There is a documentary series on Netflix called "I Am Jane Doe." A lot is explained how young women are forced into this trade. Former member of parliament Joy Smith is also advocating against human trafficking and has produced a documentary. http://www.joysmithfoundation.com/
Sickening!
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Sadly, Joy Smith is probably the hobbyists worst friend. She has a habit of distorting information, and is probably one of the major instigators of our present archaic laws on prostitution. Her motivation might be good, but she sure won't endorse legalization.
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so sad,
on of my favorites and I was a regular with her,
she would like to drink after, and told me to stay,
so opened up and said a lot of things,
so heart wrenching but, all too typical I think
rotten childhood abused, etc etc,
she was older when I met her, mature late, thirties or early forties
so old enough to get it together,
but like myself who had a bad child hood,
saying one is mature and old enough to get there shit together and doing it is two different things.
it was hard to see her after she told me those things,
she needed help,
all she knew that she was good for was some to fuck,
yeah a life can be ruined,
a shrink said once,
the sad thing about prostitution is,
is all a girl has to offer is what she has between her legs.
on of my favorites and I was a regular with her,
she would like to drink after, and told me to stay,
so opened up and said a lot of things,
so heart wrenching but, all too typical I think
rotten childhood abused, etc etc,
she was older when I met her, mature late, thirties or early forties
so old enough to get it together,
but like myself who had a bad child hood,
saying one is mature and old enough to get there shit together and doing it is two different things.
it was hard to see her after she told me those things,
she needed help,
all she knew that she was good for was some to fuck,
yeah a life can be ruined,
a shrink said once,
the sad thing about prostitution is,
is all a girl has to offer is what she has between her legs.
joy smith is a lying bag of crap. i am not saying these things don't happen but joy smith is the biggest rescue industry profiteer going. her "not for profit" pay to fly her all over the world spreading her lies...staying in fancy hotels, eating out in restaurants, getting admired for "saving all us downtrodden prostitutes".... she is one of the worst people for exaggerating the numbers. her web site is not by any stretch a reasonable source for information about working conditions for sex workers.
i will say that winnipeg does seem to have a problem more so than other places in the country, likely due to the heavy bias, discrimination, morality and enforcement sex workers endure there.
love susie
this guy is also a piece of crap. he is a notorious ho hater and has made it his mission to use his privilege and credibility to undermine the sex workers rights movement.This is an eye opening book. I suggest anyone in this industry should read it or a similar one. The movie Taken with Liam Neeson is but a small peek into the underbelly of the worst part of this book.
c'mon guys, while this story is horrible and true, extrapolating the conditions faced during her abuse as widespread in the industry is ridiculous. try not to get caught up in the loudest voices - rich, white educated women with no lived experience- they are fear mongers. they want you to believe the worst case scenario to scare you from using sex workers services.
would you believe it if i said immigrants are dangerous? would you believe it if i said women don't have the same abilities as men?
i have said it before, this ind of thinking no matter who it applies to is dangerous.
it strips sex workers of our voice - we are too damaged and abused to know what is best for us - the wealthy privileged people will save us ....from ourselves...
name one time in history when this has worked....when it has been the best thing for the government or police to force their will on those people who don't know better or are bad....or are "dangerous"....
joy smith and victor malerek are 2 of the people at the center of the destabilization of the safety of sex working people...not only in canada...but from across the planet ...
these people would have you believe all sex workers start st an average of 13 years old...bullshit....and proven to be bullshit by the supreme court of canada...as was the "90% are abused"....only if you believe canada to be akin to an african war zone...
so please, time for a guiltless visit to your ATF....
love susi
No where did I say this covered all SW. It covers the trafficked ones. I'm not for wiping out this industry, I would legalize it. I'm for wiping out the traffickers. When parents in some countries are so scared that they keep their kids home from school so that they won't be kidnapped, you know trafficking is a huge problem. Trafficking in human lives is becoming more lucrative than almost all other forms of trade for organized crime. Even in Nevada where it is legal it's still not safe. All you have to do is go on you tube and watch videos of ladies that came out of this industry who worked in Nevada to know that legalization is not a 100 % fix all. That's what this thread is about, trafficking.
