Just saw this on CBC newsfeed and got me thinking how many of the girls here feel the same way inside. Outside of Perb I would bet the percentage is quite high.https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4587824
Dear Jeff letter makes one think seriously
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That is a very damaged woman in need of help.
Her letter mentions lovers and sex outside of being an SP that she feels as conflicted, upset and repulsed by, so it has less to do with being an SP and more to do with her inner torment. I suspect she had mental health issues well before a 14 year old boy asked her to touch his penis.
The narrative of anti-sex lobbyists always points in one direction, but rarely brings up the women who are mentally and emotionally stable and find sex work empowering, lucrative and enjoyable.
Her letter mentions lovers and sex outside of being an SP that she feels as conflicted, upset and repulsed by, so it has less to do with being an SP and more to do with her inner torment. I suspect she had mental health issues well before a 14 year old boy asked her to touch his penis.
The narrative of anti-sex lobbyists always points in one direction, but rarely brings up the women who are mentally and emotionally stable and find sex work empowering, lucrative and enjoyable.
Ask one whose been doing it for more than 20 years and see if she finds it enjoyable.
Some ladies are in it for those reasons, some are addicted to sex, money or/and attention and some just enjoy the life and everything that comes with it..... individual people make individual choices for their individual reasons.
That article made me feel sick to my stomach and I certainly do not "work" under those conditions. If I did I am sure I would be a drug addict..
I'm a fun addict lol
That article made me feel sick to my stomach and I certainly do not "work" under those conditions. If I did I am sure I would be a drug addict..
I'm a fun addict lol
CBC Creative Writing 101.
Ticks all the boxes. Abused as a child. Hates her job. Her customers are all disgusting and have erectile dysfunction. They supply her with drugs to make her job bearable. They call themselves "Jeff"...I have never heard that before.
Seven customers a day, who hate themselves and are disgusted with her. Yeah ok.
Article is tailored to an audience, who want to believe that stereotype.
Ticks all the boxes. Abused as a child. Hates her job. Her customers are all disgusting and have erectile dysfunction. They supply her with drugs to make her job bearable. They call themselves "Jeff"...I have never heard that before.
Seven customers a day, who hate themselves and are disgusted with her. Yeah ok.
Article is tailored to an audience, who want to believe that stereotype.
I think there is a whole range of experiences that bring women to this industry, and while there are many uncoerced willing women who enter the industry freely and enjoy it, I don't think it is healthy to ignore or diminish that there is also a portion of the industry that is filled with coerced, sometimes trafficked, abused and drug abusing women.
I have made a personal commitment to try to be a non exploitive purchaser of sex, but I can't deny my personal experiences. Personally, I have met women who experience anxiety, not excitement, before meeting clients. I have met women who struggled with seeing men that disgusted them. I have met women who have taken drugs or alcohol to make work bearable. I have met women who were drug addicts, but hid it well. I have met women that were 'turned out' by pimp boyfriends. I have met women who have been beaten up by their pimps. I have met women whose pimps have forced them to provide no restriction 'dates'. I have met women that have had boundaries pushed, experienced abuse or been raped by clients. I have met women who hate this industry but feel stuck because the reward can be financial security and independence.
I know and can't ignore that this exists.
I have made a personal commitment to try to be a non exploitive purchaser of sex, but I can't deny my personal experiences. Personally, I have met women who experience anxiety, not excitement, before meeting clients. I have met women who struggled with seeing men that disgusted them. I have met women who have taken drugs or alcohol to make work bearable. I have met women who were drug addicts, but hid it well. I have met women that were 'turned out' by pimp boyfriends. I have met women who have been beaten up by their pimps. I have met women whose pimps have forced them to provide no restriction 'dates'. I have met women that have had boundaries pushed, experienced abuse or been raped by clients. I have met women who hate this industry but feel stuck because the reward can be financial security and independence.
I know and can't ignore that this exists.
awareness is everything
I don't do any of that.... I can choose to do, or not to do, something whereas you may have to talk to your boss if you refuse to work :laugh: <--sorry for laughing (sosorrynotsorry
)I'm also aware that I am a lot more independent and strong minded than a lot of women, and really wish I could save and protect the ones that need it....
