When Being Reviewed is NOT a Choice
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Nope, permission was granted.
Many years ago I met a couple who were married and she was an SP. Her husband was completely fine with it all and he personally handled much of her communication, beauty appointments, travel, security, etc. She was an upscale escort and tended to do longer sessions or overnights. Not that common but it happens.
I don't do it now though. The only involvement I have is teaching my SO her how to sync things & back up her phone. Truth is I really don't want access. I live by my phone and I am required to have it on me ALL the time. So I hate it. Well the only phone I hate more than my OWN phone is HER phone because she's frequently on it replying to messages usually when I'm talking to her. I have to do the same when I get "red team" calls. It's just business but in a perfect world I would have no phone at all.
Some would call that creepy.
There are a lot of dubious claims in this thread.
Yes, if permission wasn't granted, it would be creepy.
Warl0ck has strict professional codes of ethics he has to abide by.
I don't know how much my opinion is worth to perb members, but I will personally vouch for Warl0ck's integrity and motives for posting here. He's not some evil enemy to be feared. He probably intimidates a lot of people due to his knowledge and skills sets, but he is not an enemy of perb.
Wow, that is horribly indiscreet. Why did you read her messages? What was the point? This makes us all look really bad, and frankly could even be dangerous for us (if potential clients think that we are regularly letting some dude read their PRIVATE messages to us, they will be less likely to give us the important information that we need for our own screening!!)
I just want to publicly announce that of the probably 50 or so escorts I've met, NONE of them has ever talked about letting some guy go through their private contacts!!!!! This is NOT even moderately common. Professional, reputable escorts with even a modicum of respect for their clients would never do this!!
In my opinion this is INCREDIBLY UNPROFESSIONAL on her part. I really don't want clients here getting the idea that when they send private correspondences to an upscale provider, that they are actually talking to the lady's HUSBAND! Jesus, that's so wrong on so many levels, I can't believe it.
You've never given an old phone to Rape Relief, Salvation Army, etc? If the SIM and SD Card haven't been removed, there is a lot of information left behind. The phones have to be checked and any information removed before they are passed on.
What's the difference between an Agency, Booking Agent or a Husband? All have access to the SP's client information.
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Depending on circumstances I would reply for her if/when she requested it. For your own edification part of my job is protecting data so I'm privy to a lot of private information. Did you give thought that maybe because I do this for a living she felt comfortable having me reply to the occasional email that asked about rates, etc.
Now I'll speak professionally as a cyber security analyst. The weakest point (non human) in the ecosystem is the mobile phone. If you've ever used your phone on free wireless or at home on wireless you've put yourself in a very vulnerable situation. Do you use email? Do you run Two factor authentication? Is your phone completely encrypted with a difficult password? Do you connect your phone to your computer & if so how secure is the computer? Those are much higher risk vectors than a partner who answers the text "her rates are..."
FYI that was a long time ago too, 7+ years. The reason the phones are still here is because recycling them PUT that data at risk. It's commonplace for hackers to go to a used store or a recycle place and pick up old phones to test things, extract data, etc. I wasn't willing to allow data to fall into other people's hands. If you venture to the PSA take note that I educate people on cyber security. I protect data. And I'm going to be the last guy to share any of it. Trust me.
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PS. Soaking a phone does not delete the data Emmy. It only destroys the screen. In older phones, especially Android, even wiping the phone often meant you could easily reconstruct data. I've personally did it. If you want to end your phone you do 1 of two things
1. burn it
2. Pulverize it.
And, are you actually advocating that handing over data to an "agency" clerk is safer than handing over data to a trained cyber security analyst?
RULE 1: Assuming nothing is private and will be read by others.
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FYI
The simplest way to wipe your Android device is to perform a factory reset. However, this often only clears data at the application level, and other information such as SMS and chat messages can be restored with some standard data recovery tools.
Source: https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-wipe-your-phone-or-tablet-before-selling/
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Simply restoring a phone to its factory settings won’t completely clear it of data. Even if you use the built-in tools to wipe it, when you go to sell your phone on Craigslist you may be selling all sorts of things along with it that are far more valuable — your name, birth date, Social Security number and home address, for example. You may inadvertently sell your old photos, nudes and all. The bottom line is, the stuff you thought you had gotten rid of is still there, if someone knows how to look.
“There are always artifacts left behind,” explains Lee Reiber, who runs mobile forensics for AccessData.
One of the deleted photos recovered from the SD card in the Motorola Droid.
