Should Agencies, pooners, etc carry Naloxone Kits

[lenny]

I don't do any drugs, either. Unless you count caffeine, testosterone, DVDs, OTC items, pumpkin pie & PERB.

Occasionally also 2nd hand smoke (tabacco, weed, crack, heroin, fentanyl, carfentanil).

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[Warl0ck]

Carfentanil is population control. It's so strong..even the smallest amount can kill a human being. It's not a recreational drug by any means. It's a weapon.

And part of the continued drug movement toward the abuse of legal products. As far as the concept goes, it's genius. Rather than purchase product from South America, spend endless hours smuggling it, you get people hooked on legal shit that can cross the border as a "pharmaceutical product". The major drug companies can shrug off any responsibility and claim "not our fault, you should look out for yourself". For the dealers, it's a case of cutting deals with legit companies. The line between gangsters with tattoos and ones with ties becomes more blurred.

I mean fuck, with a little tinkering you could import fentanyl as multi vitamins.

 

[Warl0ck]

I've been pondering this fentanyl situation for months.. as a tin foil hat wearing ex-junkie, I've come to the conclusion the reasons are much more malevolent than it simply being a cheaper product that's easier to ship..

The drug trade has already been controlled for quite some time by men in suits who (for the most part anyways) are too intelligent to touch drugs themselves.

Synthetic opiates ..oxycontin, fentanyl, methadone etc are much more addictive than heroin. Heroin withdrawal cold turkey is about a week. Synthetic opiates..a month at minimum, if you're lucky. I'm speaking from personal experience. Btw, opiate addiction is HELL.

A concept I think is genius but, at the same time, evil, is first begin lacing everything with fentanyl. Which makes every drug it's put into exponentially more addictive & mass overdoses begin.. So then money is pumped into distributing naloxone/narcan. Which, even though it does save lives, it has the effect of putting the recipient into withdrawal by knocking the opiates off the receptors. So, of course, they will just run back out and use MORE drugs.

Now here we are in 2017. All these drug users (the ones still alive at least) are hooked with addictions more powerful than humans have ever experienced. Power drunk men in suits say hmmm... now let's begin throwing even stronger drugs into the mix ie. carfentanil. Just to see how many we can kill off. Because that's just how the most powerful men in the world, the ones who actually have control over money and resources, roll.

The most dangerous gangster of all is old white money.

 

[johnsmit]

they thought I was out of line when I said they were murdering people with fentinol

But in a tin hat way of thinking why not go farther.

How much does a dose of naloxone cost to make and how much do they sell it to the government for. Plue the big surge in getting people in to rehabs and long tern programs at 30000 a pop.
Ever thought they might be in that business too..Just like Rothschild selling arms to both sides in the the wars.

Wish it were that simple but probably not.

 

[Warl0ck]

they thought I was out of line when I said they were murdering people with fentinol

But in a tin hat way of thinking why not go farther.

How much does a dose of naloxone cost to make and how much do they sell it to the government for. Plue the big surge in getting people in to rehabs and long tern programs at 30000 a pop.
Ever thought they might be in that business too..Just like Rothschild selling arms to both sides in the the wars.

Wish it were that simple but probably not.

Now you get it. You sell them the drugs. Then sell them the cure.

 

[Lo-ki]

Now you get it. You sell them the drugs. Then sell them the cure.

For sure
The seller gets rich
And WE the tax payer get poor for the cure

 

[johnsmit]

I don't want to detract from the real crisis and that people with addiction need help. Help that that they have not had ready access to befor now..and there still is a long way to go to Acctually get long term help for most people with attiction.

But the band aid they are putting on it by promoting safe injection sites and making naloxone available to any group of people at risk does not even touch on the real issues of drug traffickers and who us making the profits on all sides of this sickness in out society

 

[Damaged]

There are suspicions and I know of one person personally who felt they smoked some fentanyl laced weed. They're familiar with the effects of opiates. I can't speak personally about it because I don't smoke weed and use no drugs. I can see weaker and low quality having fentanyl added to give it the "boom" factor when you smoke it.

It's rather difficult to ascertain if pot contains fentanyl. Assuming the user doesn't OD they're not going to show up on a medical record. I find it hard to imagine it's not. The MO of a drug dealer (whether big pharma or a dude on the block) is about addiction and frequent usage. That's how they keep up a regular income stream.

Having suspicions isn't reason to make statements like it is a fact. It isn't difficult to ascertain if pot contains fentanyl, a simple chemical test will prove one way or the other. With the amount of Pot seized on a regular basis you'd think they would have a positive test if there were any truth to it.

Although you imagine it makes sense in your mind because of the addictive element it doesn't make any sense at all. Pot smokers are not looking for a fentanyl high and if that was what they got from someone's pot I highly doubt they would buy from that dealer again.

 

[escapefromstress]

Having suspicions isn't reason to make statements like it is a fact. It isn't difficult to ascertain if pot contains fentanyl, a simple chemical test will prove one way or the other. With the amount of Pot seized on a regular basis you'd think they would have a positive test if there were any truth to it.

Although you imagine it makes sense in your mind because of the addictive element it doesn't make any sense at all. Pot smokers are not looking for a fentanyl high and if that was what they got from someone's pot I highly doubt they would buy from that dealer again.

People who grow, make, buy and sell illegal drugs are often exposed to chemicals they might not be aware of. I read about one case where the parents of a baby both OD'd in their vehicle, and they found traces of fentanyl all over the baby's clothes and stuff (baby was still alive in the back seat).