so, it is not legalization sex workers are asking for....we don't want nevada....we had legalization before....many people died....
we want decriminalization.....like new zealand.....not nevada.....
trafficking is not as prevalent as you think ...or have been convinced...by those in the ilk of joy smith....
it is a terrible crime...it is real...it happens....
not as much as the "feminazis" would have you believe....
it's an excuse...to justify the criminalization of an entire group of workers....to justify the funding ( in the millions) of rescue groups...like joy smith's.....the "rescue industry" is very lucrative, don't fool yourself.....
go ahead...watch the fear campaign videos....
you want to really help those vicitmized as workers?
support decrim and realize....
joy smith is a liar....and wants your money
so....
believe the women you visit and know....or...believe some white bread privileged do gooder and a couple white knights....
read the evidence....just cause they made a movie...or it was on tv...or some guy wrote a book...doesn't make it true
there are rules governing research involving human beings in this country...none of the stats mentioned here are based in empirical reality...
so...are you all fooled by the hand wringing grandmas...or are you going to listen to the only people who have the solution?
sex working people, their clients and business owners....
we know how to make our own industry safe...joy smith and victor jackassamove....have no clue
love susie
we want decriminalization.....like new zealand.....not nevada.....
trafficking is not as prevalent as you think ...or have been convinced...by those in the ilk of joy smith....
it is a terrible crime...it is real...it happens....
not as much as the "feminazis" would have you believe....
it's an excuse...to justify the criminalization of an entire group of workers....to justify the funding ( in the millions) of rescue groups...like joy smith's.....the "rescue industry" is very lucrative, don't fool yourself.....
go ahead...watch the fear campaign videos....
you want to really help those vicitmized as workers?
support decrim and realize....
joy smith is a liar....and wants your money
so....
believe the women you visit and know....or...believe some white bread privileged do gooder and a couple white knights....
read the evidence....just cause they made a movie...or it was on tv...or some guy wrote a book...doesn't make it true
there are rules governing research involving human beings in this country...none of the stats mentioned here are based in empirical reality...
so...are you all fooled by the hand wringing grandmas...or are you going to listen to the only people who have the solution?
sex working people, their clients and business owners....
we know how to make our own industry safe...joy smith and victor jackassamove....have no clue
love susie
Once again this thread was about trafficking as the OP said he got after the fact first hand knowledge of. I'm 100% behind whatever it takes to make this industry safer. We all agree trafficking occurs on a daily basis and needs to be stopped. IMHO capital punishment needs to be reinstated for anyone convicted of pedaling human flesh.
For years I worked in an industry heavily regulated by government pencil pushers who didn't have a clue what it took to keep the people on the front lines safe. I made a choice to get into that industry, and when the time came I made the choice to get out and move onto something else. The Women and Men who made an informed decision to enter the world of Escorting etc., will also be capable of moving onto something else if this gets driven underground and becomes unsafe like we all know it will. Anytime you try to outlaw any of the vices it has never worked, I agree. The people who have no choice are the ones that need protection.
we agree on that TT, i am just pointing out that the links provided by some posters lead to false stats and bad documentaries which actually do nothing to inform anyone about the realities of trafficking in canada. that these people and their rhetoric are a barrier to combating human trafficking and ignore trafficked construction workers and farm workers for example. their focus is on sex work because they hate sex work and make money promoting their hatred.
the money spent in winnipeg arresting and generally enforcing against the sex industry could be much better spent on fighting human trafficking.
so "the people who have no choice are the ones needing protection" is fine except that this is used to justify all kinds of bias and discriminatory practices impacting sex working people as if we are the reasonable casualties in the war on human trafficking....who cares what happens to escorts and choosing sex workers....we must save the victims!!!
joy smith is the worst, she has influenced policy all over the world not the least of which is bill c-36 here in canada.
