8 dead in 3 shootings at Atlanta area massage parlours.

[Lurker23]

You're all confusing "mass shooting" with "active shooter" situations.

A mass shooting is just that: the shooting of a large number of people in one event. They happen every day. The vast majority of them are committed by criminals, doing criminal things, for criminal reasons, against other criminals.

An "active shooter" situation is when someone enters a place filled with soft targets to kill as many as possible. They are fairly rare. Here in Canada almost unheard of... We could likely name every one that's happened here in our life time with only a little thought.

The problem is the media (and many of us here) cite statistics on one when talking about the other. Most active shooters are white males. So we talk about active shooters, present demographics on them... Then we turn to mass shooters for the numbers to make white people look disproportionately violent. For example when you hear 'school shooting' you think Columbine style, right? Then the media tells you how there are multiple school shootings in the US everyday and you think (and so do your kids) "my God everyday!" But they neglect to mention that most of those are two people who know each other in a conflict, usually relating to gangs and drugs. Does that make it okay? No. But it's very different then... "All of our kids live in fear of being shot at school." Or David Hogg telling us that his generation just accepts the reality that they might get shot at school.

It's poor reporting and poor statistics. Each of those 2 categories have different reasonings and victimologies. They can't be discussed together.

As to why active shooters are mostly white, there's a lot of reasons. They tend to come from suburban or semi-rural environments, be middle to upper class.... Many factors that lead to an over-ambulance of white males.

My theory is that violent people from other races have outlets for violence even if they are raised in suburbia far from violence... A violent sociopathic upper class black kid can join a gang (his entry point is his race), a violent sociopathic poor white kid can join a gang (his entry point is his neighborhood and economic status). A violent, sociopathic upper class white kid has no entry point into a world of violence so has to make his own. This isn't to excuse the behavior. But there are reasons for everything, even if they don't make sense to those of us with normal functioning brains.

And of course these aren't absolutes. There's exceptions to statistical norms.

If that post is directed at me, I am confusing nothing. But you sure seem to be confused. Where are you getting this nonsense about "active shooters"? That has nothing to do with any of my posts, or the posts of those who have shown themselves to be liars or uh, something even less charitable, like math professors.

Three links below about the definition of mass shooters.

Mass shooting - Wikipedia

Mass Shooting Tracker (archive.org)

 

[Crookedmember]

Most gun deaths in the US involve the shooter and a spouse, child, parent, lover or associate. In other words, someone the shooter knew. This is true for whites and Blacks.

Mass killings in which 8, 12, 20, or (in the case of Las Vegas) 60 died, are different because the shooter generally doesn't know the victims and shoots indiscriminately. In these massacres, the killers have been almost exclusively white males.

 

[johnnydepth]

Yep. It's usually a white male in the U.S. Makes sense though, because they make up the largest part of the population. I would assume most in China would be committed by someone Asian. For the size of the Black population in the U.S. they are overly represented, but still not even close in number compared to White male shooters.

 

[g eazy]

It's poor reporting and poor statistics. Each of those 2 categories have different reasonings and victimologies. They can't be discussed together.

Not sure if the fine gentlemen of perb can hear you over their cold hard facts and data! /s

It's been brought up and ignored. They have no rhetoric against what you said because they can't see the flaws in their argument - willful ignorance.

Just because someone crying afoul "white man bad!" is stupid, doesn't make all the out of context data any less stupid to bring up. It just becomes a circlejerk again, but the most fascinating thing bout perb is you have nutjobs on both sides of the spectrum rather than your usual social media echo chamber.

 

[Lurker23]

Not sure if the fine gentlemen of perb can hear you over their cold hard facts and data! /s

It's been brought up and ignored. They have no rhetoric against what you said because they can't see the flaws in their argument - willful ignorance.

Just because someone crying afoul "white man bad!" is stupid, doesn't make all the out of context data any less stupid to bring up. It just becomes a circlejerk again, but the most fascinating thing bout perb is you have nutjobs on both sides of the spectrum rather than your usual social media echo chamber.

