The New Liberal NDP's

[Cock Throppled]

Just wondering what Liberal supporters and voters think about the principles Christy Clark and the Liberals have now that she's decided to become an NDP'er?

All of the things she said were unaffordable, irresponsible and impractible, now seem to be able to be adopted, and funded and implemented even faster than the opposition was promising.

So, if you voted Liberal, under Clark, you're now getting most of the major planks of the NDP and Green platform, according to her throne speech. If those ideas were so bad before the election, why are they now good after the election?

 

[badbadboy]

Admittedly, I was shocked when I heard it on the radio. Incomprehensible that she would have made such an about face policy-wise.

Personally, I'm more left of Liberal and a non-believer in the NDP's capabilities.

I wish I had some free money for childcare years ago when I really needed it. It was tough making ends meet then as it is now. I am happy that with this buy some votes policy both parents will be able to work; keeping them in our city and province. Costs are so high that raising a family on one salary is rare these days. The brain drain is real and BC employers are having difficulty finding qualified applicants as it is now.

The $100 a month welfare increase is long overdue. It seemed cruel our province lagged behind all the other provinces in that regard.

I thought the Liberals may have waited it out and the Green NDP would show what a clusterfuck alliance they have made. They will self destruct anyway and the Liberals will get back to power as a result of their pettiness without having to make wholesale changes to all their policies.

 

[apl16]

Anything to stay in power........ keep the corruption money coming in.

 

[Mr Quim]

Just wondering what Liberal supporters and voters think about the principles Christy Clark and the Liberals have now that she's decided to become an NDP'er?

All of the things she said were unaffordable, irresponsible and impractible, now seem to be able to be adopted, and funded and implemented even faster than the opposition was promising.

So, if you voted Liberal, under Clark, you're now getting most of the major planks of the NDP and Green platform, according to her throne speech. If those ideas were so bad before the election, why are they now good after the election?

Admittedly, I was shocked when I heard it on the radio. Incomprehensible that she would have made such an about face policy-wise.

Personally, I'm more left of Liberal and a non-believer in the NDP's capabilities.

I am happy that with this buy some votes policy both parents will be able to work; keeping them in our city and province. Costs are so high that raising a family on one salary is rare these days.

The $100 a month welfare increase is long overdue. It seemed cruel our province lagged behind all the other provinces in that regard.

Normally, I would avoid any Political Commentary, like the Plague !

But, CT & Triple B, raise some very good Points !

Nce job Gentlemen !

I'm throwing in my 2 Cents, to raise a concern, about a bigger Question ?

First off, I'm of No Political Stripe !

I hate to generalize, but, most Politicians are Cork Soaking, Lying, Two Faced, Ship Jumpers !

I don't believe in a God !
Just the same, as I don't believe in Truth, in Politics !

Christy Clark has once again, reaffirmed at least One, of those beliefs ?

Sort of Smells, like that whole HST Debacle, all over again ?

Which brings Me to my real reason, for Commenting on this Thread .

When I read this Thread, the first thoughts in my Head were, "Just more of the same, from a Bunch of lying Cocksucking Politicians" !

Which made Me reflect for a moment, given the Forum I'm participating on ?

Why would I think of a Cocksucker, in negative, or derogatory Context ?

On this Board, We celebrate a good Cocksucker ?

I'd have to Suggest, it harkens back to my Youth ? And hearing significant Men(Uncles, Etc.)in my Life, using that Term to describe a Person of less than noble Traits ? LOL

I guess my Question is, why would the Term "Cocksucker," have such a negative connotation ?
No matter what, your Sexual persuasion ?

So go ahead Christy Clark, Soak all the Corks you want around the Parliament Buildings, because I'll never use that Term of Endearment when referring to You ?

You Lying Cork Soaker !

Sorry C.T., for possibly Side-Tracking your Thread ?
No malice intended !

Just my 2 Cents !

Cheers

P.S. I never heard anything about Minimum Wage, in the proposed "Thrown Speech" ?
But, that was another Topic, the Liberals managed to drag their Feet on ?
Something for People, who actually want to Work for a Living ?
And just to Clarify, I'm all for Social Assistance, as a Stop-Gap measure .
But, It's not a long term Lifestyle ?

 

[Damaged]

Anything to stay in power........ keep the corruption money coming in.

Were you referring to the NDP & Greens or the liberals?

 

[Amerix]

I think she's risking sending a lot of support to the conservative party, if the provincial version can ever get its shit together.

 

[Bridge]

Just wondering what Liberal supporters and voters think about the principles Christy Clark and the Liberals have now that she's decided to become an NDP'er?

All of the things she said were unaffordable, irresponsible and impractible, now seem to be able to be adopted, and funded and implemented even faster than the opposition was promising.

So, if you voted Liberal, under Clark, you're now getting most of the major planks of the NDP and Green platform, according to her throne speech. If those ideas were so bad before the election, why are they now good after the election?

