No more hand guns

[Drjohn]

Are they as strict as ours? Which state and what are the laws? I’m curious

Illinois, New York and Washington DC.
Strict gun laws in these jurisdictions.
Multiple people are shot, killed and wounded on a daily basis.
Gun laws and bans have little to no effect.
Criminals don't care.
They're Criminals
We already have very strict gun laws in Canada.
Interestingly, gun crimes are increasing.
Weird.
Think or say whatever you want.
The facts are the facts.

 

[apl16]

Illinois, New York and Washington DC.
Strict gun laws in these jurisdictions.
Multiple people are shot, killed and wounded on a daily basis.
Gun laws and bans have little to no effect.
Criminals don't care.
They're Criminals
We already have very strict gun laws in Canada.
Interestingly, gun crimes are increasing.
Weird.
Think or say whatever you want.
The facts are the facts.

This is a country of many laws with little enforcement.....nuff said 🙄

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Guns, gun deaths, etc.
It's a numbers and a culture game.
Look at the total number of guns in the US. And add in the number of AR weapons. Add in open carry in many states.
Consider their gun culture (out of my cold dead hand comes to mind).
The ease to get a gun, pretty much any kind.
Add all that up, throw in a bit of disturbed personality, desperation, whatever, and voila, gun deaths that are off the charts.
Will a ban on hand guns in Canada do anything to stop gun deaths? Doubt it. But gun deaths in Canada pale beside those in the US. Not a fair metric. Banning AR weapons or at the very least making it very very hard to get them if possible will be more effective (in my humble opinion, of course).
I saw a comedic clip on guns some time ago and the suggestion was make ammo really expensive.
"you want to put a cap in my ass? Ha. That's 5 grand muther fucker! Don't miss"

 

[overdone]

The fewer guns, the fewer gun deaths. 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s not that complicated people. Even if only ONE person died from a handgun death this is a good idea. We should be moving as far away from what’s happening in the states as possible. I don’t like Trudeau but I like guns even less 😂

then how do you explain that in Canada, the amount of "legal" gun owners has remained relatively stable for over 2 decades?

yet the amount of "deaths" has remained flat as well?

facts

it's a culture, not the amount of guns, gun owners, legal owners

that's the US's problem, it's a culture

then the other real issue is "it's the economy, aka Bill Clinton

go look in Canada at the skewed gun stats for the far North, poverty, no jobs, alcohol issues, edumaction, among other issues
not the amount of guns

then go look at the gun stats after the last economic downturn then uptick, after 2008-9
with Harper getting rid of virtue signalling laws that did nothing to reduce it

think about this, Chretien's idiots brought in a knee jerk law, registration, which allowed someone to own long rifles, as many as you wanted

then the next day you couldn't buy one till you took a moronic course, which was nothing more than a multiple choice quiz

but you could have 100 guns, the day before and for the rest of your life, nice logic

Harper got rid of that, did it make things worse? no

we've had handgun controls since the 1930's, which worked perfectly fine for a century, but yet now it's not?

facts prove otherwise, 80-90% of gun crimes are committed by illegal guns, not registered

want to know where they're coming over the border? go to the reserves in Ont and Que

where the Feds and RCMP won't go, cause they don't want to be called racists

where are the stats of legal gun owners committing crimes with legally registered handguns?

facts




stats went down, then started going back up when the Turd took over and started ruining our economy

name a day in the last 7 years when someone hasn't been harking on how bad everything is?

how every "marginalized" discriminated people aren't suffering

now go look at what Trudeau did, that gets no attention

he got rid of minimum laws for gun crimes, cause those, and his words, basically

were that those "marginalized" people had to pick up a gun to feed their families and shouldn't be punished for that

cause who do you think are committing crimes in the lower mainland and Toronto with handguns?

don't believe me, go back and google the former Black Police Chief from Toronto's statement about gun crimes just before he retired

he said it won't change till you black men change their culture


if you won't put people who will walk out into public and shoot a firearm off

kill someone, for more than a few years, minimum sentences

what will you put people in jail for?

that's the new "liberal" mentality

punish people who didn't commit crimes but give others who actually do a pass

facts, unless they don't fit the narrative

only the right does that, lol

 

[blakealridge]

then how do you explain that in Canada, the amount of "legal" gun owners has remained relatively stable for over 2 decades?

yet the amount of "deaths" has remained flat as well?

