Trump's off the record comment derails NAFTA negotiation

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Time to threaten drug patents and intellectual property rights.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/seco...-drug-patents-intellectual-property-1.4708630

Maybe a few calls from the CEO's of Pfizer, J & J, Glaxo Smith Kline, Sony Music, Google, Apple, etc will get Trump's attention.
I've read it here before and it is the ultimate weapon to use in a trade war. I think it was a couple of smaller countries in South or Central America who last threatened it against bullying by the USA. The USA dropped the bullying immediately and left them alone.

That said, if we are face trade with no trade agreement in place and they force a massive downfall in our economy by putting duties on our auto industry; entering legislation to kill their patents in Canada is probably the right course to take. Washington is run by lobbyists on behalf of all of those industries and the thought of a Northern neighbour no longer observing patents would create havoc in the US Congress and Senate.

Also it was mentioned the US and Mexico got the deal done without any problems. Ah, the Mexican's have a new President coming into office soon. The outgoing President agreed to this new deal. Do you really think it was done to benefit the opposing political party? I doubt it but we will see.
 

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Bad policies from the Canadian government have destroyed our ability to compete. It isn't because we can't.

Tesla would be Canadian if Ontario didn't have such restrictive policies that forbade new investments in tech. Titanic would have been shot in Canada if National Film Board didn't mandate Canadian content. All of our mined materials would have been in Aerospace with Avro if Mulroney didn't suck a pile of dick with defective missiles in which case NASA would have been CASA.

We have educated some of the smartest people in the world but we have such shot policies they all leave for the states.
Historically incorrect. Yes it was a Conservative PM but not Mulroney. Read up on Avro and Diefenbaker.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/avro-iarrowi-there-never-was-an-iarrowi-feature/

Please provide back up for the comment that Ontario has restrictive policies preventing Tesla from working in Canada? Now that would make real news.
 

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Bad policies from the Canadian government have destroyed our ability to compete. It isn't because we can't.

Titanic would have been shot in Canada if National Film Board didn't mandate Canadian content.
I think the movie industry in BC and Ontario would disagree with you. What are NFB's policies about feature films being shot in Canada?

Wow, for the love of . . . . please provide links to back up these claims.
 

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Lots of rhetoric but as that lady used to say in the Wendy's commercial "where's the meat?" You haven't really made more than accusations without any links for back up for your claims.

You mention a lot of taxes that we as Canadians pay but the subject is Free Trade; the Americans do not have to pay one cent in Duties on export if the product is majority of US Made Parts. We on the other hand pay in BC GST and PST as consumers of anything we import. If a Canadian manufacturer buys parts from the US, they are again Duty Free and they pay GST/PST. That company also files GST tax returns and from some sort of amazing math, they get a tax return on GST. The PST is claimed on the Provincial Side of their company tax return. I know because I am incorporated and file these returns via my accountant.

So let's focus on Dairy since its hot topic with the Mango eL Presidente.

Canada has a marketing system where farmers are paid to produce X amount of dairy, eggs, chickens etc per year and it's purchase is guaranteed by Canada and the Provinces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_management_(Canada)

The US on the other hand annually gives the dairy farmers in the US $22B of their tax payers money (last numbers I recall being 2015) to support dairy producers in the US. They do not have a maximum amount that they are allowed to produce. Given the farmers are needing a financial handout annually, they are running balls out producing dairy and many are still on the brink of bankruptcy. This format is also used by the European Union. All of these countries have their own protectionist rules against foreign dairy products entering their countries. Case in point Canada's deal with the EU fell apart because the Cheese makers in Italy would never support any foreign cheese in Italy.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/american-dairy-farmers-depend-on-government-subsidies-673374473.html

Hence #45 trying to force the over production hormone laced piss tasting nasty US milk on the Canadians at what will most likely under cut our own farmers. We don't need their milk products and all it would do is undercut Canadian farms. Why would we ever support destroying our own dairy to get a deal with a megalomaniac who has openly showed his disdain for us?

And Guess What - our lumber is expensive because the US has always slapped duties on our lumber because the Billy Bob lumber companies in the South East USA are still using hand labour and have not modernized their own industry. Canada has for 3 decades had the most modern computerized systems employing lasers for exact cuts and do not have a labour intensive force because of our state of the art systems. The US has a different system where they sell the land to the large forestry companies at a huge discount and the company's grow their own timber and harvest it. Canada has crown land which they lease to forestry companies. Potato Pawtayto. Same thing but the US makes a big deal about it.

