There are many types of ass *oles in this world and this is only one type, that person would not throw a lit cig butt onto his floor at home but no problem throwing it on everyone else floor, people that do this is a reflection of who they are, no honor,no truth,no class and especially no self respect...a common denominator when it comes to ass*oles, of course in my opinion.
To people who throw cigarettes butt out the window or on a sidewalk
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you're going to equate not putting a shopping cart back to burning down a forest?
assuming people are rude for this, is one of our biggest problems in the world.....maybe the person has gout or forgot the stove on... get a grip people, you can't tell what a persons story is from a shopping cart...not even the ones that live in them
Isn't the littering fine up to $2000.00 see link
http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/94consol18/94consol18/79239#section3.
However when was the last time you heard of someone receiving a $2000.00 fine for violating this law.
I say put a littering tax on Cigarettes to pay for street sweepers and make the butts worth say 10 cents.
The binners would return the butts like pop cans.
http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/94consol18/94consol18/79239#section3.
However when was the last time you heard of someone receiving a $2000.00 fine for violating this law.
I say put a littering tax on Cigarettes to pay for street sweepers and make the butts worth say 10 cents.
The binners would return the butts like pop cans.
lived through the Garnett fire and the recent East Kelowna fire. anyone who smokes and tosses out their butts or lights a campfire and doesn’t properly extinguish is putting lives and livelihoods at serious risk and ought to be prosecuted as to extent of damage. just drove length of province last week and it’s another uncontrollable mess.
So here's how it works at campgrounds during a fire ban.
No campfires- duh!
Propane fire rings- flames to 6"- OK.
Propane stoves and grills- OK.
Smoking cigarettes- OK! Just use an ashtray.
Mosquito coils- NOT OK!
I called the attendant out on the coils vs cigarettes rules.
She told me that mosquito coil embers can drop and cause a flame. Cigarettes are OK as long as you use an ashtray, can- even the unused fire ring- etc- and it's too tough to enforce or restrict a person's personal decision to smoke. I asked her if it was OK to put my coils in a tin tray because the bugs were incessant? She said Nope- you'll be asked to pack up and leave. Police called if necessary.
What a crock of shit.
No campfires- duh!
Propane fire rings- flames to 6"- OK.
Propane stoves and grills- OK.
Smoking cigarettes- OK! Just use an ashtray.
Mosquito coils- NOT OK!
I called the attendant out on the coils vs cigarettes rules.
She told me that mosquito coil embers can drop and cause a flame. Cigarettes are OK as long as you use an ashtray, can- even the unused fire ring- etc- and it's too tough to enforce or restrict a person's personal decision to smoke. I asked her if it was OK to put my coils in a tin tray because the bugs were incessant? She said Nope- you'll be asked to pack up and leave. Police called if necessary.
What a crock of shit.
With the help of the recent rain, and if the winds stay away for another week....we got this.
Although.....that's what the geniuses in Forestry said last year to me in 5 different Wildfire meetings...and everyone knows how great that worked out.
just saw on the news/facebook that rcmp is saying at least 20 of the okanagan fires have been deliberately set? that is downright moronic and scary
Some people need to be taken out and shot.
A friend in LA just told me the same thing happened there. Some idiot just got arrested for starting a fire that destroyed dozens of homes.
WTF is wrong with these people.
You'd be amazed how many are deliberately set.....or started from some dumbass wanting to drink beer around a campfire, in the middle of August.....in a high wind, surrounded by knee high dead grass.
Of course if you call it a spirit fire, or are burning to promote your asparagus growth....that would be your indigenous right....and you'll never be charged for it.
And with that comment.... I'll just go make some popcorn.
Of course if you call it a spirit fire, or are burning to promote your asparagus growth....that would be your indigenous right....and you'll never be charged for it.
And with that comment.... I'll just go make some popcorn.
I keep hearing this persistent rumour about intentionally set fires to create a need for their employment.
That's just so fucked up that people who claim to be one with earth would act this way.
Do you have any links ?
The only link I have is what I know.....happens all the time.
The Elephant Hill fire was called the Ashcroft Reserve fire at first, and was changed because they pointed the finger at the Railway, and it wasn't politically correct.
Everyone here knows that's bullshit.....plenty of people witnessed what happened in the first few minutes.
The RCMP have remained silent.....one with the earth my ass.
Long ago I was on a mountaintop above a large lake in B.C. I happened to notice a boat put out from a village of folk who are no doubt one with the earth. I watched the boat progress down the lake for a few km and then put in to shore. Soon a plume of smoke rose from near where the boat put in to shore. The boat left the spot and headed back up the lake to "one with the earth village". The plume of smoke got bigger and bigger. Flames became visible.
