Trump will win the 2020 Election ! !

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Bobert1969

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Well like why I walked away from that discussion as I was being played for using irrational thought processes
based on sound bites and op-ed pieces presented (incorrectly) as factual news which Bobert was doing the
exact same thing. Only his "brighter and wiser" intellect it seems was the only solution to be found as legit.
So to that my friend Bobert,............I silently walked away seeing that there was no discourse for correction
or rational thought to the disscussion as you so admitted that you enjoy the circus of seeing how far the irrational thought processes will go.
Well I found out what your irrational thought processes are by making that statement and refuse to play
YOUR childish game. So again as I was walking away with arm pointing back toward you with finger
proudly displayed in the upright position. (middle finger that is). I'll let you ponder that thought
process. I finished pondering it a long time ago as densepark mentioned as well, with a thought out
response of, SHOVE IT!!!

I certainly don't expect a response from you as you stated yourself, you expected an irrational thought
process so their you go buddy!




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I'm not even clear what we were debating about. I think it was about the riots in Portland and when I asked you a series of questions to avoid the useless game you were playing of oneupmanship, you bailed. I don't blame you ,really, as it was becoming more of a circular argument. Btw, here we are a month later, more riots, more cities and no there are no "Gestapo tactics" that you can use to justify the madness as you did with the Portland riots. Now that I recall your points, it's funny to think about how irrelevant the Portland Mayor's crying about being teargassed is and I genuinely am curious about your thoughts about the current riot situation is. I do recall you asked me to unwind by watching a comical Trump Youtube parody video yet you're the one giving me the metaphorical middle finger and telling me to "shove it". Maybe take your own advice sometime as this is all a completely useless debate with anonymous pooners. Let that sink in for a moment before you respond (if).
 

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You really should learn to look past your emotional knee jerk reactions and fact check even the fact checkers.
Yes knee jerk reactions to the racist behavior of an American President that only alters the facts and changes answers given to media quite a few times before giving in (days later sometimes) to reexplain his statements.

Question to you, why do you support this racist? You must share many of his beliefs.

When Trump uses the name Pocahantis what is the purpose of using the name of a very young native who was used and abused by White Conquerers and then sent to England as a demonstration piece. Called a "Civilized Savage" in the papers. Now if Trump is a Genius as you and his dumbass supporters claim, why does he choose the words he chooses like "shit hole" Countries "them people" "your people" etc. Tries to trade Puerto Rico for Greenland?

Choke on this Article Racist Bobert

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-racism-examples_n_5991dcabe4b09071f69b9261
You pretend to be so intelligent just like the racist anti christ of Evangelical Christians.
 
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Sorry the Aluminum tariff is to get money from Canada (the tax). Raising the price of aluminum, also makes it easier for local US aluminum companies to get mined and manufacturered (in other words it easier to raise the price from Canada, in order for the US companies to produce aluminum) which means jobs down the line for Americans....
And its fuck you salute to Trudeau.
 

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"Yes knee jerk reactions to the racist behavior of an American President that only alters the facts and changes answers given to media quite a few times before giving in (days later sometimes) to reexplain his statements."

Interesting. So the main point of the video you first presented "Proof Trump is A Racist" relied on the most extreme liberal in Congress saying he's a racist and very deep and strong efforts to pull racist sentiment out of assumptions of intent rather than actual words or actions. The strongest evidence that video had was the "very fine people" comment, which I then showed was 100% false and you have no comment on that? That particular instance is quoted probably more times than anything else in order to prove Trump is a racist, and I showed you that it is a complete fabrication. Nothing? Deflection? Did you watch the video? Forgive me but this is absolutely fantastic that you can ignore the hard evidence. You see, that is what I try to rely on when it comes to such matters. Some things that I read I do take at face value, but there are certain subjects that I know are prime for misrepresentation and those topics I will investigate for myself, if I find them interesting. It is both disturbing and liberating at the same time.