The claim our manufacturers are inefficient needs clarification. Which industries, where? I sell to OEM's across Canada and they would be holding back laughter if they read it. Everything is automated, barcoded, videoed, time stamped, robotics; you name it. These companies are well thought out and super efficient. Why, because our labour is expensive and to be competitive we need to have smart companies.

I am also interested in your claim that Canada is one of the worlds worst offenders of the Free Trade Agreement.

Canada has taken the US to the World Trade court and won every time. When it came to paying back the duties, they declined to pay up. Some fair freetrade agreement.

Canada giving Air Space to the USA as part of the 1994 Free Trade agreement? The US has had airspace to the Arctic since 1958. Where did you get that information? I'd love to read it.
Very good! Someone who actually knows hat they are writing about.

And when it come to dairy supply management, even the American farmers will tell you that they wish they had supply management. The current system in the USA requires, as bbb writes in his post, massive subsidies in order for some of the dairy farmers to survive. I also know I don't want to drink the hormone laced milk produced by the USA farmers.

And the feast and famine that the USA farmers have experienced has been going on for many years. When I was much younger, and still helping my dad out on his dairy farm, I remember we were able to buy quality diary cows from the USA with these ugly tattoos on their faces? What the hell you say? The American government had paid the American dairy farmer top dollars to apply the tattoos. Why you ask? Because of overproduction of milk in the USA. These cows, once tattooed, were not allowed to be used anywhere in the USA for the purposes of producing milk. Many of these cows were slaughtered for meat (very wasteful!), but since these were high producing dairy cows, the farmers instead sold some of them ioutside of the country for more $$$. You must admit that limiting milk production in this manner, while effective, was highly inefficient!

The Canadian supply management system is not perfect, but at least it does not require Canadian government subsidies, making hamburger out of very expensive dairy animals, or require charity concerts by Willie Nelson to keep dairy farmers from going broke. And supply management guarantees a constant supply of high quality milk for the Canadian consumer.

JD
 

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You mention a lot of taxes that we as Canadians pay but the subject is Free Trade; the Americans do not have to pay one cent in Duties on export if the product is majority of US Made Parts. We on the other hand pay in BC GST and PST as consumers of anything we import. If a Canadian manufacturer buys parts from the US, they are again Duty Free and they pay GST/PST. That company also files GST tax returns and from some sort of amazing math, they get a tax return on GST. The PST is claimed on the Provincial Side of their company tax return. I know because I am incorporated and file these returns via my accountant.
I don't disagree with you. But we have taxes on fuel, which is a tax on productivity. This directly affects free trade as foreign goods without fuel taxes are often cheaper, which forces Canadians to import. We then slap a de minimis tax on imports over $20 as consumers. Bad domestic policy offsets NAFTA benefits.

Free Trade is supposed to benefit consumers and business alike. In Canada, consumers only marginally benefit from NAFTA. In the US, the Americans majorly benefit from NAFTA. You can claim your NAFTA benefits through imports at the border, but the process is often long and arduous due to the de minimis.

So let's focus on Dairy since its hot topic with the Mango eL Presidente.

Canada has a marketing system where farmers are paid to produce X amount of dairy, eggs, chickens etc per year and it's purchase is guaranteed by Canada and the Provinces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_management_(Canada)

The US on the other hand annually gives the dairy farmers in the US $22B of their tax payers money (last numbers I recall being 2015) to support dairy producers in the US. They do not have a maximum amount that they are allowed to produce. Given the farmers are needing a financial handout annually, they are running balls out producing dairy and many are still on the brink of bankruptcy. This format is also used by the European Union. All of these countries have their own protectionist rules against foreign dairy products entering their countries. Case in point Canada's deal with the EU fell apart because the Cheese makers in Italy would never support any foreign cheese in Italy.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/american-dairy-farmers-depend-on-government-subsidies-673374473.html

Hence #45 trying to force the over production hormone laced piss tasting nasty US milk on the Canadians at what will most likely under cut our own farmers. We don't need their milk products and all it would do is undercut Canadian farms. Why would we ever support destroying our own dairy to get a deal with a megalomaniac who has openly showed his disdain for us?
Economic Quota is very different from Economic Subsidy. The Quota System discourages new entries into a market with high barriers (you have to apply for quota certificates if you want to get into dairy, which is expensive and improbable). The US does not have a quota system but subsidize to keep the industry afloat, with tangential benefits such as conservation also being factored in. Almost all countries subsidize farming and dairy. But quotas mean Canada allows NO dairy entry, while the US allows most, albeit with a tariff on milk (not that it matters, because milk can't be imported without worrying about it still being fresh).

