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We've been having a discussion about this on terb, and I realized that many board members don't know and understand the law on this issue.


Facebook reports the BBC to the police over child abuse images investigation

Facebook was compelled to report the BBC to the UK’s National Crime Agency (NCA) after the broadcaster flagged a crowd of child abuse material to the social media platform. The content included “sexualised images of children” obtained in groups where members had conversations about exchanging explicit content featuring minors.

The BBC said it used Facebook’s “report button” to flag up 100 photos on the website but 82 were not removed, with an automated response saying they did not breach “community standards”. The BBC also said Facebook failed to remove the profiles of five convicted paedophiles.

Facebook asked the whistleblowing journalist, Angus Crawford to send over the photographs he thought were problematic. However, the BBC was surprised when Facebook reported both the images and its organisation to the UK’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP).

“When the BBC approached Facebook with its findings, Facebook agreed to an interview on the condition the BBC provided examples of the remaining material which had been deemed acceptable by Facebook’s own moderation procedure,” a BBC spokesperson said. “The BBC provided that evidence to Facebook.”

Later, Facebook said it “carefully reviewed the content” and followed “industry’s standard practice” by reporting it to the authorities. “We also reported the child exploitation images that had been shared on our own platform. This matter is now in the hands of the authorities,” Simon Milner, the social network’s director of policy clarified.

“We have carefully reviewed the content referred to us and have now removed all items that were illegal or against our standards. This content is no longer on our platform. We take this matter extremely seriously and we continue to improve our reporting and take-down measures. Facebook has been recognised as one of the best platforms on the internet for child safety,” he said.

Damian Collins, chairman of the UK’s Culture, Media and Sport Committee, criticised the fact that the BBC had been reported for authorities while working to “help clean up the network.

“I find it very disturbing, I find that content unacceptable. I think it raises the question of how can users make effective complaints to Facebook about content that is disturbing, shouldn’t be on the site, and have confidence that that will be acted upon,” he said.

Anne Longfield, the Children’s Commissioner for England, said Facebook’s behaviour was “deeply disappointing and deeply disturbing.”

“I find it hard to believe that individuals at Facebook had seen these images and made a decision that they were okay and hadn’t breached their community rules,’ she said.

“They were very explicit, they were very sexualised photos of children and some of them clearly had been taken without the children knowing.”

In a statement, Milner later said Facebook has “now removed all items that were illegal or against our standards. This content is no longer on our platform. We take this matter extremely seriously and we continue to improve our reporting and take-down measures. Facebook has been recognized as one of the best platforms on the internet for child safety.”

It was a difficult task for the BBC to emphasise that all the images it sent to Facebook were pictures it had found on its own platform that were not taken down despite reports to site moderators, and that Facebook had specifically asked for the material to be sent across.

https://www.techworm.net/2017/03/bbc-reports-send-child-abuse-images-facebook-as-proof-facebook-reports-to-police.html
 

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ABOUT ASACP

The Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP) is a non-profit organization dedicated to eliminating child exploitation from the Internet. Founded in 1996, ASACP battles child exploitation by:
  • Providing an international reporting tipline.
  • Organizing the efforts of the online adult industry to combat the crime of child sexual abuse.
  • Working with parents to prevent children from viewing age-inappropriate material online.
ASACP educates members, the online adult industry, government policy makers, and the public about child protection, illegal online activities, and the efforts of the online adult industry to battle child sexual abuse.

ASACP provides an online tipline for web surfers and webmasters to report suspected child exploitation.
  • Investigate reports and determine the ownership of suspected CE sites and forwards Red Flag reports to international government agencies and associations including the FBI and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, and International Tiplines.
  • Notify ISPs and payment processors when their hosting and billing services are hijacked by CE operators.
  • Create a Code of Ethics for our Membership program - a model of effective self-regulation for the online adult industry.
  • Establish Best Practices which are recommended for adult sites, search engines, billing and hosting companies, dating sites, adult sites and others.
  • ASACP created the RTA ("Restricted to Adults") label to better enable parental filtering and demonstrate the adult industry's commitment to help prevent children from viewing age-inappropriate content.
  • Inform members on current, new and pending laws and regulations pertaining to child exploitation and protection.

