Congress to start TRUMP impeachment process

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Sifupoon

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It is frankly quite scary how many veiled, or even direct threats, hopes or wishes that he be assassinated. Be careful what you wish for, because if it does happen, it could very well trigger another civil war.
Kinda hard to believe when his own people are running from the sinking ship he created.
Those that aren't there to run were either fired or quit. Sounds like a real strong base to start with
for you to suggest it could all start a civil war.

As of today though, William Taylor might be known as the Trump assassin, if this all ends
where I think it will. Bolo for that one.
 

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Kinda hard to believe when his own people are running from the sinking ship he created.
Those that aren't there to run were either fired or quit. Sounds like a real strong base to start with
for you to suggest it could all start a civil war.

As of today though, William Taylor might be known as the Trump assassin, if this all ends
where I think it will. Bolo for that one.
Don't be so hasty. The Schiff Show under way is a farce, and whatever CNN tells you, you can guarantee is overblown, and probably wrong. Already there are reports his testimony was third or fouth hand, and not direct.

When the power mad won't accept election results in many countries, they stage coups. In the US, they start false impeachment hearings. Spot the difference.

And the hyposrisy over Trump using "lynching" which got Democrats in a frenzy, but...https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ts-called-bill-clintons-impeachment-lynching/
 
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Don't be so hasty. The Schiff Show under way is a farce, and whatever CNN tells you, you can guarantee is overblown, and probably wrong. Already there are reports his testimony was third or fouth hand, and not direct.

When the power mad won't accept election results in many countries, they stage coups. In the US, they start false impeachment hearings. Spot the difference.

And the hyposrisy over Trump using "lynching" which got Democrats in a frenzy, but...https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ts-called-bill-clintons-impeachment-lynching/
Irregardless of the media source, transcripts of the testimonies are available on-line.

Yesterday’s testimony by Bill Taylor was crucial by directly tying #45’s quid pro quo to the release of $400M in exchange by the Ukrainian President stating publicly of the alleged Biden’s corruption and the DNC Server (still no proof of its existence has been presented).

Bill Taylor’s resume spanned Geo W Bush and Obama administrations. West Point grad top 1% of class, decorated Vietnam commander, and part of the diplomatic corps in Europe until this year. He is still assigned to the State Dept.

If this man is termed ‘Deep State’, I would like to see any proof from credible sources.

https://time.com/5707686/bill-taylor-testimony-donald-trump/
 

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lock her up! lock her up! lock her up!

Clinton email probe finds no deliberate mishandling of classified information

don't lock her up! don't lock her up! don't lock her up!
Well, that was quite the spin.

Nice spin there, Reuters.

Not “NONE”, but “…No Persuasive Evidence..”. 500 cases of mishandling, for most of which they could not find ANYONE responsible. Just fairies, I guess.

Did all it take to make the problem go away, was for those involved to say, "Oops, I accidentally erased that incriminating email."

And this does not include the emails Clinton destroyed after she was told not to.

If this was Trump, the media would be crucifying him over this.
 

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Well, that was quite the spin.

Nice spin there, Reuters.

Not “NONE”, but “…No Persuasive Evidence..”. 500 cases of mishandling, for most of which they could not find ANYONE responsible. Just fairies, I guess.

Did all it take to make the problem go away, was for those involved to say, "Oops, I accidentally erased that incriminating email."

And this does not include the emails Clinton destroyed after she was told not to.

If this was Trump, the media would be crucifying him over this.
Probably right on the first count. Clinton probably "mishandled" classified information. but also, probably not with malicious intent, like "i'm going to purposely mishandle this so that our adversaries will get hold of it".

Trump doesn't "mishandle" classified information, he uses proper channels to divulge US secrets to adversaries.
 

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Just a reminder that Hillary Clinton currently holds no office and her ongoing actions can do no further damage. Unlike someone else I could mention.
 

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Just a reminder that Hillary Clinton currently holds no office and her ongoing actions can do no further damage. Unlike someone else I could mention.
Yeah, but in honour of the season, she continues to rise from the dead.

Why is she even commenting on Tulsi Gabbard? Why is she still inserting herself into anything, other than ill-fitting pant suits?

Why does she think she's smart about anything, since she personally blew the last election?

To Donald Trump.

Of course, there was Russion collusion to do it. Oh, wait...
 

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Yeah, but in honour of the season, she continues to rise from the dead.

Why is she even commenting on Tulsi Gabbard? Why is she still inserting herself into anything, other than ill-fitting pant suits?

Why does she think she's smart about anything, since she personally blew the last election?

To Donald Trump.

Of course, there was Russion collusion to do it. Oh, wait...
I don't fault her for commenting as a civilian. You and I are commenting as civilians. Only difference is she's got a larger following on Twitter so what she says gets amplified, but she's not shouting any louder than you or I.

Edit to add: so your real question shouldn't be "why is she still talking?" It should be "why are people still listening?"
 

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Edit to add: so your real question shouldn't be "why is she still talking?" It should be "why are people still listening?"
If someone publically called you a traitor, wouldn't you defend yourself?
 

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If someone publically called you a traitor, wouldn't you defend yourself?
Totally separate question, and yeah of course. But be it Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump or anyone famous, the deeper problem is not what they're saying, but who's listening to it.
 

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Why would Adam Schiff hide the testimony of William Taylor and then only have the stuff leaked out to the press that he wants to? Why is it not being done in public? Trying to impeach a democratically elected president behind closed doors with an election one year away sets a very dangerous precedent for the future. This has become a tribal mentality of get someone at all costs, without regard for the consequences, or the American people.
 

