The report indicates all of BC by 2040, but Vancouver by 2030. That is coming up quick. I have been looking at new vehicles and trying to decide between an all electric versus a hybrid. Looking at the numbers for both vehicles and expected use over a 10 year period the hybrid seems to be the more economical choice at this point. The fuel savings on the electric are really killed by the added cost of the vehicle, even for someone like myself that drives about 50,000 km annually. That said, I am glad to see so many governments taking this seriously; hopefully they follow through.
BC: 100% of all new vehicles sold by 2040 have to be zero emission
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Consider importing an older model EV from Washington - same year EVs can be significantly less in the US due to their federal incentives. If you're thinking recent model, make sure the local dealership will honor the warranty.
2030
10 years from now with 2020 models rolling
NO WAY NOT HAPPENING. how many who just bought a 2019 F150 to C Class mercedes to college kids are just going to roll on over to EV. Oh and all your cheaper battery packs? more congo kid labor. good luck with 100%
10 years from now with 2020 models rolling
NO WAY NOT HAPPENING. how many who just bought a 2019 F150 to C Class mercedes to college kids are just going to roll on over to EV. Oh and all your cheaper battery packs? more congo kid labor. good luck with 100%
It does seem like a very aggressive plan. I'm curious to watch this unfold and see how many of the cities and countries that signed up actually comply. No gas or diesel vehicles in Vancouver by 2030? That is hard to imagine. However, I'm surprised Toronto isn't on the list. And of course, as usual, Winnipeg should be 50 years behind.
Only a little bit of lithium mined in the world comes from Africa; Australia and Chile are big sources.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-top-lithium-producing-countries-in-the-world.html
Where did this news morph from "all new vehicles" to "all vehicles"? I missed it.
More than just optics. There's solid reasons why the public doesn't trust it. Chernobyl, Fukushima, Chelyabinsk, Windscale, 3 Mile Island, Novaya Zelmya, Hanford. (etc.)
In theory, sure it's great, but in practice governments & corporations are always prone to cutting corners on safety, fucking up, and shoving known defects under the rug instead of dealing with them. All of this leads to disasters, which we call "accidents", but which 90% of the time are just criminal negligence. It's just about every industry that does this - mining, defense, auto industry, big pharma, tech industry etc. ... The problem is with the nuclear industry, what they're working with is so dangerous, the scale of disaster they can cause with organizational negligence is massive. Areas of the planet can become uninhabitable for thousands of years. And that includes dealing with the high level radioactive waste, which they really have no permanent solution for (so far). And because anything nuclear is also of military concern, there's an even bigger cloak of secrecy that they've hidden behind, both before and after they fuck things up.
So yeah, it's not just an optics problem, and the public is right to distrust it. What it needs is a culture change, one that amounts to absolute discipline, transparency & oversight, and always engineering things so that mistakes can not turn into mega-disasters.
The list indicates some "new vehicles only" and others that are "all vehicles",
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles
CLU is right - this thread is about BC switching to only selling NEW vehicles with zero emissions by a certain date - certainly won't affect anyone with a used vehicle either operating-wise or buying/selling.
Thank you
New Only.
as far as Lithium Ion “production” vs Cobalt mineral extraction.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt
New Only.
as far as Lithium Ion “production” vs Cobalt mineral extraction.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt
For other energy, solar, and wind and geothermal are awesome. Its just not cost effective to store the energy made (mostly because there is no infrastructure for storing the energy). Some remote Islands in the Atlantic to offset fuel cost constructed dams and solar and wind farms, the dam supplies power at off renewable times and the renewable s pump water back into the dam, as a way to store the renewable energy...
Nuclear is good, the thorium nuclear reactor was tested in the 50/60s but was shut down to the inconvenience of not having fission materials for the bomb makers. Kinda like the reason pot got banned in the 20s, the oil and paper magnates had too much to lose (couldn't get enough money back on their investment of large tracts of forests) where hemp could supply rope, clothes etc besides pot. The electric bus and trams were shut down by big oil and Goodyear (gas and tires).
The Thorium reactor is foolproof against the China syndrome.
Canada has one of the most stablest land forms in the world, the Canadian shield, earthquakes do not effect it as much as say on the coast of BC.
Canada has to come up with its own recycling program for everything, not just pawn it off to India and China. Its amazing how companies can get the packaged product to your doorstep; but they don't take responsibility for the waste packaging.