ASACP is a non-profit 501(c)(4) Social Welfare Organization.


Welcome to Cybertip.ca Canada’s tipline to report the online sexual exploitation of children.

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Posted by our new Admin on terb March 5/17

I would like to make it VERY CLEAR, that the mods and management of this review board do not condone or support the viewing of child porn or pedophilia in any manner whatsoever. Furthermore, if any member has proof that anybody they know is participating in the said activities, we strongly encourage them to contact Law enforcement immediately. The comments of the members in this thread are their opinions only and do not represent the beliefs and values of TERB management or the moderating team. It is for discussion purposes only.

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Thank you Jess! :thumb:
 

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Please feel free to post questions and comments in this thread - and any other thread I start. :)

I'm kinda puzzled by the lack of participation in some of the informational threads I post here. I don't post them for my own entertainment, I post them as conversation starters on topics that are relevant to the industry.

If there's no comments or questions on the topic of online child sexual abuse and exploitation, I guess I can assume we're all 100% in agreement.

This was the article that started some controversy on terb:

Do not jail all paedophiles, says police chief (UK Story)


Paedophiles who view indecent images but go no further should not be jailed but rehabilitated, a leading child protection police officer has said.

Police forces "cannot cope" with the "huge" rise in reports, Chief Constable Simon Bailey, of the National Police Chiefs' Council, told the BBC.

Figures show the number of child abuse reports is up by 80% in three years.

The Home Office said "viewing child abuse images is a terrible crime and should be treated as such".

Chief Constable Bailey, the head of Operation Hydrant, which is investigating multiple allegations of historic sexual abuse across the UK, said he knew his view would cause nervousness and draw headlines. But he said the numbers of reports of abuse were at "huge proportions" - an NSPCC study in late 2016 used figures which suggested the number of individuals looking at such images could exceed half a million.

'Contact cases' focus

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme about 400 people were arrested by police in conjunction with the National Crime Agency every month, for looking at indecent images. "There are undoubtedly tens of thousands of men that are seeking to exploit children online with a view to meeting them, with a view to then raping them and performing the most awful sexual abuse upon them," he said. "That's where I believe our focus has got to be. They are the individuals that pose the really significant threat."

Offenders who viewed online child abuse images should be placed on the sex offenders register, cautioned and managed in the community undergoing rehabilitation, he said. Referrals to rehabilitation "increasingly are effective", he said and not using the court system would "speed things up".

He added: "Every time an image is viewed, the victim is being victimised again and there is nothing as abhorrent. But we have to be able to manage the totality."

A Home Office spokesperson said the government had committed £20m to the National Crime Agency for specialist teams to tackle online child sexual exploitation. "Alongside ensuring we have a tough law enforcement response to bring offenders to justice, we are also committed to preventing offending in the first place," they added.The NSPCC agreed that prison sentences served a vital purpose in terms of public protection, justice, and acting as a deterrent.

But a spokesman added: "We cannot arrest our way out of the situation. If we are to protect more children we must make prevention and rehabilitation a priority."

'Not naive' to offenders

Those working in the area are already stretched.

Lisa Thornhill, is a senior practitioner at the Lucy Faithfull Foundation, which works with people who have sexually harmed or fear they may harm a child.

It offers "non-judgemental support" to help to change people's behaviour - such as a 10 week group programme, its website and Stop it Now confidential helpline.

Calls to the helpline are over capacity - about 800 people each month call, but about 2,500 calls are unable to be taken due to demand.

While the organisation was "not naive" to the fact that some sex offenders were solely motivated to access children for abuse, she said, there was "a moral responsibility to help those who want it".

Natcen research on the helpline showed the importance of support, she added. "Most people who commit these offences have some idea what they are doing is wrong," she said. "We appeal to the brave and responsible part of those people to get in touch with us and stop, and stay stopped."

Chief Constable Bailey's comments came as the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse in England and Wales (IICSA) began its full public hearings on Monday with an examination of allegations made by children in care who were sent abroad.
The wide-reaching inquiry will look at child abuse claims against local authorities, religious organisations, the armed forces and public and private institutions - as well as people in the public eye.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39112911


I get very concerned when I see guys on review boards expressing tolerance or acceptance of the behaviour of pedophiles. Some board members seem to exhibit a lot of empathy and sympathy for the perpetrators, while having little to no concern for the victims.