To answer your questions.
I support Trump because his policies have (mainly) been good for the US but some of his foreign policy is good for the Western World, especially with regards to the CCCP. I look at him and see him for what he is. He was a private citizen before he was elected and I simply cannot hold anyone like him to a higher standard that he never strived for, much less tried to convince anyone of, beforehand. He is not perfect, and he does have racist tendencies (yes, there is a difference) but I do not believe he is pure racist. There is simply too much evidence to the contrary and it doesn't have to be examined in detail and picked apart to prove as much. Joe Biden on the other hand has directly made racist comments over his entire career of over 50 years.

Trump used the name Pocahontas because it was the only female native name he could probably think of that would act as a commonly known reference. His intent had nothing to do with the actual historical Pocahontas and I think anyone that can think rationally understands that. The intent was to mock a woman that has lied about her native lineage and used this lie to advance her career at the expense of actual native Americans. Ironically, Warren spoke at the Native American Caucus during the DNC the other week, which is simply hilarious, if not disturbing.

The article you asked me to "choke on" (that's very adult of you) is mainly full of third party, unverified accounts and irrelevant comments that are hardly racist. For instance, have you ever been to Haiti? I have. The people are great, but parts of the country are a shit hole, indeed. I asked a buddy of mine that moved here from Africa about the shit hole comment around the time that it happened and he agreed that parts of Africa are a shit hole. "Why do you think I came to Canada" was his response , with laughter.

"You pretend to be so intelligent just like the racist anti christ of Evangelical Christians."

I'm not sure what my intelligence, or lack thereof, has to do with anything. I'm simply asking you to justify your positions and you're making knee jerk reactions, trying to prove your points with facts that are, in reality, opinions of people other than yourself or, at most, accusations by third parties about things Trump has said and not the actual quotes by Trump that we can all fact check for ourselves. You then directed me to "choke" on the article you presented and called me a racist.

But for a moment, let us assume that we agree that Trump is a racist. What do you think about Biden? Is he a racist?

I look forward to your response.
 

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Trump had done more for rich Americans, then the middle class and the poor. Tax cuts for the rich. Cutting off the med-aid brought in by Obama. He continues to bring in the religious right vote, by conforming to abolish abortion (which many christian groups are against). Alot of rich Americans are getting rich off of government contracts for prisons and associated services. Hence the quota of police to put poor black men away on possesion charges (where they spend years). Not only is this a continuation of systemic racism in the states since the black people won freedom in the American Civil War (1865), Black people didn't fully achieve voting until 1965 and the right to be equal.
Trump is an anti Christian. He has had relationships outside marriage (Last time I heard most churches usually don't like it if you commit adultery). He has covered those relationships up. He claims to be a billionaire (although he has had at least 2 companies go bankrupt- paying out cents on the dollars he owed), yet he still is a billionaire. Allready he is trying to rig the election in the fall, by limiting the mail system for mail in ballots. Poor people use the mail because they can't take time off to vote.

America is turning into the haves and have nots..... the rich vs the poor...... the masters and the slaves....

Look at Trump now, using the White house as a back drop in his re-election bid.

Now say King Donald the First, or how about Emperor Donald..... if he is re-elected civil liberties will be taken away. Think those riots will continue?
 
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Trump had done more for rich Americans, then the middle class and the poor. Tax cuts for the rich. Cutting off the med-aid brought in by Obama. He continues to bring in the religious right vote, by conforming to abolish abortion (which many christian groups are against). Alot of rich Americans are getting rich off of government contracts for prisons and associated services. Hence the quota of police to put poor black men away on possesion charges (where they spend years). Not only is this a continuation of systemic racism in the states since the black people won freedom in the American Civil War (1865), Black people didn't fully achieve voting until 1965 and the right to be equal.
Trump is an anti Christian. He has had relationships outside marriage (Last time I heard most churches usually don't like it if you commit adultery). He has covered those relationships up. He claims to be a billionaire (although he has had at least 2 companies go bankrupt- paying out cents on the dollars he owed), yet he still is a billionaire. Allready he is trying to rig the election in the fall, by limiting the mail system for mail in ballots. Poor people use the mail because they can't take time off to vote.

