2024 Canadian Political Thread

[overdone]

You misunderstand the oil industry in Canada.

The federal government receives virtually none of the revenue from oil and gas, so it obviously can't use it to "get rid of the debt."

The Alberta government receives some of the revenue through royalties, but even Alberta has managed to run up $80 billion of accumulated debt.

Alberta governments--conservative for almost the entire history of the province--gave away most of the province's oil and gas assets to foreigners.

Thus, 75% of oil and gas revenues flow to owners and shareholders outside of Canada--mostly the USA.

Alberta could be rolling in dough. Unfortunately, Albertans tend to vote for morons who couldn't run peanut stands. AKA conservatives.

But yeah, tell me again how bad Trudeau is.

yes, Alberta has had useless leaders, they've run deficits for years claiming they were surpluses, much like all gov't now, creative accounting, much like BC's been doing for well over a decade

royalties, yes, pennies on the barrel, gas was where all the money came from for the demented drunk Klien to claim to pay down the debt for 4 short years

feds not getting their cut? hardly

take AB out of federalism, Canada is broke, take us out of the CPP, see what happens

take us out of EI, see what happens

take our tax base out, see what happens

the rest of Canada will look like the east coast

oil/gas is the number one export in Canada

the taxes, from oil/gas companies, not to mention their well paid employees, *(the reason why AB has the highest incomes all the time)

the real reason why we're not rolling in dough in AB, cause we hit over our weight and have been for 50 years, BUT IT GETS SUCKED OUT, BY NUMEROUS WAYS, INCLUDING THE FEDS

Trudeau the first, never heard of the NEP?

people with talk like yours keep mentioning Norway, Norway is a country, with the same pop as AB

it doesn't have 30+ million other leeches taking it's money

If AB had all it's oil revenue to itself, even with the incompetent premiers, it could have easily put away 500 Billion or more


Trudeau is still 5X worse, he's spending at a rate no other PM has outside of wartime, per person by so far it's not even close

Harper was right, Kenney was right, not ready, intellectual depth of a finger bowl


and the "debt" was mostly run up by the NDP in 4 short years in AB

just like the Turd has doubled our federal debt in 5 short years

and has no plan to stop adding, ever

BAD?

THERE IS NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF CANADA WHO COMES EVEN CLOSE TO BEING SECOND

EXCEPT HIS IDIOT FATHER, WHO LOOKS GOOD COMPARED TO THE SPERM THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SWALLOWED

 

[Crookedmember]

The govt can easily apply an export tax on new oil revenues and develop Canadian self sufficiency in oil production, it’s ridiculous to be importing Saudi oil when we have our own supply. This environment minister is a fool who has no business pulling the strings, we are a cold weather country and gas should always be a priority for our own use. These morons will be gone in the next election and it’s long overdue.

The provinces control their resources. It is in the Constitution Act of 1867.

We don't import Saudi oil. The Conservative Irving family buys it for their New Brunswick Irving Oil refinery. They buy it because it's cheaper and have said they wouldn't buy more Canadian oil even if a pipeline were built. Google it.

We are a large net exporter of oil and gas. We export ten times as much as we import. What we import is mostly for convenience and from the United States. So, let's tell the Americans we're not going to import their oil any longer and see what they do.

Regardless of what the batshit crazy government of Alberta thinks, the world is switching to renewable energy. Because it will be cheaper than oil that is priced by dictators and cartels on the other side of the world. Nations that don't switch will no longer be competitive.

 

[Crookedmember]

The carbon tax in Canada is one big Three Card Monte circle jerk.

It his having almost zero effect on global emissions.

Let's put a big tax on gasoline and then turn around and give people back part of what we took from them.

In the meantime, the money goes into general revenue.

Which "carbon tax" are you talking about?

The one conservative Jean Charest gave Quebec in 2007?

The one Gordon Campbell's de facto conservatives gave BC in 2008?

The one Stephen Harper campaigned on in 2015?

Be specific to avoid confusion.

 

[Crookedmember]

"just like the Turd has doubled our federal debt in 5 short years"

Actually the biggest contributors to the debt were Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper. Between the the two of them, they added nearly $650 billion to the accumulated debt at a time when the economy was much, much smaller.

And they didn't even have pandemics do deal with.

You guys need to stop relying on Facebook memes for your information.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

Im not a Lib voter, but just for shitz & giglez imagine Trudy was replaced by another Liberal leader: What Liberal party policies are good/bad?

 

[Drjohn]

Which "carbon tax" are you talking about?

The one conservative Jean Charest gave Quebec in 2007?

The one Gordon Campbell's de facto conservatives gave BC in 2008?

The one Stephen Harper campaigned on in 2015?

Be specific to avoid confusion.

I am referring to the Trudeau/Singh/Liberal/NDP carbon tax that is going up 17 cents s liter this April 1st.

That's the one.

It won't be around much longer.

Enjoy it while you can.

 

[Crookedmember]

I am referring to the Trudeau/Singh/Liberal/NDP carbon tax that is going up 17 cents s liter this April 1st.