Trade negotiations isn't about emotions, it's about math. Trump isn't obligated to like us. He his own people to look out for, and doesn't need to spend money on initiatives that don't directly benefit his people. His interest is to benefit the US and Canada isn't entitled to "fair".

And Guess What - our lumber is expensive because the US has always slapped duties on our lumber because the Billy Bob lumber companies in the South East USA are still using hand labour and have not modernized their own industry. Canada has for 3 decades had the most modern computerized systems employing lasers for exact cuts and do not have a labour intensive force because of our state of the art systems. The US has a different system where they sell the land to the large forestry companies at a huge discount and the company's grow their own timber and harvest it. Canada has crown land which they lease to forestry companies. Potato Pawtayto. Same thing but the US makes a big deal about it.
Canada mostly exports softwood. Central America mostly exports hardwood. We are not in direct competition, as hardwood angiosperms are far more abundant than soft wood gymnosperms.

Our lumber is expensive because;

A) Excise taxes on fuel
B) Carbon taxes on fuel
C) Sovereign taxes
D) Taxes on top of the taxes in fuel

There is absolutely no reason why Canada shouldn't have the soft wood market cornered given the 30% USDCAD exchange, except for taxing ourselves into non-competition.

The claim our manufacturers are inefficient needs clarification. Which industries, where? I sell to OEM's across Canada and they would be holding back laughter if they read it. Everything is automated, barcoded, videoed, time stamped, robotics; you name it. These companies are well thought out and super efficient. Why, because our labour is expensive and to be competitive we need to have smart companies.
We currently have only 1 manufacturing company on Fortune 500 Global - Magna International. They are there because they are the OEM supplier to US companies.

We do not have any domestic competition to US Auto, Air, Munitions, Heavy Equipment, Arms, or Inudstrial manufacturers. Bombardier? W


I am also interested in your claim that Canada is one of the worlds worst offenders of the Free Trade Agreement.

Canada has taken the US to the World Trade court and won every time. When it came to paying back the duties, they declined to pay up. Some fair freetrade agreement.
I didn't say anything about US violating free trade. Canada has been and is the most sued NAFTA country. We have violated more NAFTA conventions that Mexcio and US combined. I also do not believe Canada has ever won a NAFTA case vs the US. The US is more efficient and competitive, not more violating.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/nafta-lawsuits-target-canada-most-u-s-hasn-t-lost-yet-1.3480745
 

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I think the movie industry in BC and Ontario would disagree with you. What are NFB's policies about feature films being shot in Canada?

Wow, for the love of . . . . please provide links to back up these claims.
Almost all filmmakers move to the US because NFB mandates Canadian content.

This is evidenced by the lack of quality Canadian TV shows. We consume all sorts of American entertainment but haven't had a flagship Canadian show for years.

James Cameron, Jim Carrey, Ryan Reynolds, Christopher Plummer, Kiefer Sutherland, all moved to the states. Why?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...hannels-cancon-is-killing-us/article11503638/
 

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Almost all filmmakers move to the US because NFB mandates Canadian content.

This is evidenced by the lack of quality Canadian TV shows. We consume all sorts of American entertainment but haven't had a flagship Canadian show for years.

James Cameron, Jim Carrey, Ryan Reynolds, Christopher Plummer, Kiefer Sutherland, all moved to the states. Why?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...hannels-cancon-is-killing-us/article11503638/
I am not sure where you are from, there is tonnes of television and film production in BC which isn't Canadian content, ever heard of Hollywood North.
 

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I don't disagree with you. But we have taxes on fuel, which is a tax on productivity. This directly affects free trade as foreign goods without fuel taxes are often cheaper, which forces Canadians to import. We then slap a de minimis tax on imports over $20 as consumers. Bad domestic policy offsets NAFTA benefits.