What to do if you see inappropriate content posted online?
  • Report problematic posts to the Mods by using the ‘Report Post’ feature available on most forums.
  • PM or email the Admin immediately and ask to have posts edited or deleted.
  • Report offending websites to Crime Stoppers, the local Police Service or one of the organizations mentioned here
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Man allegedly posing as Justin Bieber charged with more than 900 child sex crimes
The 42-year-old Australian and university law lecturer allegedly posed as Justin Bieber online to solicit explicit images from children.

By The Associated Press
Thu., March 9, 2017
BRISBANE, AUSTRALIA—A 42-year-old Australian man who allegedly posed as Justin Bieber online to solicit explicit images from children has been charged with more than 900 child sex offences, police said Thursday.

Bieber, a 23-year-old Canadian pop singer, is currently in Australia performing his “Purpose World Tour.” Police have warned young fans and their parents to be extra vigilant when using the internet.

Gordon Douglas Chalmers, a law lecturer at the Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane, was charged in November with using Facebook and Skype to impersonate the star, after tip-offs from U.S. and German authorities. Chalmers was charged with using a carriage service to procure and groom children for sex and to access child pornography. He was also charged with possessing child porn.

As a result of warrants issued in November to search his social media and messaging accounts and cloud servers, Chalmers was charged this week with another 931 child sex offences dating back a decade, including rape and making child exploitation material, a police statement said.

“The fact that so many children could believe that they were communicating with this particular celebrity highlights the need for a serious rethink about the way that we as a society educate our children about online safety,” Police Detective Inspector Jon Rouse said in a statement.

“The breadth of offences committed in this instance is frankly horrendous,” Rouse added.

Police have not said how many children had become victims or in what countries they live. But Rouse said the investigation showed “the global reach and skill that child sex offenders have to groom and seduce victims.”

Chalmers has yet to enter pleas. It is not clear how long he could spend in prison if convicted.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...ex-crimes.html
 

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I was just reading through that thread on TERB. I don't have an account on that board but will occasionally lurk in the lounge to read...

Many of the responses in that thread are disturbing :shocked: :puke:

A person who jerks off to child porn is only a small step away from actually becoming an abuser IMO.
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Posting in that thread was pretty intense! Terb is an intimidating board to post on, especially in controversial threads.


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Creep Catchers were in the news and on W5 recently. They seemed to be doing a good thing at first, but now they've gone way over the line by publicly accusing and harassing innocent people.


CBC INVESTIGATES
Creep Busters ambush of man with mental disability called 'vigilantism'
'I think it's absolutely reprehensible that this kind of thing can happen,' B.C. solicitor general says

Jaxson Jacoe is 21 going on 13.

The Burnaby man doesn't just look young. His father says he has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) that's left him developmentally delayed and mentally challenged, with a pre-teen's understanding of the world.

His family is now speaking up, saying Jacoe was humiliated and lost a job he loved after being caught up in a sting orchestrated by online groups aiming to catch sexual predators.

In late February, Jacoe decided he wanted his first girlfriend. A buddy recommended he use a dating app. Almost immediately, Jacoe was approached online by a woman going by the name Ashley. Her posted age was 19.

"She messaged me first, saying I was cute and I want to ask you out on date," recalls Jacoe. "And I responded back saying 'Thank you.'"

But Ashley had a surprise. A short time later she revealed she was actually 14.

Jacoe said that was OK.

CBC News hasn't seen the exchanges, but Jacoe says "I thought I was doing the right thing in making a friend," he says, smiling. But his smile fades as he recalls how Ashley asked him where he worked.

He wishes he'd never told her he was a part-time scorekeeper at the Planet Ice arena in Coquitlam, B.C. His eyes tear-up as he remembers what happened next.

Ambushed at work

On Feb. 20, Jacoe was ambushed outside his workplace. The confrontation was caught on camera by two men who had posed as Ashley online.

"They were harassing me, they were bullying me", he says, his voice shaking. "They just approached me and started videotaping me and I had no idea what was going on."

In the video, one man identifies himself as a member of the White Rock Creep Catchers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...tism-1.4009147



This is from a blog written by a friend of mine.

