Is Entrapment a Concern in BC?

[ludovico123]

I have been down in the states for the last 10+ years.
The rules are very different (strict/paranoid) down there when it comes to hiring a service provider.
Even the review boards have disclaimers about how everything described on the forums (reviews) is just fantasy.
You can get banned for describing sexual services that you got from a provider and saying what you paid for them.
It has been refreshing to see the level of straight forward information contained in the ads and reviews on this forum
On a side note, providers almost all show their faces (and full frontal pics) in their ads in the states, which is not the case here.

Anyway, back to the topic of entrapment.
Cops in the states somewhat regularly conduct stings.
They will rent a hotel room and post ads online.
When gents respond to those ads the cops will try to get the guys to agree to pay for sexual services through text.
When the guy arrives, they arrest him and have all the evidence in the text message log.
If they cant get it with texting, then the decoy police lady will try to get an audio recording of the guy agreeing to pay for sexual services.
Because of this I am very cautious of what I say over text and in person with anyone that I have not seen before.
I have been doing this for almost 20 years, and I have never had any issues, legal or otherwise. (knock on wood)
Do cops do stings like that here?
I have seen some articles about stings in BC, but it seems like they are more focused on sex trafficking and underage girls. (I think they should crack down on both of these more)
The laws here are kind of weird, and vague.
Is entrapment something to look out for here?

The motivation for this post comes from a text exchange I had a couple weeks ago.
I texted number from an asian group on leolist and asked about availability for an incall appointment.
I got a prompt response with a bunch of information.
I was told that they had incall locations in Langley, Surrey, Burnaby, Vancouver, and Richmond.
I told them that I was in Richmond.
They sent me a long text with 4 addresses and a description of the ladies that were available at each address.
There was also a description of each sexual act that was available and how much the session cost.
This freaked me out so I told them I couldn't make it that night and ended the conversation.

Anyone have knowledge to share?

 

[summerbreeze]

the old bullet proof test is to ask the SP out right, are you law enforcement

then ask them to touch you or let you touch them

it is my understanding that law enforcement cannot comply to this request and if they lie to you regarding the law enforcement question it is likely you will have entrapment evidence

if they are law enforcement they will likely have a microphone recording or transmitting to a fellow officer close by

for the most part up here law enforcement prefer to scare you off with the threat of charges and public exposure

the txt string you described does not sound out of ordinary for some of the managed groups around here

 

[Abbott_]

Well, would eMail work for yah ? :twitch:

 

[stinkynuts]

I know someone who was caught in a sting. It was advertised on craigslist, and when he arrived, she mentioned she was younger than the posted ad, and therefore underage. The guy paid the fee, and was busted. He was arrested and charged. This ruined his life in so many ways. He had to break up with the love his life, leave the country to go back to his native country, and he was one semester away from graduating university with a degree in engineering. That one decision literally destroyed him, and he lived a very hard life. This was in Florida.

 

[tedsweettangv]

the old bullet proof test is to ask the SP out right, are you law enforcement

then ask them to touch you or let you touch them

it is my understanding that law enforcement cannot comply to this request and if they lie to you regarding the law enforcement question it is likely you will have entrapment evidence

if they are law enforcement they will likely have a microphone recording or transmitting to a fellow officer close by

for the most part up here law enforcement prefer to scare you off with the threat of charges and public exposure

the txt string you described does not sound out of ordinary for some of the managed groups around here

I don't know about the touching thing but I have a nephew and two cousins that are either local (Winnipeg) cops or RCMP and a cop can DEFINITELY LIE about being a cop if you ask them if they are one. It is a myth that they can't. One of them works drug squad and laughs when dealers ask him that and then look all offended and think they are going to get off because he said no. If somebody identifies themselves as a cop you can ask to see their ID to verify but they never have to identify themselves until of course they are arresting you.

 

[Lady Companion]

the old bullet proof test is to ask the SP out right, are you law enforcement

then ask them to touch you or let you touch them

it is my understanding that law enforcement cannot comply to this request and if they lie to you regarding the law enforcement question it is likely you will have entrapment evidence

if they are law enforcement they will likely have a microphone recording or transmitting to a fellow officer close by

for the most part up here law enforcement prefer to scare you off with the threat of charges and public exposure

the txt string you described does not sound out of ordinary for some of the managed groups around here

That is not at all accurate. Entrapment is when an officer tricks you, usually with extreme measures, into doing something that you wouldn't do under normal circumstances. That absolutely does not apply to the scenario you are outlining.

Of course they will lie. It is their job to enforce the law. If multi year investigations could be foiled just because somebody asked them if they were a cop, there would be no point in having undercover officers.

In fact, asking if they are a cop is detrimental for you. You are basically saying that you know what you are going to do is illegal. No wiggle room for misunderstanding once you ask that.

As for touching, I am nearly positive that is ok as well. Officers who work undercover on drug operations often have to take the drugs to maintain their cover. I don't see how touching or being touched would be any different.