Free Trade is supposed to benefit consumers and business alike. In Canada, consumers only marginally benefit from NAFTA. In the US, the Americans majorly benefit from NAFTA. You can claim your NAFTA benefits through imports at the border, but the process is often long and arduous due to the de minimis.



Economic Quota is very different from Economic Subsidy. The Quota System discourages new entries into a market with high barriers (you have to apply for quota certificates if you want to get into dairy, which is expensive and improbable). The US does not have a quota system but subsidize to keep the industry afloat, with tangential benefits such as conservation also being factored in. Almost all countries subsidize farming and dairy. But quotas mean Canada allows NO dairy entry, while the US allows most, albeit with a tariff on milk (not that it matters, because milk can't be imported without worrying about it still being fresh).

Trade negotiations isn't about emotions, it's about math. Trump isn't obligated to like us. He his own people to look out for, and doesn't need to spend money on initiatives that don't directly benefit his people. His interest is to benefit the US and Canada isn't entitled to "fair".



Canada mostly exports softwood. Central America mostly exports hardwood. We are not in direct competition, as hardwood angiosperms are far more abundant than soft wood gymnosperms.

Our lumber is expensive because;

A) Excise taxes on fuel
B) Carbon taxes on fuel
C) Sovereign taxes
D) Taxes on top of the taxes in fuel

There is absolutely no reason why Canada shouldn't have the soft wood market cornered given the 30% USDCAD exchange, except for taxing ourselves into non-competition.



We currently have only 1 manufacturing company on Fortune 500 Global - Magna International. They are there because they are the OEM supplier to US companies.

We do not have any domestic competition to US Auto, Air, Munitions, Heavy Equipment, Arms, or Inudstrial manufacturers. Bombardier? W




I didn't say anything about US violating free trade. Canada has been and is the most sued NAFTA country. We have violated more NAFTA conventions that Mexcio and US combined. I also do not believe Canada has ever won a NAFTA case vs the US. The US is more efficient and competitive, not more violating.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/nafta-lawsuits-target-canada-most-u-s-hasn-t-lost-yet-1.3480745
We have won every softwood dispute with the US - but as BBB already stated the US fails to comply.

I think we are talking about two different things, with your CTV quote you are talking about companies suing nations, while I think BBB is talking about nations taking other nations to dispute resolution, either under NAFTA or the WTO.
 

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I am not sure where you are from, there is tonnes of television and film production in BC which isn't Canadian content, ever heard of Hollywood North.
I'm pretty sure that he's confusing the NFB for the CRTC. There are Canadian content guidelines for productions but a lot of that is due to union agreements with the local unions from what I remember. I've been out of that business for a long time so my knowledge about it is not what it once was.

Edit: Based on the link that he's posted, he's definitely conflating issues. The linked article is clearly about Canadian content mandates from the CRTC for Canadian broadcast networks (in this case, specialty cable networks).
 
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I'm pretty sure that he's confusing the NFB for the CRTC. There are Canadian content guidelines for productions but a lot of that is due to union agreements with the local unions from what I remember. I've been out of that business for a long time so my knowledge about it is not what it once was.
Neither Federal entities mention anything that would equate to a movie maker would stay out of Canada. CRTC handles all broadcasting and telecommunications in Canada. Advantages of using Canada for locations has always been: locations, low $ compared to US, and a skilled experienced workforce.

My search has come up with zero Hollywood producers have stayed out of Canada because of Canadian content regulations.

http://onf-nfb.gc.ca/en/about-the-nfb/organization/mandate/

https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/acrtc/acrtc.htm
 

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Neither Federal entities mention anything that would equate to a movie maker would stay out of Canada. CRTC handles all broadcasting and telecommunications in Canada. Advantages of using Canada for locations has always been: locations, low $ compared to US, and a skilled experienced workforce.

My search has come up with zero Hollywood producers have stayed out of Canada because of Canadian content regulations.

http://onf-nfb.gc.ca/en/about-the-nfb/organization/mandate/

https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/acrtc/acrtc.htm
Looks like you were posting while I was editing my post. Note my edit :)
 

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Looks like you were posting while I was editing my post. Note my edit :)
Exactly:D

I looked at that link and it's about the specialty channels on cable TV. They have been money losers since their inception so producers hesitate investing in Canada. The CRTC does have a strangle hold on cable at the request of the cable companies to protect Canadian interests.