It is quite possible she is positioning herself for the next election in an effort to be all things to all people.

 

[MissingOne]

Just wondering what Liberal supporters and voters think about the principles Christy Clark and the Liberals have now that she's decided to become an NDP'er?

All of the things she said were unaffordable, irresponsible and impractible, now seem to be able to be adopted, and funded and implemented even faster than the opposition was promising.

I don't think she expects to be in a position to implement any of her "GreeNDP" policies. I think her only purpose in putting them in the throne speech was to force the NDP and the Greens to vote against policies they would normally espouse, in order to defeat the government. Come the next election, the Liberals will be able to point at that as evidence of greed for power on the part of the GreeNDP.

 

[thodisipagal]

I don't think she expects to be in a position to implement any of her "GreeNDP" policies. I think her only purpose in putting them in the throne speech was to force the NDP and the Greens to vote against policies they would normally espouse, in order to defeat the government. Come the next election, the Liberals will be able to point at that as evidence of greed for power on the part of the GreeNDP.

Come next election, NDP will be able to point out that Christy Clark's "new, new, new" BC Liberals proposed progressive policies of NDP in the Throne Speech only as a desperate tactic to hang on to power, an evidence of greed for power on the part of the LibCons.

 

[Johnny Railz]

I think she's risking sending a lot of support to the conservative party, if the provincial version can ever get its shit together.

If I am not mistaken. Aren't the BC Liberals the equivalent of the Conservatives? In Ontario the Liberal party is so whacked they make the NDP look sensible. Federally the Liberals tend to be Centre-left or Centre-right. Not such the case in Ontario, but BC they tend to be more right.

 

[storm rider]

If I am not mistaken. Aren't the BC Liberals the equivalent of the Conservatives? In Ontario the Liberal party is so whacked they make the NDP look sensible. Federally the Liberals tend to be Centre-left or Centre-right. Not such the case in Ontario, but BC they tend to be more right.

The BC Liberals are "Liberal" in name only....the policies they espouse are centre right.As for Ontario the Liberals under that horse faced dyke Wynne are just plain destroying that province with bad governance and piss poor policy and I highly doubt they will be re-elected.Federally under the rule of our former substitute drama teacher Canada is mass importing economic refugees that breed like rabbits and they are also raising taxes any chance they get or can think of.The latest is the tax on booze that is tied to inflation.If in 2018 inflation comes in at 3% due to economic studies the price of beer/wine/spirits will get jacked by the same amount of tax and it is a cumulative tax that will happen year over year over year.Pretty soon a case of beer will be like a luxury item for the average Canadian due to this tax.I can see the hobby of making craft beer at home (which is easy to do) getting far more popular.

SR

 

[rlock]

Anything to stay in power........ keep the corruption money coming in.

+1 Christy and her cronies they'll say anything and mean nothing.

 

[rlock]

The BC Liberals are "Liberal" in name only...

This much is true. Christy ran a Harperite government; never mind the name-plate, which was just a byproduct of BC's devious politics.

 

[80watts]

Politics. Taxes. Budgets. How to get sh*t done. The problem all government face, not enough income to pay for all the services the public demands. Infrastructure and maintenance costs. The best thing I loved about BC politics: in the late 1990s sucessive elections the opposition party promised tax cuts and got elected and gave the people of the province a tax cut. So after 3 or 4 government changes; there was 3 or 4 tax cuts. oops new sources of income needed.......you get what you pay for....... or vote for. So people complaining about about the lack of service in health care, child care and schooling can only blame the voters ( especially if they voted for the tax cut, to keep money in their pocket).
As for corruption: politician's dealings have to be "above the board", to withstand scrutiny, no behind the scenes dealing.

 

[Johnny Railz]

I did not know about that tax on booze federally. This won't stop the provinces from imposing their own tax on it.

 

[alcxd]

I don't think she expects to be in a position to implement any of her "GreeNDP" policies. I think her only purpose in putting them in the throne speech was to force the NDP and the Greens to vote against policies they would normally espouse, in order to defeat the government. Come the next election, the Liberals will be able to point at that as evidence of greed for power on the part of the GreeNDP.

My thoughts exactly
Why wouldn't you wait & see what comes next from liberals
Don't just take a greedy power hungry attitude that it sounds like Horgan is taking
I'm so sick of seeing him on the news all the time
Reminds me of a little kid just raising shit to get noticed

 

[Damaged]

Politics. Taxes. Budgets. How to get sh*t done. The problem all government face, not enough income to pay for all the services the public demands. Infrastructure and maintenance costs. The best thing I loved about BC politics: in the late 1990s sucessive elections the opposition party promised tax cuts and got elected and gave the people of the province a tax cut. So after 3 or 4 government changes; there was 3 or 4 tax cuts. oops new sources of income needed.......you get what you pay for....... or vote for. So people complaining about about the lack of service in health care, child care and schooling can only blame the voters ( especially if they voted for the tax cut, to keep money in their pocket).
As for corruption: politician's dealings have to be "above the board", to withstand scrutiny, no behind the scenes dealing.