I’ll be back to read the rest later I’m a bit rushed but surely the population has gone up? Also wait… doesn’t this directly mean that gun control works? If the amount of gun owners went up deaths would go up

 

[Drjohn]

I’ll be back to read the rest later I’m a bit rushed but surely the population has gone up? Also wait… doesn’t this directly mean that gun control works? If the amount of gun owners went up deaths would go up

The percentage of people that own guns LEGALLY in Canada has remained largely static.
At the same time, gun crimes have increased steadily.
Criminals obtain their guns ILLEGALLY.
Criminals don't care about gun laws.
They never have and they never will.
Repeated studies have shown that gun restrictions have little effect on gun crime.
Once again, these are the facts.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Opinions are more valid if they're based on factual knowledge.

 

[Lets Review]

Facts don't matter to idealogues.

 

[80watts]

then how do you explain that in Canada, the amount of "legal" gun owners has remained relatively stable for over 2 decades?

yet the amount of "deaths" has remained flat as well?

facts

it's a culture, not the amount of guns, gun owners, legal owners

that's the US's problem, it's a culture

then the other real issue is "it's the economy, aka Bill Clinton

go look in Canada at the skewed gun stats for the far North, poverty, no jobs, alcohol issues, edumaction, among other issues
not the amount of guns

then go look at the gun stats after the last economic downturn then uptick, after 2008-9
with Harper getting rid of virtue signalling laws that did nothing to reduce it

think about this, Chretien's idiots brought in a knee jerk law, registration, which allowed someone to own long rifles, as many as you wanted

then the next day you couldn't buy one till you took a moronic course, which was nothing more than a multiple choice quiz

but you could have 100 guns, the day before and for the rest of your life, nice logic

Harper got rid of that, did it make things worse? no

we've had handgun controls since the 1930's, which worked perfectly fine for a century, but yet now it's not?

facts prove otherwise, 80-90% of gun crimes are committed by illegal guns, not registered

want to know where they're coming over the border? go to the reserves in Ont and Que

where the Feds and RCMP won't go, cause they don't want to be called racists

where are the stats of legal gun owners committing crimes with legally registered handguns?

facts




stats went down, then started going back up when the Turd took over and started ruining our economy

name a day in the last 7 years when someone hasn't been harking on how bad everything is?

how every "marginalized" discriminated people aren't suffering

now go look at what Trudeau did, that gets no attention

he got rid of minimum laws for gun crimes, cause those, and his words, basically

were that those "marginalized" people had to pick up a gun to feed their families and shouldn't be punished for that

cause who do you think are committing crimes in the lower mainland and Toronto with handguns?

don't believe me, go back and google the former Black Police Chief from Toronto's statement about gun crimes just before he retired

he said it won't change till you black men change their culture


if you won't put people who will walk out into public and shoot a firearm off

kill someone, for more than a few years, minimum sentences

what will you put people in jail for?

that's the new "liberal" mentality

punish people who didn't commit crimes but give others who actually do a pass

facts, unless they don't fit the narrative

only the right does that, lol

I'm pretty sure you could own as many rifles (with a FAC) before the long-gun registry. The Conservative got rid of it because it was a fiasco and money waster for the taxpayer. To own any gun legally, you still had to take a course to get a FAC (gun safety course) and still do. The thing now is not rifles (for hunting) but restricted firearms like handguns and semi-automatic weapons.
Why are there so many illegal firearms (handguns) in Canada now. Oversaturation in the states, the need for criminals to have one, and ready supply coming from the states.

In Canada, if you add firearms to crimes, giving mandatory life sentences for use of guns in crimes. Punishment must be worst then the crime. Makes people think twice. But Hey I would go farther, bring back the chain gangs. Pick and shovels to make new highways....

