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Companies that contract Chinese fabricators are moving to other countries.
Almost every shoe I bought used to be made in China ( except for Trickers) now they are all Vietnam or Malaysia.
If enough leave China it will be a big problem.
This is why China wants Taiwan. China doesn’t care about unification or culture. China wants Taiwan chip making facilities and Taiwan carbon and metal working factories.

If China has a big unemployment problem they might solve it the Putin way. Create a foreign enemy to unify the domestic population and start a war to keep everyone busy and agitated.
It is China itself that is subcontracting to other countries.
The cost of labour is high enough in China that basic textiles industries are being outsourced to countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, and Bangladesh. The economies of those three countries are absolutely booming, thanks to China.
 
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The one thing I'm seeing is the support for Palestine, and the marches/protest in favour of the Palestinians. In Toronto there was a march to boycott a Israeli' brand coffee house.
So do all the Israeli and Palestinians living in Canada, are they bringing their feud here? Maybe.

If anyone looks at the Hamas doctrine (written ideas), they want nothing more than to kill every last Jew. They are on a Jihad. Their best tactic is terror raids and rocket bombings and then hide among the rest of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
Israel fought wars in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel
Ok its been one constant war with terrorist organizations and other Muslim countries in the area Israel is in. The biggest difference is the GNP of the countries around Israel, they are all poor countries. Need to distract your citizens, start a war. Needless to say every time those surrounding countries started a conflict with Israel, they lost big time.
Israel policy of responding to every terrorist attack, is usually over the top, because not responding strongly looks like a weakness.
The Gaza, and West Bank situation could be settled if all the surrounding countries took the Palestinians that do not part of the conflict, but they don't, because they don't want any more trouble makers in their country or by trapping them there hope the innocent will get killed, more atrocities committed by Israel or so they could wish. Gaza has received millions of dollars in Aid over the years, that money has gone to making war with Israel and not bettering the lives of the Palestinians in Gaza.

Alot of people don't want to think about this conflict, war is a brutal conflict and the innocent will suffer. Israel is going go into Gaza and kill as many Hamas they can find. Alot of innocent Palestinians will get killed, including women and children. Its gonna happen. And people will want some one to blame. They rarely blame themselves, so they blame the other guy.. Generational hatred is what is happening.

I guess I have to add a solution. Well, take land from Egypt about 3-4 times the size of Gaza on the Mediterranean coast, build Rod plants for water, solar for energy, build farms. Teach them to feed themselves. While busy farming, they will be too busy to think about fighting.
Allow the Palestinians to own the land, and create small businesses to help support their community in the newly created Southern Gaza. Gaza will be raised to the ground and new infrastructure will be build for hospitals, universities, and tourist hotels and farming.
But hey should this work, guess what, some fucken idiot will launch rockets into Israel in less than 5 years.
 

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Companies that contract Chinese fabricators are moving to other countries.
Almost every shoe I bought used to be made in China ( except for Trickers) now they are all Vietnam or Malaysia.
If enough leave China it will be a big problem.
This is why China wants Taiwan. China doesn’t care about unification or culture. China wants Taiwan chip making facilities and Taiwan carbon and metal working factories.

If China has a big unemployment problem they might solve it the Putin way. Create a foreign enemy to unify the domestic population and start a war to keep everyone busy and agitated.
And if they invade Taiwan, the population of China will starve, because it relies on food imports. But with 50 or more conventional submarines, they will stifle world trade in those choke points in Malaysia and Indonesia. But China need those routes open for oil.
 

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Israel likes to hide behind a rhetorically biased history of the situation... this is a great short documentary about the conflict, related by Jewish historians and made by the German public broadcaster:

Israel - Birth of a state | DW Documentary

but the history is pretty simple... a large population looked at a map, and decided to move there en mass to create a state that discriminates in favour of their culture, religion and societal values. the only problem is... people were already living there. so, this shit is going to happen and Israel has no real solution to the problem of 9 million Palestinians that live on lands that they want to absorb for their exclusive use.

you reap what you sow. people talk about Hamas official statements that they exist to eliminate all Jews in Israel etc... while Israel refuses to acknowledge Palestine and kills hundreds of them every year. its easy to find Israeli rhetoric stating that there is no such thing as a Palestinian! and yet, whatever you want to call them... these people exist. as Noam Chomsky used to say... "if you don't like terrorism, then stop being a terrorist".