It was a very spiritual experience.
I will add to my rather controversial comment....the indigenous people used to light entire eco systems on fire to promote new growth for their sustenance purposes, as not much can be harvested from an old growth forest.
It was in fact in their very culture to do so.....having said that, there are other practices like taking slaves etc. That have been stopped.
Perhaps the careless use of fire in our society should be viewed in the same way as slavery, or skull binding....it is simply not done anymore in our current society,and is deemed not necessary, or adding to the common good.... assuming that they want to be part of the society we all seem to be a part of, and benefit from.
The negative benefits from burning, to promote new growth...far outweigh the few people that practice will feed, even if it may have cultural foundations. There is simply to great a risk of the further damage a small field fire might turn into.
Yet it keeps happening, and nobody talks about it, for fear of being called a racist by the people surrounded by pavement, and who don't have to live with the risks.
It was in fact in their very culture to do so.....having said that, there are other practices like taking slaves etc. That have been stopped.
Perhaps the careless use of fire in our society should be viewed in the same way as slavery, or skull binding....it is simply not done anymore in our current society,and is deemed not necessary, or adding to the common good.... assuming that they want to be part of the society we all seem to be a part of, and benefit from.
The negative benefits from burning, to promote new growth...far outweigh the few people that practice will feed, even if it may have cultural foundations. There is simply to great a risk of the further damage a small field fire might turn into.
Yet it keeps happening, and nobody talks about it, for fear of being called a racist by the people surrounded by pavement, and who don't have to live with the risks.
Instead of using Google to get your info....why don't you try living up here for awhile.
Your eyes will be opened in a big hurry.
As for your family on the front lines....thank them for their service, and ask them about this very subject.
You may find that the Government is not talking about it...you see, I too am on the front lines, and I'm not just some hose monkey that has an axe to grind.
I can name two dozen fires set by indigenous people, that were simply promoting new growth for harvest, and they turned into wildfires in a big hurry....the government knew who lit them, and there was no charges in a single instance.
If you opened your eyes and looked around up here....you'd find the need for me to substantiate anything would be fucking ridiculous, everyone fighting fires knows this.
I have no agenda against aboriginal peoples...I'm stating an experienced fact.
Fires are started in numerous ways, and not just by people I was asked by BBB about it, and I answered his question....the need for controlled burning to promote new growth by people who are not qualified, or equipped to contain a deliberately set fire needs to stop...or at least charges need to be laid when it does happen.
The time for double standards is very over.
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It's not much better the further north you go.
Prince George was in total darkness at 10 AM this morning.
I'd also like to add, you are very right on several points.....Boreal forest, at least here in Canada, needs to burn every 100-140 years to regenerate....Rain forest likes to burn off approx. every 300 years.
The problem is....in Boreal forest the Douglas Fir , or Lodge pole Pine , depending on the elevations,will take over and grow so thick after 25 years it will stall because of the lack of water going to the roots, and compete against each other. What you have is a thick stand of pecker poles, that will take decades to sort out who is going to survive.
It is very natural in occurrence....but not that great for the employment in the lumber industry.....this is what will bite Forestry in the ass in a few decades.
The controlled burning around towns is a great idea, they've done it around up here for decades....but BC is far to vast to ever complete even 10% of its landscape.
Back burning a wildfire to try to direct it has become the norm, but doesn't work due to the interior outflow winds.....I've set them myself, and lost control of them numerous times, even with outrageous numbers of firefighters, and aircraft at my disposal.
There is no easy answer....We have enough to do with lightning strikes alone....people....ALL people need to be educated on playing with fire, and how not to start them.
Just yesterday I was driving home through the smoke, and noticed a small fire in the trees along Hwy 97..... When I investigated, I found a family from Vancouver had pulled over, and decided it would be nice for their kids to have a campfire in the trees in a nice little meadow...and roast some wieners.
I informed them of the Fire Ban, and asked if they've noticed the smoke hanging all around them.....
I just have to shake my head, because that's the second time in two weeks I've run across this....if your not going to be smart when playing with fire, stay out of the bush....or in particular my homeland, and my fire zone.
As I said....we have enough to deal with, without someone adding to the problem, and claiming ignorance after their little campfire, or brush fire ...becomes 200 acres , and is headed for the nearest town or settlement.
No pissing contest.....we both had something to say.
Thanks my friend, see you down the trail.