That's the one.

It won't be around much longer.

Enjoy it while you can.

You're obviously confused.

If you're in BC, the Gordon Campbell conservative carbon tax is going up 3 cents per litre on April 1.

In the provinces where the federal carbon tax applies, Ontario, Saskatchewan, the April 1 increase is 3 cents per litre. There will also be a corresponding increase in the carbon rebate.

You should get your facts straight before you post. I would suggest a higher quality source for your news.

 

[Drjohn]

You're obviously confused.

If you're in BC, the Gordon Campbell conservative carbon tax is going up 3 cents per litre on April 1.

In the provinces where the federal carbon tax applies, Ontario, Saskatchewan, the April 1 increase is 3 cents per litre. There will also be a corresponding increase in the carbon rebate.

You should get your facts straight before you post. I would suggest a higher quality source for your news.

Not confused.

I was obviously referring to the federal carbon tax. You know that.

I'm aware of the jurisdictional differences.

The day will come when the BC carbon tax will be a historical footnote.

The carbon tax concept is a failed concept.

I know you will trot out all sorts of stats.

I don't care.

Like I said before, enjoy your taxes while you can.

 

[masterblaster]

Im not a Lib voter, but just for shitz & giglez imagine Trudy was replaced by another Liberal leader: What Liberal party policies are good/bad?

Construction of the Avro Arrow. Was the last worthwhile liberal policy.

 

[zippy45]

Not confused.

I was obviously referring to the federal carbon tax. You know that.

I'm aware of the jurisdictional differences.

The day will come when the BC carbon tax will be a historical footnote.

The carbon tax concept is a failed concept.

I know you will trot out all sorts of stats.

I don't care.

Like I said before, enjoy your taxes while you can.

Basically it looks to me like you are saying I know you will troll out stats proving me wrong but I don't care. Never let the truth get in the way of a good argument

 

[appleomac]

Actually the biggest contributors to the debt were Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper. Between the the two of them, they added nearly $650 billion to the accumulated debt at a time when the economy was much, much smaller.

You are partially correct in that Mulroney was the largest contributor to Canada's federal debt, UNTIL JT came along. That said, how is 2 former PM's (i.e. Mulroney and Harper) contributing $600 odd billion (in inflation adjusted dollars) over 18 years (i.e. their roughly combined time in office) "worse than" JT adding about the same amount to Canada's federal debt in half the time?

You don't give Harper a pass for his deficits (for some reason, even when his total deficits are magnitudes lower than both Mulroney and JT) - but apparently, JT gets a pass on his??? Saying nothing for the fact that instead of comparing JT to other individual PM's - you have to compare to 2 PM's with double the time in office compared to JT to make some "comparison." That's like saying serial killer A is "not as bad" as serial killer B and C because B and C (combined) killed as many people as A (alone) - that's some impressive stretch of the imagination to justify gawd knows what you're actually trying to say/justify. If, by your own words/beliefs, Mulroney's combined deficits are "bad", by that same standard JT's are also "bad" (as his combined deficits are larger). And why Harper is even being compared to both Mulroney and JT when it comes to combined deficits is odd - Harper's combined deficits are magnitudes lower than either JT's or Mulroney's.

Deficit spending ballooned in the mid 70's and pretty much continued that path for nearly 2 decades. And what followed was the massive cuts of the mid/late 90's. If you truly believe Harper's time in office was a period of "massive deficits" (which you seem to be implying). Well then, we are approaching another 2 decades of massive deficits (Harper + Trudeau is almost 2 decades in office). History doesn't always repeat itself - but the last time this country had 2 decades of ballooning deficits/debt, massive spending cuts (what your kind like to call "austerity") ensued. Instead of learning from history, you seem to want to cherry pick about "this" or "that" PM.

 

[overdone]

https://globalnews.ca/news/10329593/global-co2-emissions-report


to all the delude here who think carbon taxes are working

this is reality, more people=more emissions

the tech isn't there yet, probably decades away if ever

battery storage is the only way, probably, it would bankrupt anyone who would try now, go look at what it would cost for a industrial sized city

only other way is to destroy your economy to the cave man ages

recessions reduce emissions

people keep pretending this is workable, while pretending that the 3rd world isn't there, they're basing this on the 1st world

while the 3rd world is where the majority of the world pop is, where they don't have basic energy/power/lights/cars/air conditioning/heat/stoves

delusions are great



like we've got a pharmacare deal, like the idiot Liberals/NDP can make it better, just like they did with childcare welfare, both Provincial powers

or all the other welfare ideas they've brought in that are bankrupting us

the private sector is where wealth is created, for the gov't to consume, every dollar gov't gets has to come from there, it's why socialism/commies don't work, the right mix, we've passed it

after 4 yrs of Trudeau, the slide is just continuing, the next poor fuck that comes along will have to clean the shit show up, it's going to take years, maybe decades



Trudeau had killed any investment in Canada, by outside or even now inside, people in Canada are investing more outside than they do in Canada now

giving companies welfare isn't investment, it's just welfare

all we're doing is getting poorer

the pie is getting sliced up into more pieces, while it's not growing

if it was working, reality, facts would show it was

 

[Crookedmember]

Not confused.

