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LLLurkJ2

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Already on hitlist for shitting on Epstein's island that Mossad set up in incriminate, embarrass and blackmail high ranking American politicians and bureaucrats into filling Isreali weapon orders for free in exchange for massage and sex with underage youths.
Wow, you guys uave moved on fron the usual tropes about eating babies and the other shit from the 1930's . Must have new millenial writers/editors.
 

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Jesus and here I thought you were just the burger flipper at the old Fresgo's on Davie Street.
If you saw some of the people that I met with in that place, and you knew what they did you'd probably shit yourself.
Think Selous Scouts, SAS, JTF2..etc. All retired of course....but. In the 70's and 80's Vancouver probably had more retired Special Ops types living here then any other Commonwealth country.
 

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The Economist endorses Harris... total right wing magazine.

The Economist announces support for Harris
Thank God. When they supported George W. Bush, I cancelled my sub for 8 years. I think the choice this time was much better. And yes, it is total free market right wing who are almost always pushing the Conservative/Republican agenda. Apart from that 8 years, I have had a sub for 30 years. Apart from their pushing to the right some of the other content is very good.
 

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If you saw some of the people that I met with in that place, and you knew what they did you'd probably shit yourself.
Think Selous Scouts, SAS, JTF2..etc. All retired of course....but. In the 70's and 80's Vancouver probably had more retired Special Ops types living here then any other Commonwealth country.
And here I was just fucking my brains out as a young dude thinking everyone was doing what I was doing. Oh and enjoying late night Fresgos!! Didn't think all these 'colourful' folks were anything but.
 

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Thank God. When they supported George W. Bush, I cancelled my sub for 8 years. I think the choice this time was much better. And yes, it is total free market right wing who are almost always pushing the Conservative/Republican agenda. Apart from that 8 years, I have had a sub for 30 years. Apart from their pushing to the right some of the other content is very good.
Its funny because I find the Economist palatable for not being over the top like other magazines. They frequently have pieces raosing issues with inequality and unfair trade practices for example.
 

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Its funny because I find the Economist palatable for not being over the top like other magazines. They frequently have pieces raosing issues with inequality and unfair trade practices for example.
My issue is that they feel that the free market is the solution for everything not understanding how corrupt and ineffective business can be. Everyone always see on TV and in the written opinion pieces on how stupid government is. I have worked in private industry all my life and the screw ups that I see or have had to fix are just as excessive. Just getting old, tired and cranky. Looking forward to the end of the election. I hope Harris wins. But i fear that SCOTUS and the various Republican efforts to steal the election may prevent that.

Back to the Economist. In the past, they have celebrated people like Elon Musk and give them the benefit of the doubt, etc. But you are right, they are not as biased as the WSJ or many of the right wing business press.
 

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Kamala would rather lose than show some empathy towards palestinians or criticize israel's genocide

It is a cold & cynical calculation on the part of the DNC - it always is.
Yes, a lot of activists & Arab Americans would like to walk away from the Dems for their moral cowardice on the war crimes & genocide issue.
There is some small chance they'll sit out the vote, as a "fuck you, you're no better than the GOP" statement, but if they have been paying attention to the issue at all, they also know that might trigger something even worse.
Trump will happily green-light Israel openly committing genocide & conquest, without even the pantomime of pretending to ask for ceasefires which they know will never happen. Netanyahu gets literally everything he wants if Trump wins. Free bombs & missiles, total diplomatic cover. US military waging war on their behalf to keep other powers from interfering. And when Trump talks about using the US military & police to strike down political "enemies within" the US, those campaigning for Palestinians' right to exist will be the first ones on that list.
 
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Biden could have stopped the genocide any moment with a phone call if he wanted, they have all the leverage over israel but they have decided not to use it and cosign the war crimes. Kamala only answers with word salad and deflection when asked on the matter. she would rather lose to trump than be an obstacle to israel

Not a phone call, but refusing to sell them any bombs - limit their aid to only air-defense missiles. It takes away their capacity for airstrikes, but defends them from drone & rocket strikes.
Yes, he could cut off aid entirely, and they are certainly wealthy enough to pay for armaments rather than be handed them as gifts, but this is how it would be done.
Not phone calls and strongly-worded letters to an Israeli PM that basically gives zero fucks what the US president says, knowing there is a coin-flip chance of the next one doing anything he wants.
 

