People need to stop letting the news fear monger to them. You get bombarded with the same news story day after day and think crime is on the rise when in reality it's just a slow news day. The country is not crumbling just because one street has some criminals on it. Y'all are worried about the poor ol' corporations and how they're going to survive when in reality they're the ones causing the biggest problems for the average Canadian. In the midst of the worst inflation we've seen in decades they're making out with record profits. That's the real problem in this country.
Shoplifting gone wild
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Releasing these criminals repeatedly is a green light for them to continue this behavior, if they can’t afford more jails it’s time to bring back the paddle. After being paddled a few times it’s doubtful that they they would continue the theivery or other awful acts against the public and move back to where they came from. Skids from all across Canada come for the easy pickins in Vancouver with no consequence, that’s terrible.
How about installing a Face Recognition Camera at the entrance gate... if a person is on the Blacklist (aka multiple times shoplifters and/or troublemakers), then it simply won't open! Security Guard stands there to enforce it.
Anti trust laws when companies get too big like Walmart. Or grocery stores chains that make millions in profit. The problem with big chain stores is that they only stock things that sale. But if you want a fence gate, they only have 2 types and have put anyone that could make a fence gate out of business years ago, because it was cheaper to buy at the chain store when they had 5 choices of fence gates.
The idea would be to help create small business opportunities.
The idea of a "3 strikes your out" sounds good at first, but look at the states where innocent uneducated young men are targeted, and convicted of crimes they didn't do. The system is too big and cops are ramming/pushing people through without hard evidence.
I think a more fairer system would be for the criminal to do community work that is equal to what they stole. Not a show up for 8 hours and participate (not time), but give them a broom and sweep the street for 20 blocks or pick up garbage (but an actual job that has to be done).
The idea would be to help create small business opportunities.
The idea of a "3 strikes your out" sounds good at first, but look at the states where innocent uneducated young men are targeted, and convicted of crimes they didn't do. The system is too big and cops are ramming/pushing people through without hard evidence.
I think a more fairer system would be for the criminal to do community work that is equal to what they stole. Not a show up for 8 hours and participate (not time), but give them a broom and sweep the street for 20 blocks or pick up garbage (but an actual job that has to be done).
Sounds good, but what if someone is reformed? Its a grocery store and he needs to buy food. There are legitimate hard core repeat offenders, and then there are people who are down on their luck. Whatever solutions that are going to be applied it has to be positive in nature. Look at all the Canadian Royal Commissions over the years, how many of their recommendations didn't go through because of the lack of money to start them off, or maintain them. Alot of the shit people talk about today were discussed in these Royal commissions years ago. Still nothing has be done.
People used to have a simple work ethic, Work Hard, Play Hard. Where is that today?
We have more than one jewellery store in Victoria that has to buzz you in. Don’t know about the double doors.
Delivery or placing orders for pick up including groceries I’m sure is on the way.
Most larger stores will not try to intercept do to the risk to staff. They pass on the losses to us honest consumers.
Sobeys for sure, my daughter worked there.
The folks at the government liquor stores tell me the same.
Lots of business have a window to order from. Especially late night gas stations.
Canada is also grossly behind when it comes to surveillance technology. Its not as advanced as the UK or other places. In Japan they had a ninja thief who was breaking into places. The police weren't able to stop the break-ins. A camera caught the perp's face, a 74 year old man. His motive was that he didn't want to work. They used facial recognition software on surveillance footage when his masks slipped for a little bit when he was out prowling. Without that tech, they would not be able to identify him as they thought the ninja cat burglar was a young man. The Ninja of Heisei is a legend in my eyes. It really shows how behind our technology is. I bet airports and large entities have access to that, but I doubt most police stations will want that tech for petty break ins and small time thefts.
I'd settle for 20 strikes. Some of these clowns have hundreds of convictions and are still out there stealing.
Hard to steal with no thumbs-just sayin....It;s a complicated issue. Personally, i'm not in favor of more incarceration-it's simply too costly. Consequences are needed though and i'm not sure what will actually work. You'll need to find out what's driving the crime-Poverty? Addiction? Mental health issues? Homelessness? All of the above? I'm of the opinion you could pour 100x the current money spent into fighting all those root causes and end up no further ahead. Or you could hand out 100k worth of fentanyl and eliminate 75% of consistent crime in any urban center
Well, the Berlin Wall came down in 1989 (34 years ago), so I guess that means BC is due to be run by a vodka-swilling Premier sometime soon.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Boris-Yeltsin
That could work, but only for a smaller store. Stores which have hundreds of customers coming in and out every hour all day could not take this approach. Too slow & intrusive, witch such volume.
The security measures would have to be around the items, and this is what they do: display cases for high value items (or mandatory-by-law measures for pharma items like ephedrine, etc.).
However, he more you do that, the slower and less convenient for the customers and you also need more staff to handle opening & closing the locked cases.
London Drugs in North Van or Richmond could get away with doing it (but would they even need to?). London Drugs at Granville & Georgia might get away with it, but also might choose to have two guards on the door at all times, and 4 roaming around inside the store (costly). As for the London Drugs at the old Woodwards building? Forget it. The push-back from the community would be massive, and there's no assurance that it would even stop people who are so far gone they can be arrested 100 times and not care; that location is the #1 candidate for closure, choosing to eliminate service entirely rather than take the risk of providing it.
Yup. Jewelry stores absolutely need to have this in place. I would: face recognition cams, airlock-style doors with bulletproof glass everywhere, and more.
