Canadian ISIS brides

Cock Throppled

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Devil's advocate:

1. The revocation of Canadian citizenship was a highly controversial move taken by the Harper government, for the first time in our country's history.

2. The agency of women isn't big among such fundamentalists. We should not assume that all women were willing participants.

My opinion: allow them to come back, subject to Canadian law. If sex tourists who are Canadian citizens can be jailed in Canada for pedophilia abroad, then those who have committed culpable war crimes abroad should similarly be open to prosecution upon their return. But like every other one of our citizens, innocent until proven guilty. They need to be considered on a case by case basis.

If a bank robber takes hostages, the hostages are not charged with being accessories even if the existence of hostages ultimately helped the guy escape. If they actively helped, that's another story. The same standard should be applied here.
You should be a judge tying yourself in knots trying to find guilty people innocent.

It was well-known what ISIS was when these women VOLUNTARILY travelled to the Middle East to join up.

None of them went for love, they were there to become breeders to whomever they were assigned to couple with to produce as many future terrorists as possible

The ISIS death cult killed anyone not of their twisted beliefs, including other Muslims, children and elderly. They existed to destroy - artifacts, history, their own religion, non-believers, and do it in the most gruesome, violent, tortuous, painful ways possible.

NOBODY going to the trouble of fleeing their own country - especially one so far away as Canada, to join these lunatics didn't know exactly what they were doing. Hostages aren't charged for a bank robbery, but accomplices and abetters sure are, but that's because they are already on scene.

When these women chose to go to extraordinary measures to join a terrorists organization, they gave up their home country's rights, and should be left where they are. They gave up family, friends, school, and jobs to join ISIS. The only reason they want back is because ISIS has been trashed, not because they've suddenly "seen the light".
 

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i think if you live by a set of beliefs you should be held to that set of beliefs. I say bring them back to Canada and execute them.
 

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You should be a judge tying yourself in knots trying to find guilty people innocent.

It was well-known what ISIS was when these women VOLUNTARILY travelled to the Middle East to join up.

None of them went for love, they were there to become breeders to whomever they were assigned to couple with to produce as many future terrorists as possible

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The one article I read separately on the topic was speaking of women who went with their husbands out of duty, not solo as "breeders to be assigned". That's also what the OP refers to. What you're talking about is not what I'm talking about.

In the cases where the husband was killed they were then not allowed to leave.

Hence it's important to look at them case by case. I'm not tying myself in knots, you're overgeneralising. Maybe you don't have any benefit of the doubt to give to the wives who felt compelled to act out of duty either, but if you're going to dispute what I wrote at least do it without rewriting what I was talking about.
 

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This is a good thread. Most everybody understands the evil that is Islam.

Islam has no legitimate place in Canada nor most anywhere else. Islam is a death cult at eternal war with itself, Sunni versus Shia, each sworn to annihilate each other for non-compliance of the tenets of Islam and eventually anyone else. Sunni led by the most pious or "qualified" centred on Saudi Arabia. Shia led by descendants of the founder of Islam centred in Iran.
 

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I'm pretty much agnostic.

All religions are death cults; they all profess a greater after life. All religions have their extremists. Probably none more over the eras than the Christians. In recent history, Irish Catholics and Protestants. They have been fighting for so long they can't remember why, so they make up a new reason.

As for ISIS brides, they bought into it. Let them drink the Kool-Aid.
 

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I find the correlation (or convergence) between the extreme right, ignorance of our laws and islamophobia extremely troubling in this thread.
Maybe talk to someone who is muslim or travel to a muslim country and educate yourselves.
 

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I find the correlation (or convergence) between the extreme right, ignorance of our laws and islamophobia extremely troubling in this thread.
Maybe talk to someone who is muslim or travel to a muslim country and educate yourselves.
Perhaps you need to educate yourself, whenever the Muslim community gets to a certain size they want Sharia Law in their new homelands. Bill 103 was pushed thru the Canadian parlament by Muslim MP's, its OK to put down any religion except Islam. Once you cant criticize something for what it is everyone loses, even Moderate Muslims support Sharia. Religion has been the the main ingredient in the worlds chaos and this one is still stuck in the past from 800 years ago!

 

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All of them are guilty just like everyone who worked for the Nazis is guilty. Remember the 90 year old bookkeeper who went to prison? All these wives contributed to the ISIS cause simply by being there. Their children should be taken from them as they are unfit to raise them.
You mean like the Sonderkommando...
 