Palestinian children throwing rocks are shot dead all the time. its legal!
Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2023
thousands of Palestinian homes are bulldozed by Israel every year so that rich Jewish immigrants can build new homes:
Israeli demolition of Palestinian property
or evicted from their homes so that Jewish people can just move in as is:
Israel: UN experts condemn forced eviction of east Jerusalem families
Israel wants all of the West Bank and Gaza for themselves. they are ensuring that Palestinians will never have a future on lands they've inhabited alongside Jews, Muslims, Christians and others for centuries:
International law and Israeli settlements
its illegal to raise the Palestinian flag! thousands of Palestinians are incarcerated without charge or trial for decades:
Palestinian prisoners in Israel

Israel refuses to comply with the Geneva Convention and International Law for decades. Only this year the UN passed a resolution of the ICJ to look into the legality of the Israel Apartheid state:
Legal consequences arising from the policies and practices of Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory including East Jerusalem
and Israel continues to support ultra nationalist corruption. Reports suggest Netanyahu knew this was coming, and that would be a great distraction from his attempts at not going to prison for corruption:
Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu
or attempting to pass laws that allow his government to overrule the supreme court, thus keeping him from rotting in a prison sell:
2023 Israeli judicial reform protests

its amazing that western liberal cultures with large Jewish populations are so prone to denounce humanitarian violence perpetrated by other states that discriminate based on religion (and there are lots of them) and yet... its OK if Israel does the same.
 
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Israel likes to hide behind a rhetorically biased history of the situation... this is a great short documentary about the conflict, related by Jewish historians and made by the German public broadcaster:

Israel - Birth of a state | DW Documentary

but the history is pretty simple... a large population looked at a map, and decided to move there en mass to create a state that discriminates in favour of their culture, religion and societal values. the only problem is... people were already living there. so, this shit is going to happen and Israel has no real solution to the problem of 9 million Palestinians that live on lands that they want to absorb for their exclusive use.

you reap what you sow. people talk about Hamas official statements that they exist to eliminate all Jews in Israel etc... while Israel refuses to acknowledge Palestine and kills hundreds of them every year. its easy to find Israeli rhetoric stating that there is no such thing as a Palestinian! and yet, whatever you want to call them... these people exist. as Noam Chomsky used to say... "if you don't like terrorism, then stop being a terrorist".

Palestinian children throwing rocks are shot dead all the time. its legal!
Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2023
thousands of Palestinian homes are bulldozed by Israel every year so that rich Jewish immigrants can build new homes:
Israeli demolition of Palestinian property
or evicted from their homes so that Jewish people can just move in as is:
Israel: UN experts condemn forced eviction of east Jerusalem families
Israel wants all of the West Bank and Gaza for themselves. they are ensuring that Palestinians will never have a future on lands they've inhabited alongside Jews, Muslims, Christians and others for centuries:
International law and Israeli settlements
its illegal to raise the Palestinian flag! thousands of Palestinians are incarcerated without charge or trial for decades:
Palestinian prisoners in Israel

Israel refuses to comply with the Geneva Convention and International Law for decades. Only this year the UN passed a resolution of the ICJ to look into the legality of the Israel Apartheid state:
Legal consequences arising from the policies and practices of Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory including East Jerusalem
and Israel continues to support ultra nationalist corruption. Reports suggest Netanyahu knew this was coming, and that would be a great distraction from his attempts at not going to prison for corruption:
Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu
or attempting to pass laws that allow his government to overrule the supreme court, thus keeping him from rotting in a prison sell:
2023 Israeli judicial reform protests

its amazing that western liberal cultures with large Jewish populations are so prone to denounce humanitarian violence perpetrated by other states that discriminate based on religion (and there are lots of them) and yet... its OK if Israel does the same.
Well I think Hamas will know the word Karma in the coming days and weeks. There is a distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people, what exactly is the relationship between the two is unknown/hard to determine.
You might want to ask why the IDF has the iron dome system... Rockets that are fired from Gaza and southern Lebanon. Ever since the early days of Israel in 1947, the IDF has always taken a tough stance against attacks on its civilians.