under the international charter of human rights, it is not legal to compromise the safety and rights of one group to "save" or protect another. human trafficking fears have been used over and over to justify illegal searches, illegal detainment and undermining the safety of sex workers.
their actions create the environment which allows for predators to take advantage of people and to exploit those who don't know they have rights. their rhetoric confuses people so much, they don't realize they can call police or escape and find resources.
so, i agree human trafficking is evil and deserves the death penalty, the impact of the joy smith approach - abolish all sex work including porn - is that more victims are created. so proliferating her beliefs as fact is contributing to the problem.
love susie
the money spent in winnipeg arresting and generally enforcing against the sex industry could be much better spent on fighting human trafficking.
so "the people who have no choice are the ones needing protection" is fine except that this is used to justify all kinds of bias and discriminatory practices impacting sex working people as if we are the reasonable casualties in the war on human trafficking....who cares what happens to escorts and choosing sex workers....we must save the victims!!!
joy smith is the worst, she has influenced policy all over the world not the least of which is bill c-36 here in canada.
under the international charter of human rights, it is not legal to compromise the safety and rights of one group to "save" or protect another. human trafficking fears have been used over and over to justify illegal searches, illegal detainment and undermining the safety of sex workers.
their actions create the environment which allows for predators to take advantage of people and to exploit those who don't know they have rights. their rhetoric confuses people so much, they don't realize they can call police or escape and find resources.
so, i agree human trafficking is evil and deserves the death penalty, the impact of the joy smith approach - abolish all sex work including porn - is that more victims are created. so proliferating her beliefs as fact is contributing to the problem.
love susie
My point in posting what I did was to bring to remind us all that there are ladies advertising out there who may not be doing this as a matter of free choice and/or are lining the pockets of a pimp or criminal organization.
We need to recognize that when perusing the ads and choose our companions accordingly.
Sure it may not stop the problem but at least you can know you are not contributing to it.
We need to recognize that when perusing the ads and choose our companions accordingly.
Sure it may not stop the problem but at least you can know you are not contributing to it.
agreed JB, and if people think they may have witnessed the exploitation of an underage person or any person, they can call crime stoppers anonymously. just go to a pay phone (anonymous) and call crime stoppers with the information about the location and condition of anyone you may think is exploited - ie -seems too young, has visible bruises (face and arms), seems scared, someone else collects the money, the pimp beats the worker in front of you, other people are present in the premises and seem to be watching or listening, or the worker tells you they are being exploited - just as some ways to tell if a workers is being forced....
clients are in a unique position to witness and combat human trafficking so please - if you witness it, report it!!!
love susie
clients are in a unique position to witness and combat human trafficking so please - if you witness it, report it!!!
love susie
I can see you are passionate about this subject and I agree with some of your points. Joy Smith is a bureaucrat and knows how to play the system to her benefit no doubt. But she is the only one that I've heard of that is addressing the trafficking problem, and it's more prevalent than you know. I agree she's not going about it the right way, but she is bringing it to the forefront. I hear you knocking her and members for supporting her, I for one don't support her. I only brought her up because she's the only one willing to fight trafficking. I hear you cutting down the only advocates out there, I don't see any links to groups to help the problem. If you're that passionate then I would welcome the chance to help advocate to the cause.
I don't agree 100% with either side. I believe both camps have strong points and weak points. Anyone who thinks this lifestyle will ever end is delusional. Both camps need to work together for the best possible outcome. Forced sex work is at the forefront of the human trafficking fight because it is believed to be the most prevalent and violent.
Joy Smith is not against trafficking, she is against all prostitution.
That is a big difference.
Winnipeg problems revolve around the street gangs more than anything else. Acknowledging the Indian Posse or Deuce pimping their cousins from the rez doesn't fit Smith's script of nasty white men being to blame.
She was on CBC just a few days ago. She is full of shit and the bimbos on CBC suck it right up.
She sticks to her talking points:all prostitutes are pimped, enter at 13, and men are evil. All vote getters with the religious right, the law and order Conservatives, the leftists fighting oppression, and the feminazis.
