Reversing Roe
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According to the documentary, abortions were happening way in the US even before Roe Vs Wade came into being. The supreme court looked at it as the women's right to choose. Abortions became legal and in the publics eye.
Don't get me wrong, Life is precious, but Roe vs Wade gave women a choice for themselves.
State and Church are separate.
The fight is over Religious organizations enforcing their will/beliefs on everybody.
Before the Renaissance, Europe was in an dark age....it was under the grip of the Catholic Church. After the Renaissance the church fought back with inquisitions, witch burnings etc... all because it was losing its grip on the power to choose for the people..... Mass was given in Latin, and the ordinary peasant did not understand it....
Choice and Freedom, not absolute obedience (slavery).
Overturning R vs W, means a women will have to carry to term, despite health concerns, mental state, education, and financial conditions (too poor to care for herself let alone a baby). Roe Vs Wade gives her choices; her choices, not some law dictating how its going to be.
Don't get me wrong, Life is precious, but Roe vs Wade gave women a choice for themselves.
State and Church are separate.
The fight is over Religious organizations enforcing their will/beliefs on everybody.
Before the Renaissance, Europe was in an dark age....it was under the grip of the Catholic Church. After the Renaissance the church fought back with inquisitions, witch burnings etc... all because it was losing its grip on the power to choose for the people..... Mass was given in Latin, and the ordinary peasant did not understand it....
Choice and Freedom, not absolute obedience (slavery).
Overturning R vs W, means a women will have to carry to term, despite health concerns, mental state, education, and financial conditions (too poor to care for herself let alone a baby). Roe Vs Wade gives her choices; her choices, not some law dictating how its going to be.
On paper it is easy supporting abortion. I believe babies born to healthy, happy relationships where they are wanted will have a higher quality of life and less drama. They will be productive members of society and will more likely be upstanding citizens.
The only valid argument for anti abortion - and it is very valid - is its destructive nature, and not some religious hokey-pokey. Early on in the pregnancy, it's enough to vacuum out the embryo. Later on, you are basically taking tongs, tweezers, hammers, and various destructive surgical instruments and piece by piece breaking limbs off of a half formed foetus, crushing its skull, and removing it from a woman. Then you put it on a stack next to the operating table and witness... life's beginning and end.
I believe abortion should be legal. But I think it would better if contraceptives and procedures were free. People have a nasty habit of dealing with symptoms and not cause. Then we become bitter and partisan over it
The only valid argument for anti abortion - and it is very valid - is its destructive nature, and not some religious hokey-pokey. Early on in the pregnancy, it's enough to vacuum out the embryo. Later on, you are basically taking tongs, tweezers, hammers, and various destructive surgical instruments and piece by piece breaking limbs off of a half formed foetus, crushing its skull, and removing it from a woman. Then you put it on a stack next to the operating table and witness... life's beginning and end.
I believe abortion should be legal. But I think it would better if contraceptives and procedures were free. People have a nasty habit of dealing with symptoms and not cause. Then we become bitter and partisan over it
end of life type conversation about a non-viable pregnancy between a women and her dr at any stage of pregnancy I’m good with
The word abortion does not imply non-viable pregnancy
Hugh Jass is right, what got my attention was that that Virginia Governor saying abortions can now be extended to time of delivery for any reason
That for “any reason” detail is huge (already passed in 9 states BTW)
that same bill also blanket statement says “killing a baby in the womb is not a crime”. Makes me nervous how that new law could be applied to violent acts toward women resulting in the death of an unborn baby.
I believe you need a very good self-evident type reason to abort a late term baby. the scull crushing dismemberment inside the womb type abortion is gnarly as fuck. You should not just be able to change your mind about becoming a mom that late in the game
When you’re talking about a fully pregnant women aborting a perfect health baby “just because” you’re in baby killer land
this does not happen. Wom3n do not change their minds in the final weeks of a pregnancy.
Something else I found on a conservative planned parenthood report was that the reason given for 94% of all abortions was too young to poor type reasons.
I guess that’s where the defund planned parenthood cry stems from?
The argument of just because someone is inconvenient right now doesn’t mean you get to kill them, holds water in my mind
There’s also this “yeah I’m a woman I’m proud of my abortion” culture out there. I think it matters how a woman arrived to receiving an abortion and that determines if she deserves support and kindness or if she’s a piece of shit. Unless you’re the ladder you should not be celebrating geezz……
I guess that’s where the defund planned parenthood cry stems from?
The argument of just because someone is inconvenient right now doesn’t mean you get to kill them, holds water in my mind
There’s also this “yeah I’m a woman I’m proud of my abortion” culture out there. I think it matters how a woman arrived to receiving an abortion and that determines if she deserves support and kindness or if she’s a piece of shit. Unless you’re the ladder you should not be celebrating geezz……
I hope so, but then why the push to specifically make it legal ?
They could remove the blanket “for any reason” wording and included something like there should be a good self-evident reason for late term abortions
Or just do nothing and leave the laws as they are would work to?
Top notch trolling. Especially calling women who choose abortion "a piece of shit".
An abortion is no joke to the woman, and can have serious complications. There is no "I'm proud of my abortion" culture. Many woman are harassed by self righteous fools for admitting theirs.
The irony is that those demanding a woman not have an abortion are the same ones cutting health care and increasing taxes on the poor.
If those Republican men could get pregnant they would be all in favour of abortion.
If you have had an abortion at 40 weeks for no other reason other then you changed your mind about becoming a mother yes you are a piece of shit, I’ll stand behind that
There absolutely is a main stream “be proud of your abortion culture” one quick example is #ShoutYourAbortion Oprah has been promoting it since august.
If it was some kind of group for women who were somehow victims or needed some kind of help or support it would be a good thing. But it not it’s just shitty people trying to normalize abortion by shouting that they have had one from roof tops.
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More often than not, the anti abortion pro life groups are often against planned parenthood, sex education in schools and birth control. It doesn't leave many options.
Yowza! Called that one right on the nose.
Better get myself a lottery ticket tomorrow.