"its amazing that western liberal cultures with large Jewish populations are so prone to denounce humanitarian violence perpetrated by other states that discriminate based on religion (and there are lots of them) and yet... its OK if Israel does the same."

Please explain to me what "humanitarian violence" is. At best its a oxy-moron. If you are saying the Jews are targeting the Arabs because of their Muslim religion, thats more of a Christian thing to do (you know the Crusades ), its more about protecting themselves and maintaining their state of Israel. That dosen't mean that Israel dosen't have its own minority right wing fucked up racists.

You might want to explain why the UN wanted to create the state of Israel in the first place. Shortly after WW2 and the jewish holocaust. It was to be a 2 state plan that the jews agreed to and the arabs did not (And the jews were getting the shitter land -mostly desert and the land that most jewish people already had). So when the British left in 1948, the jews declared independance in 1948. Then Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon, and Iraq attacked Israel.

These same arab countries that would try and get more land, won't take any refugees in from Palestine. In fact Jordan kicked alot of them out of the West Bank when they controlled it from 1948 (they went to southern Lebanon and really fucked up that country).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine Any one see why the British wanted to get out??

Both side have done very bad things...
 
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I like the sentiment, but the reality is different. People that live in war torn areas do not have that mindset. They just want to survive and earn a living for their family. Only people that live in a relative secure area and have that naive reaction. The flower power of make love not war, still when the boot-strapped police smashed protests, the students fought back. Today violence of any kind is frowned on, but the problem is its a deep seated human reaction, that we humans will never get rid of.

Just as some idiot protestor calls for the PM to call for a ceasefire in Gaza. The reality is the idiot just dosen't know anything about Canada.
1. Canada dosen't have strong economic ties with Israel,
2. Canada has shit for military equipment and lacks the personal when pushing comes to shoving,
3 Canada is a declining international power because we kow-tow to the US too often, or it let the US do what it wants to do as long as its in our pathline/goals,
4 The US backs Israel 100% in this, and Canada doesn't want to upset it biggest trading partner.

The one thing I do hope is that the conflict that is happening over in the middle east does not come here to Canada. Apparently there is a rise in Antisemitism in Canada. I don't know why. Is it more troubled economic times, people getting poorer. Or are people being influenced by social media or biased information there.
 

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Make Love, Not War
Easy to say when you’re a safe distance away.
And hamas would execute you without a second thought for your decadent lifestyle.
Remember ISIS throwing homos off tall buildings as their religious leaders instructed?
Remember Iran beating women to death for not covering their hair?
The talibankilling people for listening to music?
You are so naive.
These fundamentals laugh at you for being weak. They do not want peace. They want to impose sharia globally. They say that all over the internet.
At least the Jews tolerate others.
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Beverly Hills. In the Kitchen eatin' vittles.
I’m no expert on this region or the history of this conflict to comment other than to say rather than protesting against Israel maybe these Palestinian supporters should be protesting against the fact Hamas sets up command centres in refugee camps and hospitals. They store weapons and fuel under schools and hospitals. Launch rockets from residential buildings. It is Hamas who is choosing to turn these places into military targets not Israel.
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here's an expert, at least in international law, which most of the useful idiots in the west in our media try to mislead about in the case of Israel

too bad we don't give time to intelligent people like her more often

we might not have so many pro terrorist sympathizers in our mist



 

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Israel likes to hide behind a rhetorically biased history of the situation... this is a great short documentary about the conflict, related by Jewish historians and made by the German public broadcaster:

Israel - Birth of a state | DW Documentary

but the history is pretty simple... a large population looked at a map, and decided to move there en mass to create a state that discriminates in favour of their culture, religion and societal values. the only problem is... people were already living there. so, this shit is going to happen and Israel has no real solution to the problem of 9 million Palestinians that live on lands that they want to absorb for their exclusive use.

you reap what you sow. people talk about Hamas official statements that they exist to eliminate all Jews in Israel etc... while Israel refuses to acknowledge Palestine and kills hundreds of them every year. its easy to find Israeli rhetoric stating that there is no such thing as a Palestinian! and yet, whatever you want to call them... these people exist. as Noam Chomsky used to say... "if you don't like terrorism, then stop being a terrorist".