Nothing to do with big budget Hollywood productions.
 

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Canadian exports make up for only 2 - 4% of the American economy - a negligible amount that the Americans can supplant from elsewhere. The US congress will not likely make a move. NW

Canada is a resourse based ecomomy where natural resources are the king. Manufacturing was mostly in Ontario and Quesbec. Onatario’s Auto pack died in the 90s, causing that province to nickel and dime every provincial budget for the last 25 years. The big tech industry of computers and cell phone did have some successes, but overseas manufacturing is more profitable. Most of that raw material is exported and then imported as manufactured items. Its cheaper to manufacture overseas and in the states.



Canada has some of the highest trade barriers and tariffs in the world and has an extremely protectionist trade policy. The NAFTA agreement has traditionally exclusively benefited Canada at the cost of America. NW

Good for Canada.
This protects our high wages for the the person that sweep the floor at any manufacturing plant instead of having him on welfare.
sarcasm


If you've ever traveled abroad, or tried to ship items from the states, you'll note that anything above the value of 20 $ CAD will be taxed upon import into Canada, while this limit is 750 $ USD if you import into the states. We have high dairy, lumber, mineral, and petroleum taxes in addition to massive VAT across all goods. Everything coming into Canada is slapped with a tariff and the consumers pay for it. We are one of the worst violators of the free-trade agreement, and were only included in the old 1994 treaty as a courtesy for borrowed airspace for the American NORAD program. As a result, Canada has some of the most anti-competition policies in the world and our goods and services industry is dominated by inefficient manufacturers and government sponsored contracts. NW

Well just look these are the only stores you need for everyday life. WALMART, Cdn Tire, BEST Buy, and a Grocery Store and a gas station. Need I say that Canada is a socialist country, and that is why the high taxes.



I can understand why we have some of these protectionist policies.. because we have limited business opportunities and market..
And four country as a whole has less population then California or the eastern states. And they would just dump product in Canada at low prices..
And that would impact the job market and manufacturing.
I hope he sticks to what best for Canada.
Give us a taxe break. So we can afford the higher prices. JS

Canada is a socialist country, we give everything away to politicians and people on welfare in order to buy votes for the next election. And to repay the political allies. Our manufactured goods are mostly created in Asian countries, imported throught he states (WALMART) or directly from China. Tax breaks are pipe dreams, because of the politicians and we are a socialist country….


I think it’s critical to understand that we are not dealing with a good faith negotiator on the other side of the table. This administration wants to beat us into submission. I think our negotiating team now realizes that they are dealing with a different animal. G

Those negotiating for Canada already knew this, just couldn’t say so publicly…. They are not stupid….


Trump's rhetoric against Mexico was much stronger than anything he's said about Canada, but they managed to get a deal.
The failure to be part of a deal is squarely on the ineffectual negotiators from Canada.
The US is our closest, biggest trading partner. We have to get a deal me might not like. Where are we going to sell our cars and lumber? Vietnam? CT

Again the beaucrats aren’t stupid. May I predict a painful Trade War with the US. No creature comforts, so we Canadians will have to make the stuff for overselves.


We've always needed protection or we'd have no industry at all because who can compete with them? Without tariffs we'd just be mining logging and maybe farming certain crops. Next time you shop for vegetables look at where they come from, even apples come from Washington and potatoes from Idaho because they're cheaper than ours. BO

Look at education in our provinces. Used to be a lot of skills courses to teach kids to work with their hands (metuallury, wood work, forestry, home economics- cooking, sewing etc). Now there are few schools that teach hands on skills and teaching has gone to the computer IT or sciences. No one wants to be doctor, too long in school, high tutition fees etc.. Better to try to be hockey/sports player


Time to threaten drug patents and intellectual property rights.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/secon...erty-1.4708630
Maybe a few calls from the CEO's of Pfizer, J & J, Glaxo Smith Kline, Sony Music, Google, Apple, etc will get Trump's attention. JB