Actually I don't think the problem is "not enough income" from taxes, I think the problem is spending it wisely. Too many levels of government and too rich of salaries to start with. Same with pensions. Spend within your means, after all that what everyone else has to do. We need to stop this mentality of thinking that the solution is always to take more taxes.

 

[badbadboy]

Actually I don't think the problem is "not enough income" from taxes, I think the problem is spending it wisely. Too many levels of government and too rich of salaries to start with. Same with pensions. Spend within your means, after all that what everyone else has to do. We need to stop this mentality of thinking that the solution is always to take more taxes.

I recall about ten years ago seeing a bumper sticker as I was crossing the Iron Workers Bridge that said SLOG - Spend Less or Go.

I read up on it later and saw it was roughly the Libertarian policy of the day. I tend to agree that continued deficits and paying for huge programs (non health, welfare related) should be severely scrutinized before committing it to law.

People affiliated with Governments seem to forget that we are paying their salaries, pensions and benefits. When I see as a small business owner the Gov't is reaching into my pocket once again to provide more $ for their own benefit; it really does turn me off the whole system. I am unable to make more on sales and net more profit for myself yet they are wanting more margin out of me.

I try to live by the SLOG bumper I recalled in traffic. Perhaps if both sides of the political system would spend less and we were taxed less at every level except consumption taxes; it may be fairer to all.

 

[rlock]

Politics. Taxes. Budgets. How to get sh*t done. The problem all government face, not enough income to pay for all the services the public demands. Infrastructure and maintenance costs. The best thing I loved about BC politics: in the late 1990s sucessive elections the opposition party promised tax cuts and got elected and gave the people of the province a tax cut.
As for corruption: politician's dealings have to be "above the board", to withstand scrutiny, no behind the scenes dealing.

Well, people have funny ideas about democracy. Voting for what they want to hear no matter how untruthful, and scorning anything that seems like unpleasant facts. We end up rewarding leaders who have superficial charm or just confirm some stereotype, and punishing those who come up with actual solutions for real problems, if the sales pitch doesn't stroke our ego along the way. Should we be surprised that our leadership class turn out to be a bunch of sleazy opportunists, with the worst one usually in charge? Nope. As the saying goes, you reap what you sow.
I don't think democracy necessarily results in better decisions every time, but at least we can say if there is some grand fuck-up, we own it - we could have chosen better, but didn't. Better than living somewhere where your misery is forced on you by someone else, with a whip on your back and a gun to your head.

 

[rlock]

I recall about ten years ago seeing a bumper sticker as I was crossing the Iron Workers Bridge that said SLOG - Spend Less or Go.

I read up on it later and saw it was roughly the Libertarian policy of the day. I tend to agree that continued deficits and paying for huge programs (non health, welfare related) should be severely scrutinized before committing it to law.

People affiliated with Governments seem to forget that we are paying their salaries, pensions and benefits. When I see as a small business owner the Gov't is reaching into my pocket once again to provide more $ for their own benefit; it really does turn me off the whole system. I am unable to make more on sales and net more profit for myself yet they are wanting more margin out of me.

I try to live by the SLOG bumper I recalled in traffic. Perhaps if both sides of the political system would spend less and we were taxed less at every level except consumption taxes; it may be fairer to all.

I'd disagree with some of what you said. Do they forget that they are paid by taxpayers? No. Not any more than executives of companies forget that everything they have, they owe to their customers. I think they always know it, but whether that knowledge makes them act better or worse is the thing to watch out for.
This "I'm here to get paid & we are here to make money" motivation might has a place in business, but to bring that business attitude into government leads to corruption and injustice. The role of government is one of protection; not maximizing incomes while minimizing service, and not self-promotion or self-enrichment. Of course it has to fund what it does, and should take enough that it does not run in the red unless it's forced to. But how often is that honestly the case, where they must cut the essentials without having any non-essentials to cut first? What's "essential" depends on the motivations of the ones making the decisions, and those are often tainted by the desire to serve their own interests first.**

People criticize government for being too bloated, basically taking too much and giving too little, but when they say the government running like a business is the solution to this, I find this strange. The government gets this way because of people running it like a business. What it needs is leaders and employees who do not just look out for themselves. They should have real dedication to what they are doing; more like cops and soldiers - who all could have been richer doing something else, but chose service for service's sake.


(*Businesses that forget it tend to die off - although as you can see from the 2008 crash, the execs still collect their "performance" bonuses even if they run their business into the ground.)

(** For example: if the provincial government says it "can't afford" to spend $10M to keep foster kids from committing suicide, because "we have to keep taxes low", but suddenly they have $100M to throw into adverts telling us what an awesome job they are doing, what are we to make of this?)