 

[Rusty razor]

They need to start by making the prison’s less hospitable, instead of steak, pork, bacon, chicken and turkey etc. - ground meat past from old milk cows. Nutrition without taste. Instead of television’s and IPads, play old Billy Graham shows loud enough that it can’t be blocked out. Instead of flannel sheets and cotton underwear in the winter, wool - it’s warmer anyway. 10 years of that will make you think twice

 

[nightswhisper]

Canadian firearm owners don't generally commit crimes - The barrier to own them is very high.

Most firearms coming from the states are illegal to begin with. There was a soccermom that trafficked a truck full of handguns into Canada and had been doing it for years.

I agree punishment should be more severe. However, nations that disarm their citizens usually end up killing a bunch of citizens because guns are the greatest deterrent against government oppression.

HItler, Pol Pott, Mao and Stalin all went on to disarm their citizens before committing some of the most atrocious genocides in recent history.

The number of people who die from gun crime in the US per year would need to happen continuously for 600 years to catch up to the number of Jews killed by Hitler.

We need to solve our poverty, mental health access, and literacy problems. Per capita knife crime in the UK really isn't that low even without guns.

So I'll agree with 80 Watt in only one respect: punishment of criminals is totally inadequate in Canada. The system rarely gets it right, and more than any political party, it is the courts that are hard-wired for leniency. This system hasn't produced justice - just created two classes of people: those who can play the system like a fiddle, and the rest of us who just have to grit our teeth while the people who harm us are allowed to walk free.

Canada's laws are in line with most of the world, the sane part (almost all the democracies).

Those illegal guns in Canada all came here because of the overflow from the USA, a country so over-armed that it has more guns than people. We already do poorly compared to any western democracy other than that one. We have an illegal weapons problem going on here, which is not going to be solved by making them generally legal, and letting any random untrustworthy dipshit have one just because he wants one. Especially when you're talking about lunatics who just haven't killed anyone yet (but seem obsessed with preparing to do so), or those acting as straw buyers / smugglers for the black market users because their lack of criminal record allows them to get away with it. The system is lazy, buying into these excuses because it wants to turn a blind eye.

I support these bans - I just think we also need to amp up the punishment. A ban is a joke when it has no teeth when it comes to enforcing it.

The answer for anyone who's caught with a firearm they shouldn't have one is, or acts as a conduit of weapons to people who shouldn't have one: prison (hard time & lots of it). The answer for anyone who uses a firearm to commit a crime should be: death.
That's how they do it in Japan. No excuses there, no accepting anyone's bullshit excuses when it comes to weapons. The government controls who is allowed to have weapons, and what weapons they are allowed to have, and nobody thinks they have some inherent right to challenge that - end of story. Even their criminals can understand that crossing that line would mean their permanent elimination.

That concept will rub some people the wrong way, but most people will be glad to see the grey and black market types forced to either disarm or disappear. It would take serious, ruthless effort (especially at first), but would certainly make the distinctions more clear, and more easy to tear down these criminal and terrorist networks - or at least diminish their ability to strike back at each other or the authorities. Hunting won't be suddenly impossible if there's some test of "need", and limited to certain weapons that are designed clearly for that purpose alone.

However (a BIG however), is that aside from upping the sentence for weapon offense and gun crimes 10-fold, there are still a lot more legal reforms that would have to happen too. Right now I don't think our legal system gets enough of the other things correct to sentence anyone to death. Innocent people still get convicted, while (more often) the guilty go free. You can't have a system which ignores facts and often blames the wrong people, excusing serious lawbreakers while it punishes those who are actually innocent.

I'm not a liberal, a Liberal, or a libertarian when it comes to this stuff. I think this is one area where leniency is a huge mistake. If you have a legal system that ignores common sense & acts naive by design, and which thinks stockpiling weaponry can treated as "innocent" activity by default, then criminals and terrorists will sense that weakness and exploit it. As they do now.

 

[nightswhisper]

Are they as strict as ours? Which state and what are the laws? I’m curious

California banned "assault styled rifles". They also have similar handgun ownership requirements - Classes, licensing, registration - as Canada.