With all of that said, take a giant breath and relax. VPD has made it clear that they have better things to do with their resources than go after consenting adults. Different story if minors or exploitation/slavery is involved. But if you stick with people you know are of age, and are engaging in this line on their own free will, there is pretty much a zero percent chance of having an issue in Vancouver.

 

[Addison Cortez]

it is not illegal to give someone money. It is not illegal to charge for ones time spent. It is illegal to buy or sell sex or sexual services.
That being said, time/money spent, and what happens between two people is no ones business.

 

[westwoody]

the old bullet proof test is to ask the SP out right, are you law enforcement

That is ridiculous.

If anyone wants legal advice, go see a lawyer. Too much silliness here.

 

[Addison Cortez]

That is ridiculous.

If anyone wants legal advice, go see a lawyer. Too much silliness here.

or check in a law library

 

[jgg]

Good advice from ww. We even have our own in house lawyer.

http://sadvocacy.com/

 

[thodisipagal]

it is not illegal to give someone money. It is not illegal to charge for ones time spent. It is illegal to buy or sell sex or sexual services.
That being said, time/money spent, and what happens between two people is no ones business.

In response to SCC decision on Canada v. Bedford, in which SCC declared prostitution law unconstitutional, Harper government introduced and enacted Bill C-36 in Sept. 2014, which amended Canada's Criminal Code to the effect that it is illegal to buy sex but not illegal to sell it. This was based on what is often called the Nordic Model.

Apparently, the legislation was a compromise and designed to pass the constitutional test and touted as protecting providers.

So, yes, since Sept. 2014, you ladies can legally sell apple but men cannot legally buy apple.

I fail to understand the then Justice Minister Peter McKay's logic behind this legislation.

 

[badbadboy]

I know someone who was caught in a sting. It was advertised on craigslist, and when he arrived, she mentioned she was younger than the posted ad, and therefore underage. The guy paid the fee, and was busted. He was arrested and charged. This ruined his life in so many ways. He had to break up with the love his life, leave the country to go back to his native country, and he was one semester away from graduating university with a degree in engineering. That one decision literally destroyed him, and he lived a very hard life. This was in Florida.

i watched a news (CBC or CTV?) program about stings across Canada that dealt with guys who were seeking underage SP's. Usually advertised on CL or BP. Even when notified the girls were underage, these guys still tried to go through with the date.

Stings like these are a good thing and should be a regular thing to take these underage people out of the market.

 

[Addison Cortez]

In response to SCC decision on Canada v. Bedford, in which SCC declared prostitution law unconstitutional, Harper government introduced and enacted Bill C-36 in Sept. 2014, which amended Canada's Criminal Code to the effect that it is illegal to buy sex but not illegal to sell it. This was based on what is often called the Nordic Model.

Apparently, the legislation was a compromise and designed to pass the constitutional test and touted as protecting providers.

So, yes, since Sept. 2014, you ladies can legally sell apple but men cannot legally buy apple.

I fail to understand the then Justice Minister Peter McKay's logic behind this legislation.

I was unaware of that!! Thank you!! I was aware escorting has been legal, for a while, because there is licensing available. Making a donation to spend time with someone isn't illegal.

 

[thodisipagal]

I was unaware of that!! Thank you!! I was aware escorting has been legal, for a while, because there is licensing available. Making a donation to spend time with someone isn't illegal.

You are correct; money exchanged for non-sexual compsnionship and the time spent is legal. As you said, what happens behind the closed doors between two consenting (or three or four) adults is not the government's business.

 

[Abbott_]

... Making a donation to spend time with someone isn't illegal.

And such donations may be elligible for special tax treatment .

(ymmv ~ see your planner )
_________________:nerd:​

 

[Addison Cortez]

And such donations may be elligible for special tax treatment .

(ymmv ~ see your planner )
_________________:nerd:​

this is where it gets interesting :laugh:

 

[storm rider]

As another person said earlier in the thread the VPD as well as other LE across the country have better things to do.That being said all LE agencies do keep an eye out for trafficking as well as underage girls and they will crackdown on street level prostitution from time to time via blitzes that usually target the buyers from my observations.There is a stroll not far from my house but I would never even consider going there to pick up a gal because most if not all are drug addicts and of course the risk of getting busted.

SR

 

[ludovico123]

It seems I was just being overly paranoid.
The group is probably legit.
The last 4 of their phone is 2322.
They post a LOT.
But, there are no reviews of any of the ladies that work there...
There is a 411 thread, but still no info.
It seems a little weird.

 

[doctordoom]

It seems I was just being overly paranoid.
The group is probably legit.
The last 4 of their phone is 2322.
They post a LOT.
But, there are no reviews of any of the ladies that work there...
There is a 411 thread, but still no info.
It seems a little weird.

I could be wrong but when I look at all their ads and all those Korean supermodel looking pictures I think there is a good chance that isn't who meets you at the door. May not necessarily be a bad thing but I think those pics are taken from a site in Korea or a Instagram feed.

Also Could be a booking company booking for other agencies.

 

[Abbott_]

Me thinks they are in cahoots with COSTCO .