Of course, that works for a place selling VIP items like jewelry. Banks too - for all the talk of robbing banks, it is rare now. Thieves face extreme security and rarely get any amount worth the risk.
Even currency & bullion exchanges take precautions like that, but notice this:
They also warn customers not to flash their cache or whatever and be aware of others when they leave. Why? Because the thugs stop targeting the store and start targeting the customers leaving it.
Having worked security let me let you in on a non-secret: whether cameras are actually monitored by a person watching is another matter. Most stores do not, as this would require a security person in a control room (as opposed to just cameras passively gathering evidence of incidents). Airports (YVR sized) definitely do have someone watching cameras all the time.
However, since the airport was mentioned, let me offer some wisdom.
Security / safety and convenience / openness are oppositional concepts. You can have near-perfect high security, but the trade-off is always convenience of use & that feeling of a relaxed atmosphere. In some countries, security is the only consideration.
In the 1990s, there was a really big push going on (in North America) to make airports as easy-going as possible, and make air travel as routine as boarding a city bus. Sure, they knew about terrorism and such, but it was seen as a problem only in problem parts of the world. International flights were still subject to security restrictions, but they thought that domestic flights required little or even none. Well, 9/11 was a gigantic slap across the face for the whole industry (which silenced all those who had said the people opposing relaxed airport security were "paranoid").
The airline & tourism industry learned a lot from that hard lesson, but you can still see today how the airlines, the tourism industry, and the passengers push back against the cost of security in time & money.
All these news stories about how the federal government failed to anticipate long lineups, blah blah blah, are really "sponsored content" where the industry is still pushing to have regulations relaxed, or just modified so that certain passengers get VIP treatment and sail through security while the rest have to ensure early arrivals & long lineups.
In Canada this manifests itself as having NEXUS and other (basically bullshit) programs where some people going to the US (it is always for US travel, nowhere else) save lineup time by some trading off to go through as "assured" persons. Basically, an intrusive security / background check that hands over an enormous amount of data to the intelligence services. (PS: In Europe, they are in the process of adopting biometric data gathering for ALL arriving travellers, so that is the next stage.)
And what drives all this? Safety? Nope. MONEY. A calculation of how to pluck the most feathers from the goose while generating the least amount of hissing.
Airports are the extreme example, but you can apply that to security for any public-facing industry.
How can they be secure enough to not lose money to crime, without being so overly inconvenient and intrusive that they drive customers away and lose more money the other way?
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Welcome to Trudeau's Canada! He is following orders of globalist to destroy middle class. Now it's going to be poor and rich only. Sad to see good old Canada vanishing. When I came here in 2006 my step-dad would be throwing left over stakes in garbage, now we save everything. Hope things will change for better.
Thing will only get worse if Trudeau and/or NDP keep staying in power. I've lost faith in Canadian voters (especially here in BC) and the possibly rigged voting system.
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You think those lying sack of shit conservatives will do anything but puff up their own "tough guy" feathers?
I may believe in being tougher on crime, but for real, not just for show - and not making special exceptions for the well-off. That's why I will never vote for those assholes. I pity fools who believe anything those grifters have to say.
Like I already said above, a party that believes in greed above all will NEVER stop crime, because at the top, they work hand in hand with it.
Trudeau and gang keep staying in power despite their endless scandals, obviously thanks to people like yourself who hold this belief that they are "not greedy." I bet you like more taxes and more national debt too.
Ya'll are watching American tiktoks and then running around with your hair on fire. Theft rings are run by criminals with middle class lifestyles, not junkies.
What you're seeing is the descent of Canada into second world class disparity, with slums next to new highrises. The Cons make the erosion of the middle class that much worse, and the Libs are bad enough.
Also if the shoplifters are Native American, maybe its our just deserts? We certainly stole enough from them , so maybe this can be viewed as slow revenge.
What you're seeing is the descent of Canada into second world class disparity, with slums next to new highrises. The Cons make the erosion of the middle class that much worse, and the Libs are bad enough.
Also if the shoplifters are Native American, maybe its our just deserts? We certainly stole enough from them , so maybe this can be viewed as slow revenge.
The root cause of crime is poverty, low social skills, lack of nuclear family/broken households, lack of education, lack of betterment/advancement of person (able to get a better paying job).
The solution is climb out of the pit.
But a major cause of crime is EASY MONEY, whether from the profits of crime or drugs. But its mostly drugs. For every addict on the streets there are likely 7-10 persons doing drugs but are able to afford them, until they can't afford the drugs. Drugs are addictive and well eventually effect your health.
With the passing of laws to legalize marijuana, now people want to legalize hard drugs.
Ever notice that long term heavy user of pot. No motivation, no goals, no work ethic, cause all they want to do is get stoned. Lets not forget the long term heavy use of alcohol.
And something to relieve the stress of everyday life... SEX.
The solution is climb out of the pit.
But a major cause of crime is EASY MONEY, whether from the profits of crime or drugs. But its mostly drugs. For every addict on the streets there are likely 7-10 persons doing drugs but are able to afford them, until they can't afford the drugs. Drugs are addictive and well eventually effect your health.
With the passing of laws to legalize marijuana, now people want to legalize hard drugs.
Ever notice that long term heavy user of pot. No motivation, no goals, no work ethic, cause all they want to do is get stoned. Lets not forget the long term heavy use of alcohol.
And something to relieve the stress of everyday life... SEX.
