if prostitution becomes legal, will the price go up,

[sevenofnine]

listening to a debate about the legalization of pot,
they are worried about the price, if it costs to much, people will still use there dealer down the street,
the tax man wants his money,
I guess there is going to be big jail time for someone selling with out a licence,

every once in awhile I get bored and poke around the web and look at hookers around the world legal ones working in a brothel and not so legal, ladies simply running a web site, trying to make some extra bucks,

now I could be wrong, but illegal hookers are cheaper, anything in a legal brothel is a few hundred bucks more, in some case a fucking ridiculous amount of money,
everybody needs there cut, the brothel owner, the tax man, various levels of government I would imagine are going to be cut in.

I understand from a safety point of view, and maybe the need to be legitimized the girls want this to be legal.
but just curious from a dollars and cents point of few not moral or legal,
it is going to cost more,

isn't it. if this thing ever becomes legal
it will cost more, but will the women make more, or will it just get spread around.

if someone ever figures out how to make us pay for breathing they will and the government will tax it to death,

 

[rayrice]

listening to a debate about the legalization of pot,
they are worried about the price, if it costs to much, people will still use there dealer down the street,
the tax man wants his money,
I guess there is going to be big jail time for someone selling with out a licence,

every once in awhile I get bored and poke around the web and look at hookers around the world legal ones working in a brothel and not so legal, ladies simply running a web site, trying to make some extra bucks,

now I could be wrong, but illegal hookers are cheaper, anything in a legal brothel is a few hundred bucks more, in some case a fucking ridiculous amount of money,
everybody needs there cut, the brothel owner, the tax man, various levels of government I would imagine are going to be cut in.

I understand from a safety point of view, and maybe the need to be legitimized the girls want this to be legal.
but just curious from a dollars and cents point of few not moral or legal,
it is going to cost more,

isn't it. if this thing ever becomes legal
it will cost more, but will the women make more, or will it just get spread around.

if someone ever figures out how to make us pay for breathing they will and the government will tax it to death,

But prostitution is legal in Canada ....

 

[JonnyBoi]

I believe it is legal here; heck I even heard from an accounting buddy that it is a recognized profession, you can even write off your boob job if you're so inclined!!

It is as illegal as the HUNDREDS of weed shops you guys have down here. Seriously, how is Trudeau still suggesting a bill if I see a shop every other block!?

 

[jamasianman]

Brothels cost more because of all the other people involved. The fancy ones with spas and drinks, they have to pay the bouncers, the manager, the servers, the ladies, what you are really paying for is the brothel experience. The name and reputation attached to the building.

Even if Canada fully legalizes it like they do in Australia or Germany, the stigma won't go away very quick. I don't see women becoming more forward with telling people what they do because of all the judgment.

If you are worried about price, build up funds now. Most likely you'll save up so much money for something that will never happen, you can use it for a good time! the reason I say it won't happen for a long time is because no politician wants to be that "guy". The one who tries to get it legalized. Not if they wanna be re-elected anytime soon.

 

[lenny]

Q1. Is prostitution a legal activity?
A1. No. The effect of Bill C-36 is to criminalize prostitution. Prostitution is a transaction that involves both the purchase and the sale of sexual services. Bill C-36’s new offence that prohibits purchasing sexual services makes the prostitution transaction illegal.

This means that purchasing sexual services is illegal and businesses that profit from the prostitution transaction are also illegal.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/c36faq/

 

[sevenofnine]

no it is not legal

and I could be wrong, but I believe the cops now are following I believe a euro model, which puts the emphasis on men,
meaning the women is the victim, and she is offered help, the man is charged.

but as far as I know the cops are taking a wait and see attitude, unless there is an underage person involved or someone is being trafficked they general don't get involved,
I think its more about being licenced then anything, the last article I read in the news. or what I understand is, the city wants there cut, as in business license massage licence or escort license,
they will leave the girl alone if she has all the appropriate paper work,, but if she doesn't

it is just interesting though
flipping through the web, I believe I saw, 200 bucks an hour for a las vegas escort, you sure as hell are not going to find that in a Nevada brothel.