Saturday, February 18, 2017
Creep Catchers on W5 - Update

Creep Catchers are on W5 tonight at 7:00 PM. The Vice dot com reported that several stings have painted the vigilante pedophile hunters as bullies after targeting people with disabilities. CTV's W5 are asking if online pedophile hunters are 'catching' the innocent?

As I said before I think the idea behind the group is good. However, the president of the Surrey chapter is a convicted drug dealer. They've got to do criminal record checks if they want any credibility. The predatory drug dealers in Whalley are no better than the child molesters they pretend to confront. One is no better than the other. They are both bad.

After seeing a couple of stings in Surrey it just looked like a bunch of predatory drug dealers from the Surrey strip continuing their bullying into other areas on camera pretending to be heros when really they are just the same themselves. The drug dealers that sell drugs on the Whalley strip brutalize addicts and sex trade workers alike. They give the sex trade workers free drugs then take all of their money when they get a trick and demand free service from them beside the tree they dumped Janice Shore's body after sexually assaulting her and caving her head in with blunt force trauma for a drug debt. These creeps are the ultimate low lifes known to man. Them running around trying to be heros on the big screen is the epitome of hypocrisy.

CTV reported that the Surrey Creep Catchers crossed 'many lines' targeting man with disabilities. They guy they claimed was luring young girls was in a scooter. Catching people who are luring children into sex is a good thing but we have to look at who is really luring who.

CTV's W5 is reporting that "a W5 investigation of the largest vigilante network, the Creep Catchers, has found their cameras often don’t tell the whole story. Cases with truly horrifying chats have been lumped in with chats that show no evidence of any sexual intent. And the nationwide network’s enormous online audience isn’t told the difference." Some advocates think they may be motivated less by a pursuit of justice as a pursuit of fame and social media reach, which can lead to money. Not all chapters of Creep Catchers are drug dealers. The Surrey chapter is. That needs to be addressed. God damn the pusher man.

Update: Wow. I saw a clip from the W5 episode. The Edmonton chapter president went to a troubled young woman's house and posted a video of him shaming her at her house and she ended up committing suicide. That was horrific. He lured her. The fact that they reposted the video in their top ten catches shows that they are messed up.

W5 reviewed a chat log in another case and found no sexual content. The young man said he was offering help to a teenager who said he was growing up gay in rural Alberta. The chat logs show the pair is meeting “just as friends.” If you have money to burn, donate it somewhere else.

In Calgary Dawson Raymond defamed and targeted a 23 year old man who met an 18 year old girl. The Creep Catchers are just like the drug dealers outside the Front Room on the Whalley strip. If you don't help them give someone the boots, they will give you the boots. They targeted a woman in Red Deer Alberta simply because she spoke out against them.

The Creep Catchers need to be charged in the death of Katelynn McKnight.

https://gangstersout.blogspot.ca/201...ers-on-w5.html
 

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A Canadian Senator who crossed the line:

Don Meredith tried to censor Senate report on relationship with teen
Ethics officer Lyse Ricard refused Meredith’s request to keep secret lurid details of two-year affair, beginning when girl was 16.

Sen. Don Meredith tried to keep secret the lurid details of his affair with a teenage girl, Senate ethics documents reveal.

“The publication of the report would put all parties at risk of serious emotional and other harm,” Meredith wrote in a letter to the Senate investigator one week ago. “Publication would also harm the institution of the Senate.”

Lyse Ricard, the Senate ethics officer, refused his request and the report was published late Thursday. A few days before sending the letter, Meredith had also attempted through his lawyer to censor the damning report, saying it would breach his privacy and that of the woman with whom he had the relationship.

A Pentecostal minister who was appointed to the Senate in 2010, Meredith was the focus of a Star investigation in 2015 over a two-year sexual relationship with a young woman that began in 2013, when she was 16 and he was 48. Ricard’s investigation found that Meredith violated “the highest standards of dignity” of the Canadian Senate when he “lured” the girl into a sexual relationship, despite how “vulnerable” she was due to her age.