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It was well-known what ISIS was when these women VOLUNTARILY travelled to the Middle East to join up.
It required a lot of work to get there too, this was no whim. Complex travel plans to get from Toronto to Turkey, hiking miles across no man's lands, hooking up with their online boyfriends...this was not like meeting the naughty kids at the video arcade.

These women knew what they were doing.
They were NOT humanitarians.
They are opportunists and they fucked up. Good riddance.
 

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I find the correlation (or convergence) between the extreme right, ignorance of our laws and islamophobia extremely troubling in this thread.
Maybe talk to someone who is muslim or travel to a muslim country and educate yourselves.
Agreed. I worked quite closely with Pashtun families in my last teaching position. I have known a number of really amazing Ismaili Muslim people who do tremendous charity work like the annual Agha Khan Walk, that raises money for a different charity every year in their local community.

The word "Islam" can literally be translated as "submission to the will of God".

Christians teach "For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son...(yadda yadda)

Monty Python teaches us that because "Every Sperm is Sacred", it's medical experiments for the lot, I'm afraid.

No religion is inherently GOOD, or EVIL
It is how the tenets of that religion are used by those WITH power & control over those without it, as a tool of subjugation.
 

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Perhaps you need to educate yourself, whenever the Muslim community gets to a certain size they want Sharia Law in their new homelands. Bill 103 was pushed thru the Canadian parlament by Muslim MP's, its OK to put down any religion except Islam. Once you cant criticize something for what it is everyone loses, even Moderate Muslims support Sharia. Religion has been the the main ingredient in the worlds chaos and this one is still stuck in the past from 800 years ago!

How do 11 mps push through a bill? Even the suggestion is laughable.

And if what you say is true about all Muslims wanting Sharia law, why doesn't every Muslim majority country have Sharia law?

Your claims are pure Islamaphobic - spreading untruths to spread antimuslim hysteria.

If you want something more realistic to fear - be afraid of the bible thumpers and their right wing allies trying to base even more of our laws on the Old Testament!
 

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Perhaps you need to educate yourself, whenever the Muslim community gets to a certain size they want Sharia Law in their new homelands. Bill 103 was pushed thru the Canadian parlament by Muslim MP's, its OK to put down any religion except Islam. Once you cant criticize something for what it is everyone loses, even Moderate Muslims support Sharia. Religion has been the the main ingredient in the worlds chaos and this one is still stuck in the past from 800 years ago!

I don't believe I have ever met a single Ismaili who would like to see Sharia law imposed, & they are about as moderate as Islam gets!
 

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I don't believe I have ever met a single Ismaili who would like to see Sharia law imposed, & they are about as moderate as Islam gets!
Ismaili seem the be the exception they are the most benign and chraitable, if the rest would be like them there would be no problem what so ever. Its the other guys causing the problems Shia and Sunni cant seem to elevate themselves to 2019, they are living in the past. Everything seems to be Haram unless you are part of the Muslim faith, out of the billions of Muslims its estimated 350 million are of the extremist beliefs, thats a huge number. These women who joined Isis are part of this group and there is no reason they should be allowed back. They made their bed they should sleep in it!
When an extremist family can produce an Omar Khadir with terrorist training in their homeland and he comes back here and gets 10,000,000, domwe really need more of this BS.
Anyone should be welcome in Canada but your loyalty should be to this country and not some Caliphate extremists.
 

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I think it sets a very dangerous precedent to ban Canadians from returning home - especially if they are children or women who may not have been personally involved in any acts of violence.

By banning citizens from returning home you are making them stateless.

Should a Canadian who supports/supported the PKK, IRA, PLO or ANC be banned from returning to Canada?

there is no precedent being set

they're in a foreign country, have committed human rights crimes, thru their support or thru their actions

we don't have a law that says we need to take them back

they can stay and be judged by the Syrian authorities


which is what should have happened with Omar, he should have been sent back to Afghanistan


that's what this whole bullshit is about

the Kurds/Americans don't want to give them to the Syrians/Iraqis

because they will just kill them

which they have every right to

and should

or do you believe they don't have any authority in their own country?