Canada already has deals with some major drug companies making the drugs cheaper in Canada. But the ideal of hitting their patents is a good one.
Maybe why the US went to war in the Gulf and Afghanistan because Muslim Countries don’t believe in Patents
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I've read it here before and it is the ultimate weapon to use in a trade war. I think it was a couple of smaller countries in South or Central America who last threatened it against bullying by the USA. The USA dropped the bullying immediately and left them alone.
That said, if we are face trade with no trade agreement in place and they force a massive downfall in our economy by putting duties on our auto industry; entering legislation to kill their patents in Canada is probably the right course to take. Washington is run by lobbyists on behalf of all of those industries and the thought of a Northern neighbour no longer observing patents would create havoc in the US Congress and Senate.
Also it was mentioned the US and Mexico got the deal done without any problems. Ah, the Mexican's have a new President coming into office soon. The outgoing President agreed to this new deal. Do you really think it was done to benefit the opposing political party? I doubt it but we will see. BBB

Smoke and Mirrors, The D needs the free trade because he hasn’t come up with anything substantial before the elections in November, where likely the Democrats will have majorities in both house, due to bungling Donald tweets.


I didn't say anything about US violating free trade. Canada has been and is the most sued NAFTA country. We have violated more NAFTA conventions that Mexcio and US combined. I also do not believe Canada has ever won a NAFTA case vs the US. The US is more efficient and competitive, not more violating. NW

The problem is that if a Canadian government (provincial or federal) want to protect an area, and a free trade agreement takes away their soventry in this area, then there should be no free trade agreement. What about softwood lumber?



Very good! Someone who actually knows hat they are writing about.
And when it come to dairy supply management, even the American farmers will tell you that they wish they had supply management. The current system in the USA requires, as bbb writes in his post, massive subsidies in order for some of the dairy farmers to survive. I also know I don't want to drink the hormone laced milk produced by the USA farmers.
And the feast and famine that the USA farmers have experienced has been going on for many years. When I was much younger, and still helping my dad out on his dairy farm, I remember we were able to buy quality diary cows from the USA with these ugly tattoos on their faces? What the hell you say? The American government had paid the American dairy farmer top dollars to apply the tattoos. Why you ask? Because of overproduction of milk in the USA. These cows, once tattooed, were not allowed to be used anywhere in the USA for the purposes of producing milk. Many of these cows were slaughtered for meat (very wasteful!), but since these were high producing dairy cows, the farmers instead sold some of them ioutside of the country for more $$$. You must admit that limiting milk production in this manner, while effective, was highly inefficient!
The Canadian supply management system is not perfect, but at least it does not require Canadian government subsidies, making hamburger out of very expensive dairy animals, or require charity concerts by Willie Nelson to keep dairy farmers from going broke. And supply management guarantees a constant supply of high quality milk for the Canadian consumer.
JD

Just remember what the subsidies to the US grain/farmers did to the USSR. The US supplied grain to them and took it away, people in eastern Europe were starving and then the Berlin Wall came down. Once access to any of our food supplies is granted then we are at another countries mercy.

What people should understand is that DT Is “Do as I say, not as I do” kinda person. He wants to make America Great again. Increase manufacturing jobs that in American can’t compete with countries that have lower wages. His own companies get things manufactured in Asia, and brings them back the US to sell at higher profit. He wants to take all the rules the US congress has on business restrictions in order to have a more free market system , which will lose all sense of control (thing 1929 stock market crash). Yes over the last 20 years a lot of American economic restrictions have been lifted, which resulted in the 2008 crash of a mortgage company where thousands lost their homes… and for the next 7 years the US economy was shits…. No bankers went to jail over this… cause they took from the poor to give to the rich
 

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Some interesting history about trade with USA

We are their largest trading partner followed by Mexico and China.

Last year the US exported $300B worth of goods and services to Canada

USA has a trade surplus with Canada. #45 refuses to include Services and only looks at Goods.

Increasing tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber 21% had a fast reaction in the US with the price of wood going up 27% and losing over 9400 jobs as a direct result of the increased tariffs.

Last year the US exported twice as much dairy to Canada than we exported to the USA. It's a $500M market which is quite small compared with other goods.

Canada's trade tariffs are one of the lowest in the developed world market. Japan, EU and USA have higher tariffs than Canada.


https://www.businessinsider.com/rattner-the-real-state-of-us-canadian-trade-in-4-charts-2018-7
 

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Trump was playing his victim routine again, saying Canada is flooding the US with cheap cars.
I've had a Yukon, a Sierra and a Corvette, all made in the USA. Oh and several Harleys, also made in the USA.
Border traffic goes both ways.
Trump's fans are too stupid to understand that. They like feeling sorry for themselves.
 
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