Crime in Los Angeles and San Francisco are currently through the roof due to bad governance. People complained that LA's legal system was racist towards black people. So instead of fixing the socio-economic differences, LA decides not to prosecute black offenders to reduce crime. Thus, you have laws that preclude police officers from arresting anyone who steal or shoplift items whose value is less than $950.

Again - Banning guns hasn't ever been an effective method of reducing crime. They banned guns in Venezuela and all it did was made it so unsafe and unstable as a country that gun ownership quintupled.

 

[Rusty razor]

Canadian firearm owners don't generally commit crimes - The barrier to own them is very high.

Most firearms coming from the states are illegal to begin with. There was a soccermom that trafficked a truck full of handguns into Canada and had been doing it for years.

I agree punishment should be more severe. However, nations that disarm their citizens usually end up killing a bunch of citizens because guns are the greatest deterrent against government oppression.

HItler, Pol Pott, Mao and Stalin all went on to disarm their citizens before committing some of the most atrocious genocides in recent history.

The number of people who die from gun crime in the US per year would need to happen continuously for 600 years to catch up to the number of Jews killed by Hitler.

We need to solve our poverty, mental health access, and literacy problems. Per capita knife crime in the UK really isn't that low even without guns.

Agreed. And going by the recent activities in Vancouver we are headed in the same direction, take one weapon away from the criminal and he will just find a different one.

 

[luvsdaty]

Doesn't help that we live next door to the obnoxious gun crazy neighbours that have more guns that their own population. It's true that criminals don't care about guns being illegal especially when they're so easy to aquire either by buying on the black market or stealing from your neighbour's. We have bigger problems ever since they cut all the looneys lose from the mental institution and basically told them to go fuck themselves and figure it out on their own.Cops say it's the same chronic offenders,usually with mental health issues that keep reoffending,gee if only there was somewhere that we could put these people to keep them from harming themselves and getting the help that they need.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Doesn't help that we live next door to the obnoxious gun crazy neighbours that have more guns that their own population. It's true that criminals don't care about guns being illegal especially when they're so easy to aquire either by buying on the black market or stealing from your neighbour's. We have bigger problems ever since they cut all the looneys lose from the mental institution and basically told them to go fuck themselves and figure it out on their own.Cops say it's the same chronic offenders,usually with mental health issues that keep reoffending,gee if only there was somewhere that we could put these people to keep them from harming themselves and getting the help that they need.

THIS
This is a significant and profound statement.

 

[westwoody]

They need to start by making the prison’s less hospitable, instead of steak, pork, bacon, chicken and turkey etc. - ground meat past from old milk cows. Nutrition without taste. Instead of television’s and IPads, play old Billy Graham shows loud enough that it can’t be blocked out. Instead of flannel sheets and cotton underwear in the winter, wool - it’s warmer anyway. 10 years of that will make you think twice

I’ve visited a few penitentiary inmates.
Those places are not hospitable.

 

[vanperb]

I’ve visited a few penitentiary inmates.
Those places are not hospitable.

Yeah. I don't think people understand, it's not a country club. You're still in the meat grinder system. No one wants more days of that.

 

[westwoody]

Yeah. I don't think people understand, it's not a country club. You're still in the meat grinder system. No one wants more days of that.

Extremely dangerous environment, you can get killed for insanely trivial things.

 

[604jbear]

With the number of stabbings I'm seeing in the news, I'm surprised he hasn't banned knives yet.

 

[jgg]

With the number of stabbings I'm seeing in the news, I'm surprised he hasn't banned knives yet.

Have you tried flying outside of Canada? Or going to a hockey game? I don't know how many times I forgot and I have to do the walk of shame to keep my favourite EDC pocket knife.

 

[Larry's Torch]

Sam

Have you tried flying outside of Canada? Or going to a hockey game? I don't know how many times I forgot and I have to do the walk of shame to keep my favourite EDC pocket knife.

Same with Casinos. Had mine clipped to my pocket and forgot about it.
"No blades in the building, sir."
WOS to my truck.