Palestinian children throwing rocks are shot dead all the time. its legal!
Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2023
thousands of Palestinian homes are bulldozed by Israel every year so that rich Jewish immigrants can build new homes:
Israeli demolition of Palestinian property
or evicted from their homes so that Jewish people can just move in as is:
Israel: UN experts condemn forced eviction of east Jerusalem families
Israel wants all of the West Bank and Gaza for themselves. they are ensuring that Palestinians will never have a future on lands they've inhabited alongside Jews, Muslims, Christians and others for centuries:
International law and Israeli settlements
its illegal to raise the Palestinian flag! thousands of Palestinians are incarcerated without charge or trial for decades:
Palestinian prisoners in Israel

Israel refuses to comply with the Geneva Convention and International Law for decades. Only this year the UN passed a resolution of the ICJ to look into the legality of the Israel Apartheid state:
Legal consequences arising from the policies and practices of Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory including East Jerusalem
and Israel continues to support ultra nationalist corruption. Reports suggest Netanyahu knew this was coming, and that would be a great distraction from his attempts at not going to prison for corruption:
Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu
or attempting to pass laws that allow his government to overrule the supreme court, thus keeping him from rotting in a prison sell:
2023 Israeli judicial reform protests

its amazing that western liberal cultures with large Jewish populations are so prone to denounce humanitarian violence perpetrated by other states that discriminate based on religion (and there are lots of them) and yet... its OK if Israel does the same.

This piece of real estate on this planet has been in constant change & flux for the past 6000+years with so many different groups in control and dominating the humans who have been living there. When you look at earth from outer space do you see any borders or lines drawn to demarcate areas. Look how much almost every land piece on this planet has shape shifted since recorded history. Humans do not deserve to live on this piece of dirt floating in space.
 

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.. . . but the history is pretty simple... a large population looked at a map, and decided to move there en mass to create a state that discriminates in favour of their culture, religion and societal values. the only problem is... people were already living there. so, this shit is going to happen and Israel has no real solution to the problem of 9 million Palestinians that live on lands that they want to absorb for their exclusive use. . .
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Ya, not really the popular point of view but it needs to be said, heard, and considered.
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It reminded me of this meme:
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This was a good common sense interview discussing the situation, Iran is definitely pulling some strings here.
 

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The other perspective is that Gaza is a ghetto (in the Poland 1939 sense), and they fight back from gradual expulsion/extermination by big attention-getting acts of armed resistance. Do they actually stand a chance against an Israeli military that can literally crush all its neighbours simultaneously, and which has nukes, AND which has the US sitting just offshore to bomb any country that might step in an say "hey, stop that" ? They also have the Americans' UN veto power at their disposal whenever they want it. No, of course not. Extremism thrives in desperate conditions, and that place has been blockaded for years; two million people crowded into an open air prison camp. Even with that, most of the people are not part of Hamas; they get targetted anyway, because the IDF will definitely kill 100 of them to get to one Hamas guy.

People think this attack was sudden, but it was actually escalating all year long, with an increasing number of incidents, Israeli air strikes and so on. (Am I the only person who pays attention to international news all year long?)
There is also documented evidence that countries like Egypt actually warned the Israeli government that something big and bad was about to happen, so they either did not take it seriously, or they wanted to let it happen so they could retaliate with 10x the amount of force and push the Palestinians out permanently. Netanyahu has actually stated this as goal, like even giving public presentations to that effect. Plus also remember he was in serious trouble politically with Israelis; under criminal indictment, pushing through changes to the court system to strip it of all its power to judge him.