The report as published first takes the reader through the challenges Ricard faced. Meredith objected to the probe, questioning whether Senate ethics rules covered the allegations, and saying whatever he did with the teen was on personal time. But Ricard determined that the code of conduct applies broadly and that a senator must uphold the highest standards in both public and private life.

Then came the police. After Ricard first interviewed the complainant (called “Ms. M” in the report), she determined that the case might be criminal and passed the file to the Ottawa police in September 2015. The police later closed the file because the woman was concerned that her identity would be released through a court proceeding and decided not to give a statement to police.

Ricard took up the case again. She promised Ms. M confidentiality and interviewed her twice, and Meredith twice. Meredith had no texts or emails, saying he had deleted them all. Ms. M provided a series of texts, emails and electronic correspondence from Skype and Viber. Meredith’s government cellphone records also showed multiple calls to her number.

Ricard concluded that Ms. M was more credible.

The report describes how a meeting at a church function in 2013 led to a full-blown sexual relationship. At first, there were flirtatious chats. Then Meredith asked the teen to send naked or partially naked photos of herself. At times, they used Skype or Viber to have video sex. Meredith was either in his taxpayer-paid suite at the Chateau Laurier in Ottawa, in his church office at the GTA Faith Alliance north of Toronto, or in his home office in the Toronto area.

The report goes into great detail about the intimate relationship, stating that Meredith would masturbate while looking at the girl on a screen.
As for their sexual play, the report says Meredith told her “this is what adults do.” During their two-year liason, she called him “uncle” or “daddy.” He called her “daughter,” which Meredith, when interviewed, told Ricard was a “running joke” between them. On one occasion, Meredith introduced her to his wife and daughter.

Early on in their relationship, he invited the teen to his hotel room and promised he would “only take off his socks,” the report says. That encounter ended up as just dinner at a restaurant. Later, she did visit his room. There, he would fondle her. His pants would be down, her top would be off. They had intercourse once before she turned 18 and twice after, the report states. She was a virgin when she met Meredith, and the report notes that Meredith, in a Viber message exchange, told her “no rush baby, no rush.”

Their liasons typically involved dinner, with intimate times at either his hotel room or her apartment. On one occasion, the report says, she returned to his Chateau Laurier room to collect some takeout food after a sexual encounter and Meredith flew into a rage — angry, he said, because somebody might see her. “I am a student and food means a great deal to me,” she told Meredith in a text.

The report notes that Meredith wanted Ricard to prepare two reports, private and public, leaving out most of the detail from the public report. Ricard determined that her report had to tell the full story because the “details are essential to understanding the narrative” and because of the “need to promote public confidence in the fact-finding process.”

While questioning him, the Senate officer told Meredith that Ms. M alleged the senator said he “could introduce (her) to people in the future.” Meredith said he did not recall this, but told Ricard he is always looking out for “how we can help to promote our young people.”



https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...with-teen.html
 

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rehabilitation? That's like telling gay people to oppress their feelings, or pray away your gayness. There is no cure for pedophilia, and violent child rapists, they need to be executed...that is my opinion.
 

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rehabilitation? That's like telling gay people to oppress their feelings, or pray away your gayness. There is no cure for pedophilia, and violent child rapists, they need to be executed...that is my opinion.
I have pretty strong feelings about pedo's too, and I can't keep quiet when I see people sympathizing and empathizing with them, especially on industry forums.

There's another questionable thread on terb right now, glorifying female sexual predators and rating their hotness level. It's not responsible to post like that on escort review boards.

There are two topics that will draw the critical attention of Law Enforcement and Government Agencies:

1. Evidence of the Trafficking of sex workers in advertising, reviews or forum discussions.

2. Evidence of the online sexual abuse and exploitation of children and underage teens, and any content that promotes the abuse and exploitation.

President of Surrey Creep Catchers being sued for defamation

The president of the Surrey Creep Catchers, a group that claims to expose people they allege are child sexual predators, is being sued for defamation.

According to court documents, the plaintiff alleges that Ryan LaForge published “defamatory words to the effect of indicating that the Plaintiff was involved in a scheme to procure sexual relations with an under-aged female” on Facebook last month.

The Plaintiff said he has been “subjected to ridicule, hatred and contempt and has suffered damages to his reputation personally and in the way of his business.”