America is turning into the haves and have nots..... the rich vs the poor...... the masters and the slaves....

Look at Trump now, using the White house as a back drop in his re-election bid.

Now say King Donald the First, or how about Emperor Donald..... if he is re-elected civil liberties will be taken away. Think those riots will continue?
"Trump had done more for rich Americans, then the middle class and the poor. Tax cuts for the rich."

False. Through November, 2019, Americans making between 50,000 and 100,00 per year saw a 12.5% drop in tax liabilities.
Those making between $25,000 to $30,000 saw an 11.2% drop.
Those making between 100,000 and 200,00 saw a drop of 10.9%
The single biggest drop came for those making between 40,00 and 50,000 at 14.5%.
The second biggest drop was for those making between 250,000 and 500,000 at 14.4%.
Taxpayers making at least 1,000,000 saw only a 4.3% drop.

"Cutting off the med-aid brought in by Obama."
False
Trump repealed the individual mandate, which was among the least popular parts of Obamacare. This was a mandate that made it mandatory for individuals to buy insurance or pay a tax penalty. Trump said the people shouldn't have to be threatened by a tax if they don't have health insurance and the numbers are showing that younger people are the ones not buying into the program. It is their choice, which they did not have before.

"He continues to bring in the religious right vote, by conforming to abolish abortion (which many christian groups are against)."
Many people, religious, feel this is a good thing but if you've not noticed many "Christians" are also endorsing Biden because they don't feel Trump supports a Christian narrative.

"Alot of rich Americans are getting rich off of government contracts for prisons and associated services."

I don't believe in private prison systems as there is something wrong with having an incentive to hold someone against their will. However, private prisons in the US house only 10% of the total prison population. While it is small, no amount should be small enough till we get to zero. But keep in mind, Trump has nothing to do with this. Private prisons were cleared for operation in 1983.

"Hence the quota of police to put poor black men away on possesion charges (where they spend years). Not only is this a continuation of systemic racism in the states since the black people won freedom in the American Civil War (1865), Black people didn't fully achieve voting until 1965 and the right to be equal."

Again, the number of persons incarcerated in the private prison system is only in the neighbourhood of ten percent, so it hardly constitutes as being remotely "systemic". Not sure what the voting laws have to do with this but it was Trump that signed the Prison reform bill which effectively released thousands of African Americans from prison. Biden on the other hand drafted and sponsored the bill which eventually was passed into law as the "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act". This law was responsible for directly funding the public prison expansion on the state level. It also removed access for prisoners to Pell Grants that would have allowed them to pursue a college education at no cost, since as a "grant" they do not have to be paid back.

"Trump is an anti Christian. He has had relationships outside marriage (Last time I heard most churches usually don't like it if you commit adultery). He has covered those relationships up."

Which is it? He's either pro Christian because he's spoken about being anti-abortion or he's not Christian because he's and adulterer? He's not the first to do this and when he did, he was a private citizen. Two of the most beloved Presidents in the past 70 years were adulterers WHILE they were in office and attempted to cover them up, which were Kennedy and Clinton. Clinton was impeached because he lied to Congress about it.

"He claims to be a billionaire (although he has had at least 2 companies go bankrupt- paying out cents on the dollars he owed), yet he still is a billionaire."

His estimated net worth has indeed pegged him as being in the billionaire club (roughly 3 Billion) but bankruptcies are irrelevant in the grand scheme of business in general as they can sometimes be used, and are used, to improve one's business. It is a common practice and can be considered as a smart move financially. It is also completely legal so I find it hard to critique someone for doing something that is legal and even beneficial. Also consider that Trump owns roughly 500 businesses, which far overshadows a few bankruptcies.

"Allready he is trying to rig the election in the fall, by limiting the mail system for mail in ballots. Poor people use the mail because they can't take time off to vote."