Yes, they blew up a hospital and denied it. Yes they blew up an ambulance convoy. Yes, they will do worse than that as they move in with troops. Because they do not value the lives of the Other as even human. One could say the other side may feel the same, but has less military capability to carry it out, but how does that help resolve matters? Both sides' armed forces operate under the assumption that there are no real civilians among their adversary's population, just a mass of people who either are armed enemies, or just little kids training to become that in adulthood. Mass murder is not a side effect of the plan - it is the plan.

In any case, why do people act so shocked when something happens that is years or decades in the making ?

Once again we have an international war where fools believe there is such a thing as "white hats versus black hats", but the reality is if you are looking for atrocity-free "good guys" to cheer for, you will not find it. If one side wins, or the other, the result will still be a lot of innocent people dying. The innocent do not have any say in the matter - they just die.
 
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It’s just seems like a really divisive and polarizing topic to bring up here in our community at the moment.
We are all about free speech though, so let’s keep it classy at least.

It is the ultimate polarizing topic.


Balfour was typical of the attitudes of the great powers of the day.
They carved up chunks of land for each other with total disregard for the residents. This resulted in hostility between groups that had previously had their own territory but were forced together.
Israelis vs Palestinians is small potatoes compared to the Tutsi vs Hutu. I’d bet more have died ( over the same time frame) in Shia vs Shiite conflict than the entire Israeli existence.

True. And if you look at the actions of the future Israelis in those days, they did things like bombing hotels full of British troops and so on.

I hate to bring up "assymetric warfare" because it sounds too arcane, but nations fight with the means they have available at the time.
Israel today is a dominant military power, with artillery, tanks, attack helicopters, fighter jets, bunker-busting bombs, drones, navy guns, anti-aircraft missiles, sattellite intelligence, and oh yes, NUKES.
Hamas does not have firepower of that magnitude. But they fight in other ways, more sneaky and unexpected ways, but no less determined or ruthless.
There are plenty of atrocities to unleash using both methods, and they both do.


its amazing that western liberal cultures with large Jewish populations are so prone to denounce humanitarian violence perpetrated by other states that discriminate based on religion (and there are lots of them) and yet... its OK if Israel does the same.

Indeed, some of the strongest voices against the government of Israel's conduct have been left wing Jews in the west. They are not blind, and can't stand the idea of the Holocaust being used a rhetorical shield to cover a crooked openly racist mass murderer like Netanyahu (and his government, some of whom are even more radical). Israeli politics is a tangle of petty vicious politics, even leaving out the Palestinians entirely.

However, where's also the "all Jews are like X", "all Palestinians are like Y" stereotype, usually thrown at them by the racist foes they have, and at times like this, that kind of behavior skyrockets. Getting verbally attacked without cause is a sure way to push you into a conflict as well. Social media amplifies everything and one stupid dink with a sign can have his bullshit viewpoint go world-wide.

The morbidly comical thing is watching the usual white racists in Canada trying to sit on the fence over this, unsure of who to spew hate towards more, the Jews or the Arabs, depending which group they think is more representative of "the left". (The irony being that both Hamas and the Israeli leaders are on the right too.)

What racists really want is an excuse to act like douchebags towards someone. It does not have to make any logical sense. It does not have to serve any actual strategic purpose. It is about ego gratification, building yourself up by knocking someone else down.

Never assume all people want peace and will be peaceful if left alone. Some people profit from stoking hatred. Some just enjoy it. When they get into power, these racists are going to act even worse.
 

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The other perspective is that Gaza is a ghetto (in the Poland 1939 sense), and they fight back from gradual expulsion/extermination by big attention-getting acts of armed resistance. Do they actually stand a chance against an Israeli military that can literally crush all its neighbours simultaneously, and which has nukes, AND which has the US sitting just offshore to bomb any country that might step in an say "hey, stop that" ? They also have the Americans' UN veto power at their disposal whenever they want it. No, of course not. Extremism thrives in desperate conditions, and that place has been blockaded for years; two million people crowded into an open air prison camp. Even with that, most of the people are not part of Hamas; they get targetted anyway, because the IDF will definitely kill 100 of them to get to one Hamas guy.