There are children living in houses where meth and other drug labs are, and everything in the house is so contaminated, it has to have a special restoration crew come in to clean up and authorization from the city before the house can be considered habitable again.

People don't have to choose to consume fentanyl to ingest it accidently.

The more widespread the production and use of these drugs becomes, the more our entire society gets polluted with them. People who take these drugs, pee into the city sewer systems, and others flush drugs down the toilet.

I get my weed from a trusted friend and I doubt I'd ever buy from anyone else. Even then, I realize I'm taking a risk as he might come into contact with fentanyl and not realize it either.

 

[Damaged]

Oh & Im the one who mentioned to Warl0ck that I smoked a joint with someone months ago & felt that distinct opiate feeling.

I have no idea the source of that weed. And have only smoked my own weed, bought from dispensaries, since.

So it could have been laced with Coke or anything? Why did you guess Fentanyl?

 

[Warl0ck]

as for police testing for fentanyl in weed

1. If police seized a large amount of weed they might. It's unlikely the fentanyl would be added at that point
2. If police seize small amounts of weed they're going to toss it and not test it. Police, like all public institutions have budgets and testing = money.
3. As pointed out above, shared scales, bags, backpacks, etc could cross contaminate. Given the minute amount of fentanyl needed to OD on it's entirely possible.

 

[escapefromstress]

Marijuana dealers don't want their customers dying from overdoses, but someone somewhere will be greedy enough to sprinkle 'just a little' fentanyl on his buds to see if he gets more return customers ... and by the time the cops do test and find it, it will be too late, imo.

 

[Warl0ck]

Marijuana dealers don't want their customers dying from overdoses, but someone somewhere will be greedy enough to sprinkle 'just a little' fentanyl on his buds to see if he gets more return customers ... and by the time the cops do test and find it, it will be too late, imo.

Well like any product, it's handled by multiple people and could be exposed during any one of those stages. It could be as simple as reusing a plastic bag that stored fentanyl pills & was used for weed. It's another reason to legalize weed though.

 

[escapefromstress]

Well like any product, it's handled by multiple people and could be exposed during any one of those stages. It could be as simple as reusing a plastic bag that stored fentanyl pills & was used for weed. It's another reason to legalize weed though.

I wonder if organized crime is involved with lobbying the government to not let that happen any time soon.

 

[Lets Review]

Regarding Fentanyl and weed;
As a former grow opportunist - I got out when the Govt. started licencing - I can tell you that there's a value added product called "Shatter" that you may have heard of.
It's obtained by washing the buds with Butane and collecting the goo that drips out. It removes the "crystals" or trichomes from the leaf, without the structural damage isopropyl or other solvents cause.
The washed weed looks exactly like regular, just no crystals and the potency drops by about 60% or more. Hard to tell unless you have a loupe or really good eyes.

Douchebag dealers will sprinkle a little Fentanyl over top of their washed weed to make it sparkle again.


Side note: Strength to all Opiate addicts. It cost me everything but my life in the early 80s. You can get well again.

 

[Warl0ck]

Regarding Fentanyl and weed;
As a former grow opportunist - I got out when the Govt. started licencing - I can tell you that there's a value added product called "Shatter" that you may have heard of.
It's obtained by washing the buds with Butane and collecting the goo that drips out. It removes the "crystals" or trichomes from the leaf, without the structural damage isopropyl or other solvents cause.
The washed weed looks exactly like regular, just no crystals and the potency drops by about 60% or more. Hard to tell unless you have a loupe or really good eyes.

Douchebag dealers will sprinkle a little Fentanyl over top of their washed weed to make it sparkle again.


Side note: Strength to all Opiate addicts. It cost me everything but my life in the early 80s. You can get well again.

Yeah, heard of it. I wondered how they made that stuff. There's also "butter" or "cannabutter" if I recall? That's the one benefit of a legal cannabis trade: organic and clean weed. I've no doubt the day will come when Whole Foods will have a selection of organic weed. There are lots of reports of people OD'ing on fentanyl when they weren't even taking fentanyl. All hail the legal drug trade.

 

[chubawamba]

No body wants to die. Unfortunately, they are dealt a life that makes death seem better.

I like this.

 

[chubawamba]

Regarding Fentanyl and weed;
As a former grow opportunist - I got out when the Govt. started licencing - I can tell you that there's a value added product called "Shatter" that you may have heard of.
It's obtained by washing the buds with Butane and collecting the goo that drips out. It removes the "crystals" or trichomes from the leaf, without the structural damage isopropyl or other solvents cause.
The washed weed looks exactly like regular, just no crystals and the potency drops by about 60% or more. Hard to tell unless you have a loupe or really good eyes.

Douchebag dealers will sprinkle a little Fentanyl over top of their washed weed to make it sparkle again.


Side note: Strength to all Opiate addicts. It cost me everything but my life in the early 80s. You can get well again.

How can you sprinkle fentanyl over weed when the amount of a grain of salt can kill you?
I've seen many different forms of fentanyl, but none that sparkle.

 

[Lets Review]

I don't mess w/ Opiates, so don't know what it actually looks like. Perhaps I should have said added strength instead of sparkle.
Whatever, I believe my friend of 40 years and former partner when he says it's happening, but you're the expert...

 

[chubawamba]

I wouldn't consider myself an 'expert' and if you're trying to be rude...you've accomplished just that.
I was just trying to add to the discussion from my own personal and professional experience being around fentanyl as well as other drugs. And NO, I'm not a dealer.