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Like I already said there is no political party that ticks many boxes for me. Perhaps, like many, you are happy with the status quo.
The lack of civility in this forum is noticeable. It is easy for a coward to hide behind an anonymous forum name and make such personal attacks. Perhaps in real life you are the pussy.
It is easy to proclaim that the majority of Canadians "accept economic mediocrity rather than a more hard nosed system" but then not give a single clue as to what a future a hard nosed system would actually look like.
Perhaps you are describing a society like the one portrayed in The Hand Maid's Tale?
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It's almost like our friends on the far-right live in an alternate universe and are fed by batshit-crazy "news" sources.
Canada is doing better than almost any nation on Earth.
If you want to see screwed, go take a look at what crazy conservatives have done to the US and UK.
Canada is doing better than almost any nation on Earth.
If you want to see screwed, go take a look at what crazy conservatives have done to the US and UK.
Exactly. As poor as the Liberals do on many leadership levels, I’ll take them over Conservatives ANY day. WAY too much rhetoric coming from Cons and PDP that echoes populist bullish!t and echoes the scary, anti-(everything but white male) crap down south.
And no, this isn’t about being “woke” or any other copout mud-slinging phrase. This is about not allowing this country to slide back in time. Things were NOT better in the “good ole days” (except for maybe white blue collar males), yet GOP wants to make you think it was abs push the US back to some mythical period that only benefited one group of people. F@ck that!!
the problem I have with conservative (call it “anti-govt” views is that it assumes markets and people will do the right thing. But they DONT. They use and abuse resources, pushes down the little guy to fail (it’s why anti-monopoly laws have existed for >100yrs), rewards slave-driving and poor stewardship of our land for the quick buck/quarterly gains. A good govt allows for competition but also protects “stuff” and people so we can, you know, exist for a few more 100 years or so. We don’t have such a govt but that doesn’t mean “govt” as an ideal is bad, it just means the Liberals suck at it (and the Cdn system doesn’t encourage good governance). Not sure NDP is much better and I’m pretty sure Green is far worse (they’ve been described as quite Libertarian, which is the worst philosophy in the 21st century IMO), and I know Cons and other populists will be worse as well. But I’ll bite my lip till it bleeds and accept JT or Singh as PM knowing that it would be worse with another party.
It’s shocking how clueless Canadians are about the world around them, and how lucky they are to be here instead of Sri Lanka or the Congo.
Crying about paying 1% more interest on their new car loan when others have no food or water and could be killed at any moment.
I don't know anyone who describes the Greens as that. They take the opposite position from libertarians on most issues. Libertarian beliefs basically all come down to: "the only thing I should ever care about is myself". The only thing the two groups might agree on is not trying to enforce sexual/religious morality on others.
If someone pisses you off, please put them on ignore. In other words, cut the BS.
It would be a shame to close this up since it's been running without incident for months.
It would be a shame to close this up since it's been running without incident for months.
People shouldn't sit back in some cushy armchair, having wealth and influence only because they have safety, and ask for a world where everyone gets the green light to fuck over everyone else.
Maybe guys like that, they go through business schools, and come out thinking they're the masters of the universe, real "hard nosed" winners who should be able to live their lives without responsibilities or consequences. What they forget is that all their comforts and all their profits are protected by the security forces out there: the cops, the army, the intelligence services - basically those who spill blood on to protect the system which made their business empires possible. They love to complain about laws and regulations, but take those away & those who enforce it, and none of these "alpha bros" would last even a month. The public, freed from restraint too, would seek payback and they would never be safe from it. Anyone they paid to keep them alive (those who use force) would soon become the real masters.
That's what "hard-nosed" society actually looks like. There are so many countries where that's how it is already, and none of them are prosperous or peaceful.
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I had heard it from friends who follow Cdn politics more than me, so admittedly not the best source!!
But I think the fairly recent row over Paul and her resignation still highlights they can't align or lead themselves, thus giving me no confidence on their ability to lead Federal govt/country. Internal disagreement, criticism, and questioning SHOULD be a part of every strong, capable party, but what I read about previously on the Green party teeters on incompetence.
The Greens would not be my choice of government but the can provide a much needed alternative viewpoint to the current obsession with money as the sole indicator of success. The Dow is NOT the economy! The TSE means nothing to some homeless guy living in an alley.
Libertarians are the total opposite of the Greens.
Libertarians are the ones who demand free access to markets and no regulation but refuse to pay taxes for the roads they use.
See “Tragedy of the Commons”, also Adam Smith.
Libertarians are the total opposite of the Greens.
Libertarians are the ones who demand free access to markets and no regulation but refuse to pay taxes for the roads they use.
See “Tragedy of the Commons”, also Adam Smith.
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To my thinking, the jist of this is a very good comment on how things are in the general corporate world. Not security but how things have devolved to today's world. Run the business (government) from a spreadsheet. Look at the numbers. Make your decisions from that.
It kind of comes down to the current first ministers meeting and the discussions on upping health care funding. Horgan finally just said (paraphrasing here) " go out and talk to the people, talk to health care providers, see how it all is not working right now ". This when the fed ministers kept saying things are fine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, increased taxes, more spending yada yada. I've put in 55+ years of paying taxes and frankly if I get sick I do want timely health care.
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