing to consider:

In recent years there has been a substantial cultural pushback against the latest sexual revolution.

Women sleeping around has become much more looked down upon amongst younger men, and now that it's easier than ever to be ID'ed or have your secrets spilled online where they will remain forever, I can see why many young women don't pursue this option as the stubborn stain on their reputation to potential partners wouldn't be worth the meager earnings they would make on the side. No offense to any providers that read this, but it seems like this is a career only for the desperate to be joining at the moment, or those with supremely high self confidence who can block out the noise.

There seems to be some new, bizarre cultural push towards 'purity', being a trad wife, maintaining a high sexual value etc whereas for the previous couple of decades at least we were leaning more and more to sexual freedom, more female empowerment and less shame around sex for women.
 

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One other thing to consider:

In recent years there has been a substantial cultural pushback against the latest sexual revolution.

Women sleeping around has become much more looked down upon amongst younger men, and now that it's easier than ever to be ID'ed or have your secrets spilled online where they will remain forever, I can see why many young women don't pursue this option as the stubborn stain on their reputation to potential partners wouldn't be worth the meager earnings they would make on the side. No offense to any providers that read this, but it seems like this is a career only for the desperate to be joining at the moment, or those with supremely high self confidence who can block out the noise.

There seems to be some new, bizarre cultural push towards 'purity', being a trad wife, maintaining a high sexual value etc whereas for the previous couple of decades at least we were leaning more and more to sexual freedom, more female empowerment and less shame around sex for women.
Who I have in my bedroom and who I sleep with is my own business. It should not be a "gossip" point for other people to talk about. This goes toward women as well as men. Men and Women have sex drives/urges.
Cultural stigmas about being a "virgin" for the wedding night. This comes from church teachings (catholic and protestant), but mostly for the kids to be the man's kids. In midieval times more attains towards nobles and making sure the heir was his.... In Pagan times there was more exposed unmarried sex relations, but conversion to Christianity set boundaries on unmarried sex, especially calling out woman.

Pretty sure that this "virgin" thing was taught in elementary schools and high schools. This prob was to get less teen pregnancies.

The cultural stigma about woman that sleep with lots of men, is that she is a slut (wrong in every sense). Should she marry and only sleep with her spouse, its no ones business.
A man that sleeps around is a stud. A married man that sleeps around is acceptable in society. A married woman that sleeps around is not. I wonder why? Men should never be allowed to dictate what happens to a woman' body.

Men have to get over their egos and let go about how much a women sleeps with other men. But if the woman is still a SP, a man in a relationship with her has to overcome his ego and jealousy if his spouse is still sleeping with other men.

I don't think that women in the sex business (massage, FS, Dom etc) are desperate. A sex worker can make more money than the average person. Most SW have a high sex drive, so working in the sex industry is a plus for them. They make money and get to have sex.

In the 1980s Aids came along, and the use of condoms was pushed for all sex if not involved in a long term relationship. In the 2010s Prep came around and more people were not using condoms.


So I can see the advantages for society in being a virgin for marriage. On the other hand....
I see SW as a means of availability for men to have sex (younger men and sex drive), without having to marry. Also SWs give men a facility to experience fetishes that their wife won't do.

Also a trend more people using Prep and having sex without condoms. This seems to be prevalent among Trans, but not excluding SW that have long term clients. Prob due to fact that they give them 20+ BBBJ and have never tested positive for anything and that client only see them. It happens more than people want to admit it.

The problem is that 350/hr + 100 Anal + 100 BBBJ breaks the bank for the average pooner.

Sorry to say the really "pretty" ones charge 500-700 an hour.... so fetish and fantasy are out for the average pooner...
 
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First off, I apologize but I did not read your entire novel.

What I wrote is my opinion, but it is based on what I frequently hear from the younger guys I hire at work. I hear them shoot the shit and talk about their love life and this is what I pick up as a fly on the wall. This isn't necessarily how I see the world, but I acknowledge that a lot of young people do feel this way.

Nobody expects a virgin, but nobody wants to date a girl when all their buddies are subscribing her OF either. And unlike generations past when you could strip or SW your way through college or something and basically leave that part of your past behind for the most part, that doesn't really exist anymore. Look how many pornstars now regret doing what they did.

I'm not advocating anything or judging anyone. I want people to live their best lives and be their most authentic selves and be happy. If someone wants to get in to SW, go for it. But I do acknowledge that these attitudes exist and there are a lot of conflicting feelings out there about SW, and my post was more meant to convey that from what I hear it seems like attitudes towards sex work is tilting more conservative right now, and I'm sure will eventually shift again.
 