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What many of these posts show is the Death of Compromise. In my opinion, successful outcomes from politicians depend on them creating the compromises necessary to address issues and keep all of us working together (or at least not killing each other). But we see the unravelling of compromise throughout the society. So that we have the extremists in politics seizing the conversation should not be surprising. And I actually think that the Mods are pretty tolerant here and have a good job dealing with all of us.

The death of diplomacy preceded it. Countries used to make deals that recognized each others interests, allowing for the fact that other nations were allowed to have their own interests.
But that whole notion was strangled to death in the "peace" that followed the end of the cold war, by those who wanted to dictate a unipolar world order. "It turned into We get everything we want, and anyone who wants something else should just get out of our way before they get hurt."
The result was not the acceptance of that world order, but instead a world of escalating connivance and aggression. The public basically just ignored this, believing only different flavours of what they were told to believe, accepting things that in the past they would have questioned or even rejected as going too far.

Compromise died out there in the world of international politics, and domestic politics in "democracies" (and increasingly hollow term) got ever creepier because at the behest of powerful oligarchs, the techniques of tradecraft & war-fighting got applied to the domestic political scene. That led to a public who have bought into the idea that aggressive ignorance can just be substituted for facts, and which has dismissed the possibility that they might be getting manipulated into acting as a weapon for the very people who swindle & harm them.

Yeah, compromise, RIP. Along with so many other principles, rotting in some mass grave which society dug for itself.
 
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You go on about how these countries have never seen true Democracy.....well we have, how's it working for you ? America, the beacon of Democracy....you really think that that is a shining example of what the Middle East should be striving for ? I operated in the Middle East for a number of years and dealt with the PLO, the SLA, the Druse, Hezbollah in it's infancy and various other fringe groups. The man I was working for was arrested and charged in the USA for smuggling nuclear technology to Israel. I played in that sandbox and I do know what genocide is. I've come face to face with it, have you ?
Few people seem to pay that much attention. It's like they think events just happen out of the blue, which of course is never the case. Agendas are more constant than people realize, and there is logic operating behind all the seeming chaos.
 
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Its funny because I find the Economist palatable for not being over the top like other magazines. They frequently have pieces raosing issues with inequality and unfair trade practices for example.
My issue is that they feel that the free market is the solution for everything not understanding how corrupt and ineffective business can be. Everyone always see on TV and in the written opinion pieces on how stupid government is. I have worked in private industry all my life and the screw ups that I see or have had to fix are just as excessive. Just getting old, tired and cranky. Looking forward to the end of the election. I hope Harris wins. But i fear that SCOTUS and the various Republican efforts to steal the election may prevent that.

Back to the Economist. In the past, they have celebrated people like Elon Musk and give them the benefit of the doubt, etc. But you are right, they are not as biased as the WSJ or many of the right wing business press.

The Economist is a solidly neocon/neolib publication (and those two things are very close together politically).
They are the voice of the moneyed elite, and staunchy anti-populist, because whether it is real or fake, they dislike anything that's disruptive to the global market system. (Not "disrupt" like the trendy business term either.)
So if they are un-endorsing Trump despite his solidly pro-rich-people economic policies, perhaps they have calculated that if he does half the things he has promised socially, it might tip the USA into openly violent conflict. In other words they see him as a problem-creator, not a problem-solver, even for their elite class.
 

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I liked the video of trump trying to get into the garbage truck for his goofy stunt. The old feeb almost feel down when he was grabbing for the door handle.

There was a comedian who posted a video on line and claimed he was driving the garbage truck, he was making fun of trump and his dumb maga supporters. Lots of them got sucked in, too dumb to figure out it was satire.
 
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