People think this attack was sudden, but it was actually escalating all year long, with an increasing number of incidents, Israeli air strikes and so on. (Am I the only person who pays attention to international news all year long?)
There is also documented evidence that countries like Egypt actually warned the Israeli government that something big and bad was about to happen, so they either did not take it seriously, or they wanted to let it happen so they could retaliate with 10x the amount of force and push the Palestinians out permanently. Netanyahu has actually stated this as goal, like even giving public presentations to that effect. Plus also remember he was in serious trouble politically with Israelis; under criminal indictment, pushing through changes to the court system to strip it of all its power to judge him.

Yes, they blew up a hospital and denied it. Yes they blew up an ambulance convoy. Yes, they will do worse than that as they move in with troops. Because they do not value the lives of the Other as even human. One could say the other side might feel the same, but has less military capability to carry it out, but how does that help resolve matters? Both sides armed forces operate under the assumption that there are no real civilians among their adversary's population, just a mass of people who either are armed enemies, or just little kids training to become that in adulthood. Mass murder is not a side effect of the plan - it is the plan.

In any case, why do people act so shocked when something happens that is years or decades in the making ?

Once again we have an international war where fools believe there is such a thing as "white hats versus black hats", but the reality is if you are looking for atrocity-free "good guys" to cheer for, you will not find it. If one side wins, or the other, the result will still be a lot of innocent people dying. The innocent do not have any say in the matter - they just die.
Gaza has not been like Gaza for 75 years. And its not a giant hell hole, there are (were) luxuries that you can see woth your own eyes online.

Killing innocent Palestinians has to stop, but these justifications for the actions of Hamas are disengenous at best.

Palastine had to policce its own terroist elements or there will be no peace.Isreal has done some but also needs to tamp down on theirs better as well, no more settler expulsions from the West Bank.
 

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I like the sentiment, but the reality is different. People that live in war torn areas do not have that mindset. They just want to survive and earn a living for their family. Only people that live in a relative secure area and have that naive reaction. The flower power of make love not war, still when the boot-strapped police smashed protests, the students fought back. Today violence of any kind is frowned on, but the problem is its a deep seated human reaction, that we humans will never get rid of.

Just as some idiot protestor calls for the PM to call for a ceasefire in Gaza. The reality is the idiot just dosen't know anything about Canada.
1. Canada dosen't have strong economic ties with Israel,
2. Canada has shit for military equipment and lacks the personal when pushing comes to shoving,
3 Canada is a declining international power because we kow-tow to the US too often, or it let the US do what it wants to do as long as its in our pathline/goals,
4 The US backs Israel 100% in this, and Canada doesn't want to upset it biggest trading partner.

The one thing I do hope is that the conflict that is happening over in the middle east does not come here to Canada. Apparently there is a rise in Antisemitism in Canada. I don't know why. Is it more troubled economic times, people getting poorer. Or are people being influenced by social media or biased information there.

Canada has zero input on the Israeli-Palestinian issue. Calling for a cease-fire is about as useful as doing a rain dance over here and hoping it will irrigate things over there.

Both ethnic groups exist here and have their advocates, but as a nation we gain nothing by supporting either side.
Frankly, neither side deserves our support, so aside from trying to denounce the killing of non-combatants (duh), there's really no play to make. If you favour one side, you've just become an accomplice to all their crimes and nobody except that side will ever trust you.
(The US needs to learn this, but they never do.)

Of course this des not stop the "let's be totally biased on an issue we do not understand" opposition parties from chirping their dissatisfaction.
 