What on God's Green Earth does an "Active Shooter" Have to do with the low IQ crowd claim that as above that most mass shooters are white? There is no "context" or active shooters" willful ignorance. That is gibberish.

Just look at the dolt above "crooked member" lying his face off=. He out right lies and writes " Mass killings in which 8, 12, 20, or (in the case of Las Vegas) 60 died, are different because the shooter generally doesn't know the victims and shoots indiscriminately. In these massacres, the killers have been almost exclusively white males. "

Wrong, lying weasel. The top 2 by number are Omar Mateen, Black 48 killed and Seung-Hui Cho who killed 32 white people. In a school. In fact, in that category there are more non whites than whites. Like Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi who killed 14 white women at a school. Or yesterday's non white mass shooter, who killed 10 white people. And numerous others. But it appears facts do not matter to racist idiots.

 

[The Caffeinated Gent]

For all of you that still refuse to acknowledge hate crime against Asians, the shooting at Atlanta massage parlours was not an isolated racially motivated hate crime, but probably the most tragic. And it hasn't stopped.

People think that the shooter commited the shooting crime in Atlanta didn't do it because he was being racist, and y'all argue that he didn't say: "I'm going to kill all Asians." because our medias didn't pick it up. Well, now this is a credible source in North America.

Police sources said Guerrero yelled “I came here to f**k up Asians” at Liang during the assault."

Racially motivated hate crimes against Asians are real, giving it an acknowledgement is the first step toward resolving the issue.

https://nextshark.com/metal-pipe-hitting-54-year-old-asian-woman-nyc/

 

[Crookedmember]

Yep. It's usually a white male in the U.S. Makes sense though, because they make up the largest part of the population. I would assume most in China would be committed by someone Asian. For the size of the Black population in the U.S. they are overly represented, but still not even close in number compared to White male shooters.

Non-Hispanic whites are 60% of the US population.

In the 22 years since Columbine, how many of these dozens of school/theatre/church/concert massacres have been the work of African-American males? Is it anywhere near proportional?

 

[Lurker23]

Not directed at anyone. When people hear mass shooter they usually think of "active shootings" which is a particular subset of mass shootings that are a tiny fraction of a percentage of the total mass shootings. It's important to be precise. The massage parlor shooting was an "active shooting event". It is thoroughly unhelpful to conflate the two. They are very different. If we are talking about all mass shootings, we definitely can't talk about racism. If we are only talking about the "active shooter" subset then it makes sense to address race.

What I do know is all of you all need to stop presenting facts from both mixed together to prove your side. Again if you discuss one, either, or both you can find facts from the other that will support any particular narrative you want to make.

You linked to wikipedia, so I imagine you can probably find a wikipedia article on "active shooters". Haven't checked, but an certain one exists.

I'm always just in search of greater clarity. I'm actually enjoying reading many of these posts, but the last few have just devolved into a complete cluster 🦆 as no one had differentiated these two things.

No they do not think active shooter. You are making that up.

Even the racist toads don't think that. No one does. That's ridiculous. Look at the examples above. The incidents are no different between black mass shooters and white mass shooters. ie happen in schools, over 10 strangers, etc.
They aren't thinking about "active shooters" they are thinking about Hate Whitey.

 

[johnnydepth]

Non-Hispanic whites are 60% of the US population.

In the 22 years since Columbine, how many of these dozens of school/theatre/church/concert massacres have been the work of African-American males? Is it anywhere near proportional?

I'm not sure what you are asking? Non-Hispanic Whites are 60% of the U.S. population. Not sure why you mentioned this. Then in terms of the 22 years since Columbine White males account for the majority of mass shootings in terms of total numbers. When you look at per capita (i.e. size of a given group of people) Black males are overly represented because their population is much lower than White males. Put another way for every black male there are 6 white males. For every black shooter there are 3 white shooters. You would expect it to be 6 if it was evenly balanced.
Is this what you were asking?

 

[Newb808]

I believe the Las Vegas shooter has the most kills and injured by far, @Lurker23. I found an article with a comprehensive spreadsheet that details every incident of mass murder(more than 4 victim fatalities) by firearm in the US for the last 30 years. The majority of shooters were white males, but I’ll admit it’s a slim majority and that are quite a few shootings perpetrated by minorities in the last few years which I hadn’t heard about.