 

[tehp8rkpv]

its not simply legalization that affects the price.....

Legalization is only a part of the price equation. Regulation is the other and potentially more ominous factor.

If legalization occurs without any laws requiring licencing of girls, new regulations or other factors that would obstruct a truly free market then you would expect prices to decline.

If legalization occurs with added regulation (eg Alberta ) such that girls are required to be licensed thereby losing there anonymity then you might expect prices to rise or remain the same.

 

[susi]

so.....we had legalization before....and it didn't work out....many workers died....that's why we challenged the constitutionality of the law and won...

we want decriminalization....which they do not have in germany or autralia....one province in australia has decrim....

new zealand has decriminalization...that's what we are fighting for...

it's the "nordic" model of criminalization here in Canada....as perter mackay so notoriously said..."for the first time, prostitution is illegal in canada" when the conservative dingbats imposed the new laws....

vancouver is a free zone for consenting adults due to a policy with vpd and the CoV which protects us all from enforcement, our city is refusing to enforce the new laws as the harms they will cause are well known here....."the missing and murdered women"

there are no license requirements for individual workers inside the city of vancouver. the city by-law may still have provisions for escort licensing bu the business license office are not requiring them and inspectors are not enforcing mandatory licensing or anything like that. yes parlours need licenses but enforcement against them is also based only on potential abuse or exploitation and if a minor is employed....the license for parlours is about $270 i believe...

anyway, the price in new zealand was not impacted really by decriminalization.

there will always be various levels and prices of sex work....regardless of criminality....we are basically operating in a decrim environment in vancouver and the prices have not really changed....

love susie

 

[SkinnyJohn]

Prices will go up because the CRA will come down on escorts. There will probably be mandatory receipts for accurate income tax purposes. And there will probably be mandatory license fees with regular testing check ups.

 

[zigzag6984]

I suspect the prices will ultimately stay the same, or a slight increase. The demand won't dramatically increase because the law isn't stopping most people from having a date with an SP. You aren't going to see hundreds of Johns all of a sudden give into the urge if they haven't already, all because it's technically illegal now. It's like weed here. If you're going to smoke it, you're already smoking it. The law isn't stopping you.

 

[susi]

Prices will go up because the CRA will come down on escorts. There will probably be mandatory receipts for accurate income tax purposes. And there will probably be mandatory license fees with regular testing check ups.

escorts already pay taxes....as has been discussed to death here....lol

"mandatory anything" will be bad for our industry....however, voluntary medical checks and access to occupational health and safety materials however is in line with other industries and could benefit people....

www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com ...is some work we did to develop such a strategy

there is division over mandatory medical checks....many industries have them and the argument is why shouldn't sp's as well....granted...

but again, in our experience....anything mandatory will cause harm via biased policing...

love susie

 

[sevenofnine]

I think it depends on regs,

what is allowed street walkers brothels, whether a lady is allowed to set up shop in her home. etc,

I just find the debate on pot interesting and a comparison or something to think about, what is legal pot going to look like,
we still don't know for sure, and when most knowing people says not likely next year, to much to do.

so its an interesting question what would legal prostitution look like.

someone made the comment on pot, it is about the youth vote, and a tax grab, the tax man wants his money,
so I think the costs of pot will increase,

I think if prostitution ever becomes legal it will be more about a tax grab very little to do with safety or health, physical or emotional,
yes escorts pay taxes,
but how much do they pay,
out of four hundred buck say I pay my sp, does she declare every penny, I have no receipt, if she sees five clients a day, she reports them all to the tax man.

and if its legal and in brothel a business licence is required, there is no end to bitching about the cost of a business licence in Calgary. and expenses and employees in a brothel.

and guess what every time a budget goes down, there are the increases in sin tax. smokes and booze, and gas.

I think I would prefer it to be illegal or the status quo
but I know for the women, the best thing for them would be some sort of a structured prostitution, regulated. as simple as possible, more about age, and health checks then anything,

 

[felixthecat]

I suspect the prices will ultimately stay the same, or a slight increase. The demand won't dramatically increase because the law isn't stopping most people from having a date with an SP. You aren't going to see hundreds of Johns all of a sudden give into the urge if they haven't already, all because it's technically illegal now. It's like weed here. If you're going to smoke it, you're already smoking it. The law isn't stopping you.