I was obviously referring to the federal carbon tax. You know that.

I think you are confused. If you live in BC, why are more concerned about a federal tax that doesn't exist in BC, than a tax that has existed in BC for the last 16 years?

A tax that was introduced by a conservative BC regime before Trudeau even entered politics.

 

[Bobert1969]

From the government of Canada…



The fact that we’re getting taxed so much for fuel/carbon in order to encourage the move to renewables is nothing more than a money grab with the double benefit of virtue signaling. The total reduction of all the developed nations’ collective carbon output is literally canceled out by the increased output of China alone. This is between 2005 and 2020 so if China had been in line with everyone else the total GHG emission levels for the top ten countries would be far less today than it is, arguably between 10% and 20% lower. China went from contributing 1/5 of all GHG to 1/3. If Canada were to reach net zero tomorrow , it would mean sweet fuck all for the bigger picture. No one would notice.

 

[Drjohn]

I think you are confused. If you live in BC, why are more concerned about a federal tax that doesn't exist in BC, than a tax that has existed in BC for the last 16 years?

A tax that was introduced by a conservative BC regime before Trudeau even entered politics.

Still not confused.

You're missing my point

I don't believe in any carbon taxes.

You seem to think they're great.

Enjoy them while they last.

 

[appleomac]

We don't import Saudi oil. The Conservative Irving family buys it for their New Brunswick Irving Oil refinery. They buy it because it's cheaper and have said they wouldn't buy more Canadian oil even if a pipeline were built. Google it.

You say "we don't import Saudi oil" - which is not true. Then you go on to say Saudi oil is refined at the Irving Refinery - which is true, in the past pretty much all the Saudi oil Canada imports went to the Irving Refinery. So, which is it, do we import Saudi crude or not?

You further state that the Irving Refinery "wouldn't buy more Canadian oil..." - that's also incorrect. The Irving Refinery didn't want to purchase Bakken Shale oil. Now, if you know anything about Bakken crude, it's primarily a US sourced crude. Bakken crude is primarily extracted in the US, although if you know anything about the Bakken formation, it does include parts of Saskatchewan - but the amount of Bakken crude Canada extracts is rather low compared to the US. The main point however, Irving very much is willing to buy Canadian crude. They supported Energy-East and was prepared to spend 100's of millions to upgrade their facilities to accept Alberta crude. Ultimately Energy-East was scrapped because of opposition (mainly) from Quebec. Irving was also willing to accept Canadian crude via tankers - oil piped to BC, put on tankers and brought to Atlantic Canada via the Panama Canal. In fact, Irving got approval for this plan. And further, the first tanker shipment of Alberta crude to the Irving Refinery was news in, if I recall, 2020 or 2021.

I don't know where you get your info/knowledge about the Canadian oil business - much of what you are stating shows that you don't have even a shallow (let alone deep and fulsome) knowledge of the oil business.

 

[licks2nite]

Fired scientists at Winnipeg lab worked closely and covertly with Chinese government, CSIS report says

OTTAWA — The Canadian Security Intelligence Service determined that one of two scientists fired from Canada’s most secure microbiology lab worked closely and covertly with Chinese government labs and collaborated with “institutions whose goals have potentially lethal military applications.”
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/fired-winnipeg-scientists-worked-with-chinese-csis

The Winnipeg Level 4 biolab one of 51 highest rated biolabs in the world, found in 27 countries.

Maybe a bigger question. If the 2 were escorted out of the Winnipeg biolab in 2019 why did it take until 2021 to fire them. And why until a few days ago to find out about it.

 

[Drjohn]

Fired scientists at Winnipeg lab worked closely and covertly with Chinese government, CSIS report says
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OTTAWA — The Canadian Security Intelligence Service determined that one of two scientists fired from Canada’s most secure microbiology lab worked closely and covertly with Chinese government labs and collaborated with “institutions whose goals have potentially lethal military applications.”
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/fired-winnipeg-scientists-worked-with-chinese-csis

The Winnipeg Level 4 biolab one of 51 highest rated biolabs in the world, found in 27 countries.

Maybe a bigger question. If the 2 were escorted out of the Winnipeg biolab in 2019 why did it take until 2021 to fire them. And why until a few days ago to find out about it.

Remember when spies were executed or at least put in prison?

Now they're "escorted out".

Welcome to Canada

 

[Crookedmember]

Wow. Thanks for those fancy graphs and figures and stuff.

You telling me Canada's GHG emissions remained essentially the same from 2005 to 2020 in spite of the population growing by 20%?

 

[Bobert1969]

Wow. Thanks for those fancy graphs and figures and stuff.

You telling me Canada's GHG emissions remained essentially the same from 2005 to 2020 in spite of the population growing by 20%?

No, the government of Canada is telling you this.