 

[Lurker23]

Non-Hispanic whites are 60% of the US population.

In the 22 years since Columbine, how many of these dozens of school/theatre/church/concert massacres have been the work of African-American males? Is it anywhere near proportional?

Let's see, there was Omar Mateen, Aaron Alexis, Omar Sharrif Thorton, DeWayne Craddock, . There's 4 blacks for you, and there are plenty of other non-whites in this list.

How about if you name these "dozens" of white guys with 10 or more murders in a single incident since Columbine. They don't exist.

You are a lying racist Plain and simple.

 

[Lurker23]

I believe the Las Vegas shooter has the most kills and injured by far, @Lurker23. I found an article with a comprehensive spreadsheet that details every incident of mass murder(more than 4 victim fatalities) by firearm in the US for the last 30 years. The majority of shooters were white males, but I’ll admit it’s a slim majority and that are quite a few shootings perpetrated by minorities in the last few years which I hadn’t heard about.

I've avoided that one, because the story about the perp is fake. Anyone who thinks that it took the cops 1-1/2 hours to locate a guy whose smoke detector would have went off immediately when he fired his weapon at Jesus Campos simply does not understand how security works at the Mandala Bay hotel.

In fact, Jesus Campos went to investigate an open door. Jesus knew the door was open, because the smoke alarms, fire alarms, door alarms, video cameras and other security are all tied in to the central security. And yet somehow, after sending 200 rounds at Jesus Campos not only did Paddock's smoke alarm not go off, but the video cameras didn't show poor Jesus getting shot with a weapon that would surely incapacitated him at that distance. ( and yet he "limped" away) Nor could anyone remember what room Jesus was sent to, and Jesus could not use his radio to call security to let them know there was a shooter 10 minutes before he started shooting at the crowd.

The entire thing is BS. It doesn't make a lick of sense, and anyone who thinks Steven Patsy Paddock was involved does not know anything about the numerous false flags that have occurred in the US and elsewhere.

The Mother Jones article is also BS. As I already explained, there are usually 300 or more mass shootings in the US each and every year. Over 30 years there would be 10,000 or more names on their list, but there aren't. Moreover, they called several Arabs and at least 1 black "white". I reviewed that list years ago, it's fake.,

 

[Lurker23]

For all of you that still refuse to acknowledge hate crime against Asians, the shooting at Atlanta massage parlours was not an isolated racially motivated hate crime, but probably the most tragic. And it hasn't stopped.

People think that the shooter commited the shooting crime in Atlanta didn't do it because he was being racist, and y'all argue that he didn't say: "I'm going to kill all Asians." because our medias didn't pick it up. Well, now this is a credible source in North America.

Police sources said Guerrero yelled “I came here to f**k up Asians” at Liang during the assault."

Racially motivated hate crimes against Asians are real, giving it an acknowledgement is the first step toward resolving the issue.

https://nextshark.com/metal-pipe-hitting-54-year-old-asian-woman-nyc/

There are plenty of violent Hate Crimes against Asians. The problem is they are almost entire committed by blacks or Hispanics, like the Hispanic in your link.

This is well known, but not by the agenda driven media who constantly lie.

Dirty secret of black-on-Asian violence is out (sfgate.com)

 

[The Caffeinated Gent]

@lurker123 @fitey7777777 in case if you guys overlooked my comments before, I never said anything about white supremacy or against any other race. I have already stated that before. I am posting for the acknowledgement of anti-Asian racism, which I believe the shooting at Atlanta was. But I never said it had to be committed by a certain race, in fact I said "anyone can be racist." And that's the issue we need to face.

 

[Lurker23]

@lurker123 @fitey7777777 in case if you guys overlooked my comments before, I never said anything about white supremacy or against any other race. I have already stated that before. I am posting for the acknowledgement of anti-Asian racism, which I believe the shooting at Atlanta was. But I never said it had to be committed by a certain race, in fact I said "anyone can be racist." And that's the issue we need to face.