Keyboards are mined for the minute amount of gold they contain, but a the plastic in it is thrown away... its still a hydrocarbon, it can be recycled and used again...
Lithium batteries are recyclable too. Think cell phone. new phones today have to be taken to a vendor to get a new battery. Older ones use to have replacement batteries you changed out yourself; now companies like Samsung don't make replacement batteries for their phones in order to force you to buy a new phone.... something there about profits....
You won't see building codes change for EV vehicles (all new construction to have a EV charging station); mostly because the grid couldn't handle it (has enough problems with peak production in the summer AC months), let alone charge every EV car in BC for a day.....the infrastructure is not there to provide that amount of energy. There is no big time storage devices for solar/wind/geothermal energy on a scale for all of BC. The storage devices would have to be 2-3 time over max daily amount (minimum estimate)of max electricity used in a day; if we are to use Electric vehicles.... (saftey factor of 10 for most engineers-- so cost being the prohibited side 2-3 times is on the low side of storing electricity....
So the people saying this are basicly clueless, and forgot about what they need for infrastruction in order for their only new EV by 2030.
And the government has no money to invest in such infrastructure.... unless you are Crowdfunding it to the public...
There are a few battery storage options found on Utube, very interesting , one was a iron-water battery in tractor trailer.
Another way to store energy would be to use renewable to crack the H2O into hydrogen and oxygen. The oxygen could be used for medical uses etc. The hydrogen stored and then burnt in an ICE engine or gas turbine to produce energy for the car, but there is a material problem, hydrogen burns too hot.... A hydrogen gas turbine car.... hmmmm....
A fuel cell uses hydrogen and its product is water, but it requires a storage method for hydrogen (in a car/vehicle) and needs platinum as a catalyst to finish creating electricity in the fuel cell..
Nuclear is good, the thorium nuclear reactor was tested in the 50/60s but was shut down to the inconvenience of not having fission materials for the bomb makers. Kinda like the reason pot got banned in the 20s, the oil and paper magnates had too much to lose (couldn't get enough money back on their investment of large tracts of forests) where hemp could supply rope, clothes etc besides pot. The electric bus and trams were shut down by big oil and Goodyear (gas and tires).
The Thorium reactor is foolproof against the China syndrome.
Canada has one of the most stablest land forms in the world, the Canadian shield, earthquakes do not effect it as much as say on the coast of BC.
Canada has to come up with its own recycling program for everything, not just pawn it off to India and China. Its amazing how companies can get the packaged product to your doorstep; but they don't take responsibility for the waste packaging.
Keyboards are mined for the minute amount of gold they contain, but a the plastic in it is thrown away... its still a hydrocarbon, it can be recycled and used again...
Lithium batteries are recyclable too. Think cell phone. new phones today have to be taken to a vendor to get a new battery. Older ones use to have replacement batteries you changed out yourself; now companies like Samsung don't make replacement batteries for their phones in order to force you to buy a new phone.... something there about profits....
You won't see building codes change for EV vehicles (all new construction to have a EV charging station); mostly because the grid couldn't handle it (has enough problems with peak production in the summer AC months), let alone charge every EV car in BC for a day.....the infrastructure is not there to provide that amount of energy. There is no big time storage devices for solar/wind/geothermal energy on a scale for all of BC. The storage devices would have to be 2-3 time over max daily amount (minimum estimate)of max electricity used in a day; if we are to use Electric vehicles.... (saftey factor of 10 for most engineers-- so cost being the prohibited side 2-3 times is on the low side of storing electricity....
So the people saying this are basicly clueless, and forgot about what they need for infrastruction in order for their only new EV by 2030.
And the government has no money to invest in such infrastructure.... unless you are Crowdfunding it to the public...
There are a few battery storage options found on Utube, very interesting , one was a iron-water battery in tractor trailer.
Another way to store energy would be to use renewable to crack the H2O into hydrogen and oxygen. The oxygen could be used for medical uses etc. The hydrogen stored and then burnt in an ICE engine or gas turbine to produce energy for the car, but there is a material problem, hydrogen burns too hot.... A hydrogen gas turbine car.... hmmmm....
A fuel cell uses hydrogen and its product is water, but it requires a storage method for hydrogen (in a car/vehicle) and needs platinum as a catalyst to finish creating electricity in the fuel cell..