I have written CBC several times asking them to get a more reasonable person to speak on these issues. They prefer the drama queen to an actual knowledgeable person.
That is a big difference.
Winnipeg problems revolve around the street gangs more than anything else. Acknowledging the Indian Posse or Deuce pimping their cousins from the rez doesn't fit Smith's script of nasty white men being to blame.
She was on CBC just a few days ago. She is full of shit and the bimbos on CBC suck it right up.
She sticks to her talking points:all prostitutes are pimped, enter at 13, and men are evil. All vote getters with the religious right, the law and order Conservatives, the leftists fighting oppression, and the feminazis.
I have written CBC several times asking them to get a more reasonable person to speak on these issues. They prefer the drama queen to an actual knowledgeable person.
well, we will have to disagree on that to....it is not the most prevalent...that is part of the rhetoric....it is terrible i agree, but by no stretch the most prevalent. i have never seen a legitimate ethical stat or research outcome which shows that. if you have one please share it but i don't think that proof actually exists....
sex trafficking is a terrible crime ...i want to be clear...the abolitionists will not work with us...period...
i have tried to engage joy smith on numerous occasions and even launched a complaint with the federal ombudsman for the victims of crime who told joy smith that as a parliamentarian she was obligated to meet with us...she refused. i have heard her say "i have never met a sex worker who chose to be a sex worker"....this was by design, she refused to meet ...ignorance is bliss i guess....
and i would argue that construction workers being forced to pay company lawyers to immigrate here, and those who were controlled by where they lived (traffickers controlling rent payments), controlling food and giving the workers drugs then charging them for the drugs and threatening with violence or actually assaulting the workers...for non payment of debt (rent, food, drugs).....sound familiar?
truly, trafficking is violent which ever workers are being victimized...
if you want information, real information...the only ethical information i have ever seen is collected here http://www.gaatw.org/
love susie
sex trafficking is a terrible crime ...i want to be clear...the abolitionists will not work with us...period...
i have tried to engage joy smith on numerous occasions and even launched a complaint with the federal ombudsman for the victims of crime who told joy smith that as a parliamentarian she was obligated to meet with us...she refused. i have heard her say "i have never met a sex worker who chose to be a sex worker"....this was by design, she refused to meet ...ignorance is bliss i guess....
and i would argue that construction workers being forced to pay company lawyers to immigrate here, and those who were controlled by where they lived (traffickers controlling rent payments), controlling food and giving the workers drugs then charging them for the drugs and threatening with violence or actually assaulting the workers...for non payment of debt (rent, food, drugs).....sound familiar?
truly, trafficking is violent which ever workers are being victimized...
if you want information, real information...the only ethical information i have ever seen is collected here http://www.gaatw.org/
love susie
Thanks for the link to Global Alliance Against Traffic in Women, it's naked truth.
Especially awakened by their FAQ section and "what is definitions ".
GAATW eventually led me back to SWAN ,
and a review of this recent relevant book: Red Light Labour, Sex Work Regulation, Agency, and Resistance
" This groundbreaking collection also offers nuanced interpretations of commercial sexual labour from the perspectives of workers, activists, and researchers. The contributors highlight the struggle for civic and social inclusion by considering sex workers’ advocacy tactics, successes, and challenges. A timely legal, policy, and social analysis of sex work in Canada. "
Warm regards : )
so crazy, and reporters are supposed to be bound by ethics also, to fact check and ensure they are giving their audience the truth....i wish we could hold reporters accountable too....i have also written to them WW...what the hell....there must be an ombudsman in charge of CBC....i will check into launching a complaint to force them to stop...they love the feminazi rhetoric because it plays into people's fears and does well in the ratings....
love susie
CBC News is the most biased news organisation in the free world. In fact calling the people who work for CBC News journalists is an insult to all other journalists.
OMG! Did I just hijack my own thread and turn it into a rant against the CBC?! :shocked:
I'll go sit in the corner and think about my actions.
OMG! Did I just hijack my own thread and turn it into a rant against the CBC?! :shocked:
I'll go sit in the corner and think about my actions.