We wanted to see what kind of data was lurking on our devices, so we rounded up every old phone we could scrounge up from around the office and asked the owners to wipe them. Our stash consisted of two iPhone 3G models, two Motorola Droids, an LG Dare and an LG Optimus. (We had hoped for a BlackBerry, but nobody had one.) Then, we shipped the phones to Reiber, who examined them to see what he could salvage from the phones’ memory. Reiber and AccessData use customized hardware and software to retrieve data. But it also sells a rig that will let anyone do the same, and phone forensics are increasingly commonplace. Courts can certainly get the data from your phone, and with the right gear, bad guys can too. So what did we find? The results ranged from not much to quite a lot.
https://www.wired.com/2013/04/smartphone-data-trail/
And on that subject, have you ever rented a car and plugged in your phone via cable or bluetooth to the rent? Another security breach.
Rental companies continually upgrade their fleets with newer-model cars, which means many now have the latest infotainment systems, which let you connect, or "pair," your smartphone via Bluetooth with the car. This lets you take calls over the car's audio system, dial from the center console, get directions or stream your music. Others include a USB connection so you can do all that and charge your phone.
When you connect your gadget to a car with Bluetooth, the car stores your phone number to make it easier to connect later. It also stores your call logs, including any contacts you dialed. Just one problem: All that information is saved inside the system and just sitting around for the next renter to find.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...5/07/03/komando-car-rental-mistakes/29614165/
The simplest way to wipe your Android device is to perform a factory reset. However, this often only clears data at the application level, and other information such as SMS and chat messages can be restored with some standard data recovery tools.
Source: https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-wipe-your-phone-or-tablet-before-selling/
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Simply restoring a phone to its factory settings won’t completely clear it of data. Even if you use the built-in tools to wipe it, when you go to sell your phone on Craigslist you may be selling all sorts of things along with it that are far more valuable — your name, birth date, Social Security number and home address, for example. You may inadvertently sell your old photos, nudes and all. The bottom line is, the stuff you thought you had gotten rid of is still there, if someone knows how to look.
“There are always artifacts left behind,” explains Lee Reiber, who runs mobile forensics for AccessData.
One of the deleted photos recovered from the SD card in the Motorola Droid.
We wanted to see what kind of data was lurking on our devices, so we rounded up every old phone we could scrounge up from around the office and asked the owners to wipe them. Our stash consisted of two iPhone 3G models, two Motorola Droids, an LG Dare and an LG Optimus. (We had hoped for a BlackBerry, but nobody had one.) Then, we shipped the phones to Reiber, who examined them to see what he could salvage from the phones’ memory. Reiber and AccessData use customized hardware and software to retrieve data. But it also sells a rig that will let anyone do the same, and phone forensics are increasingly commonplace. Courts can certainly get the data from your phone, and with the right gear, bad guys can too. So what did we find? The results ranged from not much to quite a lot.
https://www.wired.com/2013/04/smartphone-data-trail/
And on that subject, have you ever rented a car and plugged in your phone via cable or bluetooth to the rent? Another security breach.
Rental companies continually upgrade their fleets with newer-model cars, which means many now have the latest infotainment systems, which let you connect, or "pair," your smartphone via Bluetooth with the car. This lets you take calls over the car's audio system, dial from the center console, get directions or stream your music. Others include a USB connection so you can do all that and charge your phone.
When you connect your gadget to a car with Bluetooth, the car stores your phone number to make it easier to connect later. It also stores your call logs, including any contacts you dialed. Just one problem: All that information is saved inside the system and just sitting around for the next renter to find.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...5/07/03/komando-car-rental-mistakes/29614165/
Actually, some time back, an SP posted something very similar. Quite frankly, while I wasn't particularly surprised that it happens, I was surprised that someone would admit it publicly. I agree that it's a rather blatant breach of discretion. Handing a phone over to an unrelated third party and supposedly giving permission to allow an admitted hacker to attempt to data mine said phone...? Head shakingly ridiculous, in my opinion.
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It's reassuring to hear Emmy.
I can relate. I remember the feeling the first time I was contacting an independent (allegedly), only to find there was also a man reading my messages. It did feel like a breach of trust.
It affected the future introductions and the information I'd volunteer. If some SPs don't understand privacy, it affects safety of others too.
Any professionals who deal with private data (lawyers, doctors, ...) are not supposed to share the info with outsiders (family included). Is it hard to understand we talk about sensitive information here, and the standards should be similar?
On another note, oversharing with SO is a dangerous move. It's the person who can hurt the SP most. I recall multiple stories from advertisers here who were hurt by their exes. Even if she believes they'd live happily ever after. If one wants to be an independent woman, why give somebody control of her business.
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