Devil's advocate:

1. The revocation of Canadian citizenship was a highly controversial move taken by the Harper government, for the first time in our country's history.
pretty hard to take you seriously when you can't even get basic facts right

we've been taking away peoples citizenship away long before Harper came along

in fact Zoolander is still doing it (and he's been doing it in larger numbers)

he just won't do it with terrorists, cause he's a terrorist sympathizer, his words/actions support that conclusion

we're trying to kick out feeble 90 yr old white guys, you know, supposed Nazis, even the one's who didn't actually kill anyone, clerks, accountants

they've kicked out people for lying when obtaining citizenship, unless you're an Iranian Liberal

Harper just wanted to add another specific reason to the list



I find the correlation (or convergence) between the extreme right, ignorance of our laws and islamophobia extremely troubling in this thread.
Maybe talk to someone who is muslim or travel to a muslim country and educate yourselves.
then maybe you could point out all these "so called" great Muslim majority countries

Syria? Saudia Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Bahrain, UAE, Yemen, Gaza, ect....

can you name one, where Gays, Women, Jews, Christians, basically anyone who isn't Muslim?

are treated well, like equals?

that are Democracies, and yes, real democracies

where they aren't putting reporters in jail, opposition leaders, ect.....



Agreed. I worked quite closely with Pashtun families in my last teaching position. I have known a number of really amazing Ismaili Muslim people who do tremendous charity work like the annual Agha Khan Walk, that raises money for a different charity every year in their local community.

The word "Islam" can literally be translated as "submission to the will of God".

Christians teach "For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son...(yadda yadda)

Monty Python teaches us that because "Every Sperm is Sacred", it's medical experiments for the lot, I'm afraid.

No religion is inherently GOOD, or EVIL
It is how the tenets of that religion are used by those WITH power & control over those without it, as a tool of subjugation.

and you should also know then that the Ismaili group is but a pimple on the ass of Islam

in the sense that they are as small a group as the Jews

around 14 million

and in many circles aren't considered true Muslims by those oh so peaceful, loving muslims

so using a minority to prove the rule again doesn't seem to work with Islam
 

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How do 11 mps push through a bill? Even the suggestion is laughable.

And if what you say is true about all Muslims wanting Sharia law, why doesn't every Muslim majority country have Sharia law?

Your claims are pure Islamaphobic - spreading untruths to spread antimuslim hysteria.

If you want something more realistic to fear - be afraid of the bible thumpers and their right wing allies trying to base even more of our laws on the Old Testament!
Islam is a problem plain and simple, you said all Muslims not me, I said even moderate Muslims support Sharia and they do because it is an all encompasing component of Islam. Imam's will tell you that there is no Islam without Sharia and many Canadian Muslims have warned Canadians about the extremist elements within this Country. These women made their choice and they should stay over there, its a nobrainer. Anyone should be welcome in Canada but once they embrace an extremist ideology all bets are off!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/extre...adian-mosques-islamic-schools-study-1.3039149
 

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If one has not renounced their Canadian citizenship, they should be allowed to return to the country no matter what.

If they have committed crimes while outside Canada, they should face the applicable charges here upon their return.
 

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I witnessed a Homosexual man being thrown off a 8 story building because it was against their beliefs to be gay.
I had him in my crosshairs, but the Brass wouldn't give me the green light.



That......summed it up for me....They can all just stay over there and consume each other.
 

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Overdone, the law doesn't allow a Canadian who was born in Canada to have their citizenship revoked or their passage into Canada barred and Harper's law only applies to naturalized Canadians - so yes, it would set precedent.

As has been repeated ad naseum, the Supreme Court ruled in Omar's favour, the government compensated him. The detention and torture of Omar was illegal. Get over it!

Turkey is secular so it's a terrible example of a Muslim country practicing Sharia law and Gaza isn't a country, so another terrible example. Actually only about ten countries' legal systems are entirely or predominately governed by the code.

When you speak for Muslim's in Canada don't forget to add that they always say Muslim extremism is on the extreme fringe.

I am more afraid of the right wing and their bible thumping Christian allies trying to impose religious law in Canada than any Muslim threat.
 

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If one has not renounced their Canadian citizenship, they should be allowed to return to the country no matter what.

If they have committed crimes while outside Canada, they should face the applicable charges here upon their return.
Why accept people who have gone to join a terrorist group?

Do you kow how impossible it is to gather evidence against people in a war zone?

Plus, Canadian courts are so lenient, any conviction would result in minimal consequences, equivalent to a small time fine.
 
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