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Why would Adam Schiff hide the testimony of William Taylor and then only have the stuff leaked out to the press that he wants to? Why is it not being done in public? Trying to impeach a democratically elected president behind closed doors with an election one year away sets a very dangerous precedent for the future. This has become a tribal mentality of get someone at all costs, without regard for the consequences, or the American people.
Ok, now that rhetoric is crazy. Does a DA interview witnesses and put together his case in a public gallery where the peanut gallery gets to watch and critique (and other witnesses also get to see everything everyone else is saying, contaminating their story)? No. This is the gathering of evidence, not the trial. There is absolutely no reason for that to be public. Wait for the impeachment trial before you start complaining about transparency.
 

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Why would Adam Schiff hide the testimony of William Taylor and then only have the stuff leaked out to the press that he wants to? Why is it not being done in public? Trying to impeach a democratically elected president behind closed doors with an election one year away sets a very dangerous precedent for the future. This has become a tribal mentality of get someone at all costs, without regard for the consequences, or the American people.
Because the Republicans have always turned public forums into a gong show attempting to get those 10 second sound bites that the deplorables eat up like gummy bears.

The Senators from both sides have been given equal time to question the witnesses. That’s all that’s required at this point. Moving the trial to the Senate will be public.
 

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Don't be so hasty. The Schiff Show under way is a farce, and whatever CNN tells you, you can guarantee is overblown, and probably wrong. Already there are reports his testimony was third or fouth hand, and not direct.

When the power mad won't accept election results in many countries, they stage coups. In the US, they start false impeachment hearings. Spot the difference.

And the hyposrisy over Trump using "lynching" which got Democrats in a frenzy, but...https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ts-called-bill-clintons-impeachment-lynching/
The only false rhetoric to be mindful of here CT is when a "leader" of a country tells the populace that anything you hear
out there not in my favour is FAKE NEWS, I look at the leader and his "state run bullshit" as a very large problem.
Putin has a state run media............and oh my gosh...........so does Kim!! Interesting eh?

Even Hitler had a state run National radio station. I wonder why? Don't start forgetting your history or you're bound to repeat it. As it would seem Trump wants everyone to do.

So yah man, when a leader of a country starts telling me that what I hear on national TV and radio is fake news.
I look back at that man and say to him. Oh really? Do they have good reason to attack you?
Most likely they really do when you take offense to what they say,
Like with fact checking which all the republicans RUN FROM!!

As usual just cuz trump says a million lies a year over and over and over and over again does not make them truth. Take careful note of that.
Don't be fooled by a wannabe oligarch communist.

Can you now spot the difference?
 

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Ok, now that rhetoric is crazy. Does a DA interview witnesses and put together his case in a public gallery where the peanut gallery gets to watch and critique (and other witnesses also get to see everything everyone else is saying, contaminating their story)? No. This is the gathering of evidence, not the trial. There is absolutely no reason for that to be public. Wait for the impeachment trial before you start complaining about transparency.
The transcript of the call with the Ukrainian president was released for everyone to see. That was what the Democrats based their impeachment on. It was totally public. All the rest of the information they are bringing forward behind closed doors is Russiagate 2.0. I am not saying that Schiff didn’t legally have a right to do it. But morally it turns into an impeachment searching for a crime. I am actually hoping that it makes it to the Senate so that the Republicans can bring all their witnesses forward to testify in public.
 

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The transcript of the call with the Ukrainian president was released for everyone to see. That was what the Democrats based their impeachment on. It was totally public. All the rest of the information they are bringing forward behind closed doors is Russiagate 2.0. I am not saying that Schiff didn’t legally have a right to do it. But morally it turns into an impeachment searching for a crime. I am actually hoping that it makes it to the Senate so that the Republicans can bring all their witnesses forward to testify in public.
My understanding is that the whistleblower's report is what they based the impeachment on. The call transcript is something secondary that they found to (in their opinion) corroborate it, and that they could reasonably release to the public, to attempt to satisfy demand for information without compromising the investigation.

Anyway I just feel people are being impatient. The trial has to be public. If their case is a farce it'll blow up in their face and guarantee a second term for Trump. If their case is legit, then he deserves to be pushed out.
 

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but Trump stated publicly on TV that he requested Ukraine investigate the Biddens. he admitted to the crime. and then Mulvaney said it. not sure what Fox news if feeding people... that there is some other "case". they're just wrapping up the damning details and discovering who else was knowingly involved.

oh and, these Russians who were financed by the Russian mob who financed Giuliani's being Trumps personal lawyer are also now claiming executive privilege (via John Dowd) because they somehow were on Trumps legal team. what a shitty spy novel!
Indicted Giuliani Henchman Lev Parnas Raises Executive Privilege in Federal Court
 

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The transcript of the call with the Ukrainian president was released for everyone to see. That was what the Democrats based their impeachment on. It was totally public. All the rest of the information they are bringing forward behind closed doors is Russiagate 2.0. I am not saying that Schiff didn’t legally have a right to do it. But morally it turns into an impeachment searching for a crime. I am actually hoping that it makes it to the Senate so that the Republicans can bring all their witnesses forward to testify in public.
So it was ok the Republicans had closed door sessions when investigating Benghazi but now protest the same closed door session for the Impeachment Investigation?

Can’t have it both ways.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...pretending-care-about-the-impeachment-process
 

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So it was ok the Republicans had closed door sessions when investigating Benghazi but now protest the same closed door session for the Impeachment Investigation?

Can’t have it both ways.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...pretending-care-about-the-impeachment-process
Clearly we're waaaaay past any hypocrisy arguments. I've asked several times why those that support 45 so vehemently ignore the mounting evidence and only attack those willing to come-forward. I just do not understand the grip he has cuz it's so obvious to me that he's using his seat as a simple cash-grab. His followers are so deeply ego-invested that they're unable/unwilling to look objectively.
 
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