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There is definitely a trend towards conservatism happening among young people now, especially men. This an inevitable consequence of 1) the natural ebb and flow of societal trends, 2) the push towards far left insanity that's characterized much of the last 50 years and 3) the extent to which men and traditional masculinity has been demonized in recent times.

Sex work of the kind we all seek and enjoy is considered the oldest profession for a good reason-- I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon. A lot of younger women have been gravitating towards OF in recent years as it has the advantage of being "no contact" and entirely virtual. On the other hand the cost of this is that-- exclusive or not-- once someone's "content" hits the internet it's on the internet forever, whereas it's a lot more feasible, say, for someone to escort for a few years when they're younger, keep it almost entirely anonymous as far as her social circle and future life is concerned, and then leave this life entirely behind them if and when they so choose with no real chance of it coming back to haunt them later.
 

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There is definitely a trend towards conservatism happening among young people now, especially men. This an inevitable consequence of 1) the natural ebb and flow of societal trends, 2) the push towards far left insanity that's characterized much of the last 50 years and 3) the extent to which men and traditional masculinity has been demonized in recent times.
I think we've really veered off the original topic, but anyways: I don't see this at all. If anything I see the complete opposite. 🤷‍♂️

But anyways, rather than devolve this thread into rants about fragile masculinity, or how it's been "demonized" by the far left perhaps we could return to the original topic before the mods shut this thread down?
 
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Is there anyone here who recalls the days of going to Monday Magazine to see listings of the likes of Miss Mew, Rebecca’s, English Rose, and Venus?
Yep, I used the English Rose back in my early horny days and struck a goldmine.
The Rose was a rented couple of rooms in a small apt block and had a schedule of women that came in on demand as appts were booked.
I acutally saw my date drive up in a taxi and was suprised when she walked in the door after I checked in.
She was actually a student nurse earning extra money.. She was my very first provider and kept be hoping all of them would be like her, which of course they weren't.
Lipstick ring around my dick as she went down on me and everything I never could have dreamed about.. So sweet I wish I could have dated her afterwards.
They don't make agencies or women like that anymore. Victoria used to be a haven of rich choices at great affordable prices..
 

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Yep, I used the English Rose back in my early horny days and struck a goldmine.
The Rose was a rented couple of rooms in a small apt block and had a schedule of women that came in on demand as appts were booked.
I acutally saw my date drive up in a taxi and was suprised when she walked in the door after I checked in.
She was actually a student nurse earning extra money.. She was my very first provider and kept be hoping all of them would be like her, which of course they weren't.
Lipstick ring around my dick as she went down on me and everything I never could have dreamed about.. So sweet I wish I could have dated her afterwards.
They don't make agencies or women like that anymore. Victoria used to be a haven of rich choices at great affordable prices..
Wow, it's been years since I've been here.. but then, this review shows up, highighted by Carmen Caliente herself in 2015!
Talk about waxing nostalgic..I remember writing the review more than the session..:rolleyes:
https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/selena❤️sexy-hot-latina-is-back-to-town❤️.212876/#post-1603249
 

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Yep, I used the English Rose back in my early horny days and struck a goldmine.
The Rose was a rented couple of rooms in a small apt block and had a schedule of women that came in on demand as appts were booked.
I acutally saw my date drive up in a taxi and was suprised when she walked in the door after I checked in.
She was actually a student nurse earning extra money.. She was my very first provider and kept be hoping all of them would be like her, which of course they weren't.
Lipstick ring around my dick as she went down on me and everything I never could have dreamed about.. So sweet I wish I could have dated her afterwards.
They don't make agencies or women like that anymore. Victoria used to be a haven of rich choices at great affordable prices..
I think my favourite agency was Rebecca and Company. Rebecca was a real sweetheart and she always had a great selection.
 

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I agree a well that the extras part has made me go less and seems to take away from what it was before the extras. The part I find interesting is there are a bunch of girls form agency's here who go to Vancouver to escort and over there all the extras that are charged for in Victoria are all included in the base rate in Van.

"though it does seem to have slowed down in the final couple months. What has changed in recent years is that there are less younger women (19-21) getting into this in Vic. Perhaps the availability of options (Onlyfans, sugar dating) is in some part responsible for this, at least as far as Vic goes."

Maybe this is the big factor as well. I am mainly into younger women as I am younger and have not seen that same youthful ladies joining in as of late.
Yep, I think most younger women realize they can make better money becoming either insta-models or sugababies. leolist is basically a scam directory these days too
 
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