The Plaintiff claimed LaForge published the Facebook post, which had been viewed more than 56,000 times, with “careless disregard as to whether it was true or not.”

None of the allegations have been proven in court.

The notice of civil claim came less than a month after B.C.’s privacy watchdog launched an investigation into Surrey Creep Catchers following a complaint from a member of the public.

Creep Catchers is a loose collection of organizations across Canada that claim to expose people they allege are child sexual predators by posing online as minors before meeting in person to film and berate their targets.

The group claims to have outed several people, including a Surrey RCMP officer and a Mission elementary school principal.

Law enforcement officials across Canada have repeatedly expressed concern about the groups, warning the public that confronting alleged child predators could put people in danger and compromise police investigations.

Video here: http://globalnews.ca/news/3303662/president-of-surrey-creep-catchers-being-sued-for-defamation/
 

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rehabilitation? That's like telling gay people to oppress their feelings, or pray away your gayness. There is no cure for pedophilia, and violent child rapists, they need to be executed...that is my opinion.
Gay people have been executed throughout history, and in some places even to this day, just for being Gay. It is clearly morally wrong in my opinion, and I believe large majority of people also believe this is morally wrong. So what does it mean when you use this to bring up the issue of pedophilia, something you believe can't be changed either. Is execution morally right?

Another issue is putting pedophilia and violent child rapists in the same sentence and say they should all be executed. Are they the same? Clearly by definition a child rapist is a pedophile, but are all pedophile violent child rapist? I heard on CBC radio a few days ago, according to some studies, the vast majority of pedophiles never act out their desires. Should they be treated the same way as someone who actively pursue children? These are serious issues to consider.

What about someone who likes to age play and pretend they are a young person, can he/she be considered an accessory to a crime?

We all want to protect our children, we just need to find solutions that are real solutions.
 

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I know I shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but I have seen pictures of the surrey creep catchers in the newspapers. I would never hire them as my babysitter.
 

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I know I shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but I have seen pictures of the surrey creep catchers in the newspapers. I would never hire them as my babysitter.
Yes, but sometimes the predators seem more respectable than those who are trying to stop them. Senator, judges, teachers, lawyers, doctors, etc, can all be pedo's and you'd never know it until they get caught.
 

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Yes, but sometimes the predators seem more respectable than those who are trying to stop them. Senator, judges, teachers, lawyers, doctors, etc, can all be pedo's and you'd never know it until they get caught.
Very true, the predators that blend in and look respectable, and in position of authority are the most dangerous.

To be fair, I wouldn't trust any senators, judges, teachers, lawyers, doctors, that want to be a babysitter for a side job either.
 
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I know I shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but I have seen pictures of the surrey creep catchers in the newspapers. I would never hire them as my babysitter.
The leader of the SCC has a lengthy criminal record as per BC Courts Online. W5 did some a show on them a while back. The implication from W5 seems to be that SCC was more about using these tactics as a means of making an income by selling merchandise. The evidence they gather isn't admissible in court so in effect they just 'scare' these alleged pedo's. And sometimes they are wrong.

I suspect this group will fall apart in the next 18 months as they discover the "real law".
 

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As I said before I think the idea behind the group is good. However, the president of the Surrey chapter is a convicted drug dealer. They've got to do criminal record checks if they want any credibility. The predatory drug dealers in Whalley are no better than the child molesters they pretend to confront. One is no better than the other. They are both bad.

After seeing a couple of stings in Surrey it just looked like a bunch of predatory drug dealers from the Surrey strip continuing their bullying into other areas on camera pretending to be heros when really they are just the same themselves. The drug dealers that sell drugs on the Whalley strip brutalize addicts and sex trade workers alike. They give the sex trade workers free drugs then take all of their money when they get a trick and demand free service from them beside the tree they dumped Janice Shore's body after sexually assaulting her and caving her head in with blunt force trauma for a drug debt. These creeps are the ultimate low lifes known to man. Them running around trying to be heros on the big screen is the epitome of hypocrisy.
https://gangstersout.blogspot.ca/201...ers-on-w5.html
The leader of the SCC has a lengthy criminal record as per BC Courts Online. W5 did some a show on them a while back. The implication from W5 seems to be that SCC was more about using these tactics as a means of making an income by selling merchandise. The evidence they gather isn't admissible in court so in effect they just 'scare' these alleged pedo's. And sometimes they are wrong.