Why do you suspect a little 6-year-old girl getting molested had previous mental health issues?
This is a great reply!
I've also been in this world for long enough to see that there are many very very sad situations involving women being exploited, abused, coerced and more. Every client should make it his mandate to try his best to ensure he's seeing a happy and healthy sex worker, who is doing this of her own accord.
I'm not sure how avoiding the exploited ones helps them, they need to money too and could get beaten more if they don't make it. IMO avoiding these girls doesn't help them any more than paying them (unless they're plain outright dirty drug addicts) I give out money to people that work on the streets, if they are working towards something...no matter what it is they do, they made that choice to stay there (because everyone can run, get help and save themselves, I know because I had to do it once or twice myself)
I feel sorry for that lady in the article. There needs to be better outreach to people who work in the sex trade and better options for treatment for people suffering from addiction and mental health issues or people in violent relationships/situations. Looking down on societies poorest members reflects on how badly we deal with its most vulnerable citizens. I don't look down on people or think I'm any better than them because to be honest,many of us are only a couple missed pay cheques away from the same situation.
I enjoy the company of most of the women that I've seen and if asked for help by them or snyone on the street I'd gladly help within reason or help them find resources to make their lives better.
I enjoy the company of most of the women that I've seen and if asked for help by them or snyone on the street I'd gladly help within reason or help them find resources to make their lives better.
Generally speaking, if a guy got a girl drunk or drugged to take advantage of her, that's rape. So I can see the argument that those who drug themselves in order to concede "consent" are on some level victimised, even if they had a part in it. Plus the drugs can lead to the vicious cycle of needing money to get drugs, needing drugs to do your job and make money. Those are the kind of people I think it's right for society to question whether they should be doing this job (assuming society does more than just judge and scorn, that it also offers solutions).
But then as people here point out, there's the another variety... women who actually enjoy what they do, that don't need to numb themselves to do it. It doesn't fit into the narrative above. It would be great if society could recognise there's more than one dimension to it.
Edit to add: it reminds me of the topic of polyamory. The obvious example people think of is polygamy: kept women married off young and treated as property. But then there's the progressive open minded consensual polyamorists that have more in common with the LGBTQ community than Bountiful. Still the harm of the former is seen as too great a price to acknowledge and legitimise the latter, and so they have to hide in the shadows, making the negative stereotype the only one most people are familiar with.
But then as people here point out, there's the another variety... women who actually enjoy what they do, that don't need to numb themselves to do it. It doesn't fit into the narrative above. It would be great if society could recognise there's more than one dimension to it.
Edit to add: it reminds me of the topic of polyamory. The obvious example people think of is polygamy: kept women married off young and treated as property. But then there's the progressive open minded consensual polyamorists that have more in common with the LGBTQ community than Bountiful. Still the harm of the former is seen as too great a price to acknowledge and legitimise the latter, and so they have to hide in the shadows, making the negative stereotype the only one most people are familiar with.
Am I reading correctly Emmy St Claire VANCOUVER Companion? OMG I know what my birthday gift to myself will be.
The stigma around prostitution is insane, especially among the porn industry...So if there's a camera and other people get to watch, that's OK, but if the woman is seeing men behind closed doors in private, then that is somehow incredibly shady and seedy and disgusting etc etc!
Just giving money to somebody is not that controversial. Paying for a sex act is quite different. There's a question of consent. A question when (at what dollar amount) it becomes exploitation by the client. A question who are we helping when most money could be going to a pimp or to feeding a drug habit.
At least one prominent board member specialized in those less fortunate women, mostly street walkers. As interesting as his stories could be, they created a mixed feeling. They also could be easily used for anti-industry propaganda. The goal of helping those women could be true, but it also sounds a bit too much self-serving. Importantly, the person himself cannot be sure if all his motives are pure or if deep down he's fine with taking advantage of the women.
I wouldn't want to deserve those "dear Jeff" letters. The safest way to avoid that is to stay away from the questionable situations. Yes, there are lots of women (people, rather) whom the society failed. But there are some less controversial ways to help them.
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