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If that day does come, it will be finished in 48 hours! Firstly, send all 3 Flattops to encircle the island from all sides... loaded with DF-17 & DF-27 to sink others who may try to interfere. Secondly, Bombard the island's defensive positions using massive long range Artillery from Fujian province & flattops. Then send in Type 055 destroyers & Type 075 amphibious assault ships with troops and armors under the artillery cover and land at Taichung & Tainan area as well as Taitung. Mean while, DF-26 will target the Presidential palace & neutralize the PAC-3 in Taipei. SU-35, J-20, J-16, J-15, KJ-600 & KJ-500 will control the island's air space and destroy the old F-16's & Mirage 2000's. GJ-2 & GJ-11 will patrol Taipei sky and destroy the runway's at airports... By the time the Japanese has a chance to react and help, it is almost all over already. But I am sure they want to retake the island using peaceful means because that saves money for reconstructions afterward and also, the people of the island will not resist or hate them as much! hahaha...
1. Foremost in any invasion of country is air superiority.
During WW2 and the D-Day landings the allies had air superiority and they needed it because the invasion fleet they had would be sitting duck to German airplanes. Russia did not get air superiority in the Ukraine invasion and are still suffering for not achieving that, even though they launched a surprise attack on Ukraine. Today radar controlled surface to air missiles are very deadly. Add in Close in weapon defense to protect missile sites.
I think it would be very hard to take out Taiwan' air defense systems and Airforce.
So to invade Taiwan, China needs to knock out the Taiwanese Airforce and all missile batteries for surface to air missiles. Taiwan would need also to be able to counter mass drone attacks as this would be the only sure way of success for China. Meanwhile Taiwan could have a large number of drones to hit air transports or ships near the shore.
2. The distance between China and Taiwan is over 100 miles. China would need a large number of ships to transport troops to Taiwan and would need to protect them as most would be unable to defend themselves against air attack/torpedo attack. Land artillery of 155mm can go out to 21 km and can be very effective against any modern warship let alone a troop transport.
3. Next is supply lines. Any invasion force will need to supply/resupply the troops. A supply line across water is very easily interrupted.
4. Western trade with China will cease as sanctions for invading Taiwan.
5. Taiwan will have defense in depth. Have various ways to counter Chinese warplanes (planes, anti-air systems, drones, and hand held anti-air missiles)

Well China-Taiwan stuff is off-topic, but you would not want that war breaking out. No naval & air conflict like that has been seen in the west Pacific since WW2. And this time the weapons are so much worse.

China has a huge amount of force it could throw at Taiwan, but like with Russia/Ukraine, it would be facing a well-prepared adversary with lots of international support.
Morale matters greatly and while maybe Taiwan might not mind getting cozier with a reasonable China, an aggressive tyrant like Xi Jinping is like a clear argument for why they should never want that.
So if China went after Taiwan now, they would face strong and immediate retaliation, not just from the US and maybe Japan, but also S. Korea, Phillipines, Vietnam, Malaysia, basically any nation all the way down to Australia that is tired of Xi Jinping's bullying and a long history of pushing back against China's territorial ambitions. And then there is India (Modi or not Modi, they are the other big player in the region and have ambitions of their own.)
China would also face immediate and crippling economic sanctions, including energy embargoes. At that point, they might be totally reliant on Russia for oil & gas. No way any tankers make it from the Persian Gulf to their shores at that point.
Some have pointed out that companies are already moving manufacturing out of China in anticipation of future conflict, but COVID also proved that relying on thinly-stretched overseas supply chains is a bad idea so the move is not that new.
China can of course retaliate, targeting production of chips, of tech, of things like steel and ships, but all this would mean is that the global economy which built them up so much would rapidly decrease.

China has carriers now, but the US can match them locally and still have enough to cover other oceans. Carriers would be targets for subs, subs target for aircraft. Airbases for missiles, and BOOM. That's not some slow-burning insurgency; that is high-intensity hot war that probably goes nuclear. This is not some video game, and when the real thing bites down hard, you can forget about clinging to any notions of preserving what came before it.
 

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Easy to say when you’re a safe distance away.
And hamas would execute you without a second thought for your decadent lifestyle.
Remember ISIS throwing homos off tall buildings as their religious leaders instructed?
Remember Iran beating women to death for not covering their hair?
The talibankilling people for listening to music?
You are so naive.
These fundamentals laugh at you for being weak. They do not want peace. They want to impose sharia globally. They say that all over the internet.
At least the Jews tolerate others.
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The most sane thing said on this entire thread .
 
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