First, any and all changes to the postal system are being postponed till after the election. However, if you're referring to the removal of blue mail boxes and mail sorting machines, this is a normal course of postal service operations annually. In fact, the removals were part of the previous post-master general's recommendations and she was appointed by Obama in 2015. Between 2005 and 2012, the Postal Service took 12,000 blue mail boxes out of service so it is a normal process based on the amount of mail the USPS is delivering. And there is a difference between universal mail in voting and absentee mail in voting. There are looser standards with universal mail in voting because ballots are not requested by registered voters, they are automatically sent out based on last known address. Many of these ballots go to the right address but the practice can see the registered voter either no longer lives at that address and failed to update the record or they've simply died and the family never updated the record. This leaves the opportunity for fraud much more open. Conversely, an "absentee" ballot is a mail in ballot but one that has been directly requested by the registered voter. This lessens the opportunity, but not eliminates it, for fraud. Before Covid, universal mail in voting was quite rare with only five states having a universal mail in voting system. Regarding the "poor people" comment, most polling stations are open for at least 12 hours so this isn't a valid argument unless your point is that poor people work at least 12 hours a day. With most states allowing time off for voting, this becomes less of an argument.

I hope this helps you to see the issues more clearly.
 

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Isn't that amazing. First a neice and then his own sister? Sane family members get it right.
Pretty funny. I quickly downloaded the book (thankyou thepiratebay) and jumped to the section where the Mary Trump recorded the Barry Trump (esteemed judge and all) raking the Donald over the coals. Who need enemies when Family will do? LOL

The office has turned into such a joke, it's no wonder the downstream antics of the administration can get away with so much; they just have to blame the leader!

Biden is an even WORSE joke, so I could imagine the US should expect things to get even worse (if that is possible) if he were to get into office.

Trump is a known evil and a fabulous source of unending entertainment, so I do agree he would be re-elected.
 
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So wait; You said I said Trump does not lie, then I agreed he does lie, but asked you to quote me where I said "Trump does not lie" (your words) and your proof is by quoting me where I did not say that Trump does not lie but was asking you a question about what you based your claim of him "constantly lying" on? Maybe go back and read it from the beginning, if you care enough to, but man you really don't appear to be thinking this through.
Where did I quote you saying "Trump does not lie" ??? May be YOU should go read the posts again. You are either woefully dumb as a rock, or are trying take advantage of people trying to a find a middle ground with your kind of deplorables. People like you push sane people further to believe there is no salvaging trump supporters. Energies are better spent elsewhere.
 
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Awesome. Thank you for sharing such a brilliant article that Trump Supporters will definitely consider liberal bullshit trash.

I truly hoped that Canadians were smarter than their American Cousins but everyday that I come back to this blog, I learned that there are many Canadians (who for some unknown reasons) feel they must defend a lieing, cheating, racist, white privileged, dictator praising, self centred misogenist. So my findings thus far are that there are a multitude of Canadians here who are very much like the multitude of Americans who support Trump. Just plain dumb and blind.

While they try to counter their arguments by denying the things Trump has done or said with attacks on socialism and the democrats the real issue here is that the USA is polarized and its Citizens are at war with each other on the issues of race, religion, immigration and politics.

I don't support Joe Biden and I won't be voting for Justin Trudeau in the next election because most all political streams of thinking are about power and money. No matter who is in the position of power they become corrupt. I have voted in most every federal and provincial election to try to bring the corrupt governments down

I will not defend Extreme Right or Extreme Left positions because they are not able to find common ground. I will forever remain in the middle. Religion and Politics are the primary reasons we go to war.

This Article by Wade Davis is brilliantly written but of course I do expect that the many Trump supporters here will attack it as nonsense. America is doomed under Donald Trump.
 
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Canada has traditionally had a Centrist voting population, we would vote both ways when we thought the govt in thepower was no longer doing a good job. If you took the best from the left and the best from the right supposedly you would find a well serving government, these days all bets are off, agendas play one side against the other instead of doing what is right for the country. I’ve had some unhappy Americans poopooing this essay, nothing can get through to them, they believe there already is a cure for Covid. What disturbed me the most is how the essay stated the quickest ever vaccine developed took 4 years, can’t imagine this shit being around unchecked for that long, we are in for some very strange times.?
 
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