I suspect this group will fall apart in the next 18 months as they discover the "real law".
The hypocrisy of using and abusing sex workers for their own gain, then pretending to be rescuing victims of sex crimes is gross.
 
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rehabilitation? That's like telling gay people to oppress their feelings, or pray away your gayness. There is no cure for pedophilia, and violent child rapists, they need to be executed...that is my opinion.
I agree that pedophilia is a sexuality more than a disease. It's a tough conundrum to be in when it comes to pedophiles that haven't offended. On one hand it's possible they may resist their urges and not hurt a child. The argument is we should leave them alone. But would we say the same thing about an ISIS supporter? Not likely. There are organizations like the North American Man Boy Love Association who feels that relationships between young males and older males are perfectly fine. And, constitution aside, it's pretty much impractical to monitor them all. I do believe in a public sex offender registry though. I think that a civilian with kids should have the right to know that a convicted pedophile lives near them.

There are several prominent Twitter accounts where males argue vociferously for the rights of pedophiles. They seem to believe that defending pedo's claiming "we won't harm your children" is somehow something the general public is going to buy. Of course they do it hidden behind a Tor connection. My own personal thoughts are that harming a child is the most heinous of crimes and should be dealt with swiftly and harshly. That includes something as simple as taking pictures of kids at playgrounds (because they do that shit).
 

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I agree that pedophilia is a sexuality more than a disease. It's a tough conundrum to be in when it comes to pedophiles that haven't offended. On one hand it's possible they may resist their urges and not hurt a child. The argument is we should leave them alone. But would we say the same thing about an ISIS supporter? Not likely...
What exactly should we do with an ISIS supporter that doesn't join them, doesn't send them money, doesn't tell others how great they are, and doesn't even read ISIS material because they know it is wrong?
 

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Laws in Canada

Illegal Pictures and Videos
Child Pornography: includes naked or semi-naked sexual picture or video of a person under 18, or of a person under 18 engaging in a sex act. It is illegal to view, keep, send, post or take such pictures or videos.

Acts that Violate Privacy

Non-Consensual Distribution of an Intimate Image: if someone has a sexual/intimate picture/video of you that was created in private circumstances, and that person knowingly posts it online or shares it with someone else knowing that you would not consent to that (or being reckless about whether you would consent to it), the person could be charged.

Voyeurism: secretly observing or recording a person who reasonably believes his/her actions are private and:
who is in a place where the person might be expected to change or remove clothing (e.g. bedroom, bathroom, change room, cabin, tent);
who is all or partially naked or engaged in sexual activity at the time; or
where the recording is done for sexual reasons.

Unwanted or Illegal Sexual Contact

Online Luring: a situation where one person (typically an adult but not always) communicates with a young person through technology (like texting, instant messaging, emailing) to make it easier to commit a specific sexual offence against that young person. An example of a communication that could qualify as online luring is if the person asks, hints at or tries to convince the young person to create or send naked or semi-naked sexual pictures or videos.

Making Sexually Explicit Material Available to a Person under 18: showing or sending material like pornography to a child to make it easier to commit a sexual offence against the child.

Sexual Exploitation: When a 16- or 17-year-old is touched by or encouraged to touch themselves or any other person for a sexual purpose by a person who is:
  • in a position of trust or authority (e.g. parent, guardian, teacher, coach) over the young person
  • a person upon whom the 16 or 17 year old is dependent in some way
  • exploiting the young person in some way
Invitation to Sexual Touching: encouraging a person under 16 to touch themselves or someone else for a sexual purpose (whether in person or online). It includes indirect touching (with an object, for example). When both people are close enough in age AND have lawfully consented, charges may not be laid.
 
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What exactly should we do with an ISIS supporter that doesn't join them, doesn't send them money, doesn't tell others how great they are, and doesn't even read ISIS material because they know it is wrong?
Good question. That's my point on the topic of pedophiles. You can't arrest someone based on their desires of fantasizes. The ISIS supporter would likely be put under surveillance (digital) whether it was legal or not. Question is how many people would care that it's probably not constitutionally legal?
 
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