I agree. Same as bill C36 didn't materially change the rates, undoing it won't either. There are factors with bigger impact, like the state of the economy.

 

[lenny]

"if prostitution becomes legal, will the price go up"

Did prices go (1) up, (2) down, or (3) stay the same when, or since, buying sex went from legal to illegal in 2014?

While no one has a crystal ball into the future of things like sex work, the stock market, world domination, or life after death, if you can answer that you might have some insights regarding your query.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Canada

 

[BaconNeggs]

I doubt it will have much effect on prices.
If it does, I see them going down slightly as more join the profession and supply goes up lowering pricing.
But i doubt it will be a large price splash, just moderate at best.
With the very rare exception, prices are reasonable now.
Sure a few are asking for 900 or 1500 hour. But i doubt many are actually seeing those providers. For around 300 give or take 50 us consumers can see very wonderful women!

 

[wetnose]

Prices really just depend on supply and demand.

If they legalize it and follow with a clampdown on visiting asian providers (requiring work permits/licensing/health checks), then price will float up.

 

[morementum]

What happened in Germany is supply exploded, largely immigrant supply, and prices and what women got as their "cut" went down and pretty dramatically. Prices would likely come down but even if they stayed the same, the "take" for the women would decline through fees, management etc. that government would insist upon. Would think laws to protect safety of all involved and leaving rest as is would be best of all worlds.

 

[morementum]

I doubt it will have much effect on prices.
If it does, I see them going down slightly as more join the profession and supply goes up lowering pricing.
But i doubt it will be a large price splash, just moderate at best.
With the very rare exception, prices are reasonable now.
Sure a few are asking for 900 or 1500 hour. But i doubt many are actually seeing those providers. For around 300 give or take 50 us consumers can see very wonderful women!

You can see a lot of wonderful women for a lot less than 250 and, in fact, the "I am a bitch" factor seems to increase in Vancouver along with the price. If the service and looks improved with price, that would be one thing but in this area those two things don't seem to matter for some reason like they did in Montreal in how prices were set.

 

[MissingOne]

speculative scenario for legalized prostitution

So here's one way legalized prostitution for both seller and buyer could be implemented. Entirely speculative, of course:

- Prostitutes must be licensed.

- To obtain a license, a prospective prostitute must satisfactorily complete a course in sexual health (seems reasonable enough).

- A practicing prostitute must display her license, showing her real name, at her place of business.

- A "know your client" rule is implemented. Clients must show identification.

- Prostitutes are required to keep records of clients' names, their contact information, their visits, and the types of activities engaged in. In the case of a health issue arising, the prostitute must supply this information to health authorities, so that the clients can be located. All in the interest of protecting the public.

How many of us would be seeing licensed prostitutes under the circumstances imagined above? None of the speculation is far-fetched. It's quite in line with requirements for various other licensed professionals.

 

[mrman848]

Just look at the netherlands.
In 2011 it was 50euros for a 20min "suck and fuck" as they called it.

Cheaper than anything I could find here at that time. Of course I didn't really know where to look so all I found in google searches from about 2006 to 2015 was 300+/hour, rarely saw hh adds. And the odd ones who charged 250 or 220 /h....they looked like addicts.

I'm not a fan of this 'criminalizing' the transaction. Especially after my first 'bait and switch' experience. ....boy would I have loved to call the police and report an escort using false advertising, or operating without a license.

I'm also not some rich married guy who hires escorts for fun. I wouldn't be here if sex wasn't a need. ....everytime I think about this I get pissed off, I also wouldnt need to hire an escort if I could get a girlfriend either. But the stupid rich 1% corrupt bastards let in 20-40k extra men each year for the past 20+ years!!!! Just yo make money off immigration scams. Now there are just too many men.
So if police ever tried to sting me for hiring an escort they better be ready for paperwork. I'd chose suicide by cop rather than experience that bullshiit.