I should have been more careful in my comment directed to you, but I personally started commenting here because of the fake narrative surrounding this issue. Dozens of articles each and every day, and even Canada's government voted to condemn "white supremacy" because of this incident.

Yes, there are Hate Crimes against Asians. White people have little or nothing to do with any of that. And yet that is NOT what is being reported.

 

[Lurker23]

That quote is from a different attack. North american media didn't pick up the story that has so far been shared with only one reporter from one small korean outlet (and subsequently repeated by other korean language publications). So to recap only one person/reporter, who is unnamed, has heard that story from one unnamed source...

The link BigRawd posted has a link to the New York Post, where the article gives more details about the Hispanic who committed this crime.

This attack was not the same attack as the Atlanta Shooter, which is what you are referring to. Edit. I don't think BigRawd was meaning to imply his link was supporting the story of the Atlanta shooter yelling at Asians. Not in my read, anyway.

 

[Andrew69913]

Well, as we can all see, this is a rather heated subject. It's no wonder our elected officials can't solve anything. This discussion gives me the same chilling feeling I get from watching CPAC lol. From the wide range of opinion expressed here, we are failing to see there is one common theme we can all agree on. Gun control is an issue. There it is!! A piece of common ground, and a damn good starting point to reducing these types of tragedies. We keep tying our hands with all of these other issues, which are important of course and need attention, but why not first solve something obvious that will have an immediate impact? I think Biden is gonna do it.....

 

[Lurker23]

I believe the Las Vegas shooter has the most kills and injured by far, @Lurker23. I found an article with a comprehensive spreadsheet that details every incident of mass murder(more than 4 victim fatalities) by firearm in the US for the last 30 years. The majority of shooters were white males, but I’ll admit it’s a slim majority and that are quite a few shootings perpetrated by minorities in the last few years which I hadn’t heard about.

As I mentioned, it's been years since I looked at the Mother Jones list. I still don't agree with their methodology since they exclude the massive near daily black mass shootings, claiming they are "gang related" or "crime related", but in this case it does provide some helpful data.

A certain low IQ racist wondered "In the 22 years since Columbine, how many of these dozens of school/theatre/church/concert massacres have been the work of African-American males?" while claiming " ass killings in which 8, 12, 20, or (in the case of Las Vegas) 60 died, are different because the shooter generally doesn't know the victims and shoots indiscriminately. In these massacres, the killers have been almost exclusively white males. " His equally low IQ math professor buddy also made some stupid claims about this.

Using the MJ data provides some good information here, since the situations are perfectly equal. ie a Shooter who murders strangers in a public setting such as a "school/theatre/church/concert". There are not dozens since Columbine, there are a total of 18 who killed 10 or more. SIX of these 18 mass murderers are white, and that includes the one false flag. The other TWELVE are not. Their names follow so anyone can check it out for themselves.

Don't expect the hate filled racists to admit they are wrong. Even though they previously claimed the Boulder shooter was white, they just keep plowing ahead with their lies. They are immune to facts.

Stephen Craig Paddock, 64, white

Adam Lanza, 20 white

Devin Patrick Kelley white

Patrick Crusius, white

James Holmes, 24 white

Robert D. Bowers, 46, white

Omar Mateen, 29 black	black
Aaron Alexis, 34 black	Black
DeWayne Craddock, 40 black	Black
James Edward Pough, 42 black	Black
Omar S. Thornton, 34, black	Black

Seung-Hui Cho, 23, Asian	Asian
Jiverly Wong, Asian	Asian

Nikolas J. Cruz,, Hispanic

Jeffrey Weise, 16 Indian

Syed Rizwan Farook	Arab
Nidal Malik Hasan, 39	Arab
Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa,	Arab

 

[johnnydepth]

 

[Lurker23]

Ahh, the same infant shows up to cry when presented with facts. That's the fifth time you've done this in this thread alone.

Why are you here? The grown-ups are having a discussion. If you can't reply like an adult, maybe you should take your 4 year old behind out of the thread?