When Being Reviewed is NOT a Choice

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lenny

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IMO highly explicit reviews are dehumanizing. Perb isn't perfect..but it's a much better environment than TER.
I'm wondering why a "highly explcit" review must necessarily be dehumanizing.

Can't a moderately explicit or vague review be either dehumanizing or not? Why would a "highly explicit" one have to be any different?

Doesn't it [whether or not a review is dehumanizing] depend entirely on the quality of the content of the review rather than its length or detail?

Doesn't it have nothing to do with the type of services rendered - whether plumber, cuddler, or sex worker - and everything to do with the review itself?

I'd suggest that a review of a plumber, lawyer or massagist, [or any other work that provides services] may be dehumanizing. Or not.
 
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Being a nympho of another gender, there was a time when i would have loved to be a sex worker. Albeit not to male clients, although i may have (mostly by accident) been with a few ladyboys. I enjoy AC/DC, though Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap could be my favorite.
Well the offer stands for me to be your first male client. How do you feel about "cowGIRL" on a Harley Davidson Fat Boy?

PS. It's got ape hangers..and I want you to hold on for the ride. #GiddyUp

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Caramel

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I tend to agree with Lance a lot for the most part, and left quotes for parts that stood out to me the most.





You've got to kid yourself if you don't think there's a good amount of misogyny on PERB. Just because TER is a cesspool for it, shouldn't make us any better. I think most reviewers (not all) prefer to remain anonymous on the boards to providers if at all possible (personally I do) as a means of 'protecting' themselves.

To add to Lance alot's comments; I think DNR is a bit ridiculous. This industry is unregulated. If you aren't able to provide the same service as indicated in a review, maybe that person will post a negative review. In the long run it will work itself out, especially if the lady in question isn't a newbie. But IMO it's the lady's job to communicate that to customers. Clients should understand (although not always the case) that services provided are given by the lady and not some perbert online who thinks too highly of himself. I do agree that graphic reviews are a nuisance to the SP but I think that's part of the risk and work that carries with being in the biz.

lmfao, what if some clients are dirty or covered in herpes?
 
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@Lenny

I just called my SO #MissHunter and asked her how she felt about this (we're open like that). She's actually stoked about it and would like to take part. So how do you feel about a threesome? #SoundsDelicious
 

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lmfao, what if some clients are dirty or covered in herpes?
She's free to turn down the client. He's free to leave a bad review. If the lady is good at her job the bad review will not leave a dent. We've seen a number of posters who leave mediocre reviews (or even glowing reviews) that can't be taken at face value.

But IMO it's the lady's job to communicate that to customers. Clients should understand (although not always the case) that services provided are given by the lady and not some perbert online who thinks too highly of himself. I do agree that graphic reviews are a nuisance to the SP but I think that's part of the risk and work that carries with being in the biz.
 

lenny

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I tend to agree with Lance a lot for the most part, and left quotes for parts that stood out to me the most.
Likewise. That was a well thought out post by Sir Lance alot. BTW I wonder how King Arthur feels about the topic.


To add to Lance alot's comments; I think DNR is a bit ridiculous. This industry is unregulated. If you aren't able to provide the same service as indicated in a review, maybe that person will post a negative review. In the long run it will work itself out, especially if the lady in question isn't a newbie. But IMO it's the lady's job to communicate that to customers. Clients should understand (although not always the case) that services provided are given by the lady and not some perbert online who thinks too highly of himself. I do agree that graphic reviews are a nuisance to the SP but I think that's part of the risk and work that carries with being in the biz.
I would emphasize the point about clients understanding that their mileage may vary from what they read in a review. The SP is not obligated to provide the same services or experience to every customer. Caramel mentioned the example of active visible herpes sores. The Urban Dictionary example is that of a donator who the SP percieves as good looking, though perhaps women are more influenced by inner qualities [personality, sensitivity, sense of humour, etc] rather than how hot or handsome a guy is:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ymmv

"Trixie pointed out to her client, "YMMV, Rodney, seeing as you just blew your load after shaking my hand" "
 

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I bet many services wish for a Do Not Review list on all websites.
From bad hotels and restaurants, to Car dealers and hairstylists.
Maybe Yelp, Dealer rater, and Trip Advisor can start up a DNR list to.

Yes it is that ridiculous.
If reading a review bothers them.
Then don't come here and internationally read your reviews.
 

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Well the offer stands for me to be your first male client. How do you feel about "cowGIRL" on a Harley Davidson Fat Boy?

PS. It's got ape hangers..and I want you to hold on for the ride. #GiddyUp

@Lenny

I just called my SO #MissHunter and asked her how she felt about this (we're open like that). She's actually stoked about it and would like to take part. So how do you feel about a threesome? #SoundsDelicious
Hun, you forgot to mention to Lenny that we both have big dicks ;)
I think this borders on harassment. Lenny has been civil in his replies to this thread and you two are ganging up and wanting to fuck him when he clearly isn't interested. If a couple of guys on this review board did the same to a Massage SP who wasn't interested would you be fine with it?
 

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I bet many services wish for a Do Not Review list on all websites.
From bad hotels and restaurants, to Car dealers and hairstylists.
Maybe Yelp, Dealer rater, and Trip Advisor can start up a DNR list to.

Yes it is that ridiculous.
If reading a review bothers them.
Then don't come here and internationally read your reviews.
Couldn't agree more.
 

SeekSteadyRegSP

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Although sex workers disagree as to the effectiveness of review boards... the most disconcerting part of the story remains the inability of sex workers to freely choose whether or not to be reviewed.


You and far too many other women in this line of work just don't recognize or consider that reviews comprise so very much of what drives the male (BIG head) as he makes decisions and establishes priorities toward his next encounter with a working girl.

It isn't about the deeply-personal (data) bits, and whether or not he tickled any of them with his tongue... it's about your individual details circulating out there (while letting YOU continue to steer the rudder of your own anonymity in this business)... so that X percent of the next Y men will reliably take interest in your individuality in the way of wanting to purchase Z hours of your time and company.

You need only go to a bar to figure out that any woman... under a certain age... with any of various hair colors... and with discernible breasts will get her share of male interest and attention. But she's THERE... at the bar... and the random SP is at home, behind the internet anonymity...

SO anytime anyone is circulating particulars about what makes HER unique into the waters of the rest of the anonymous internet, it enhances the probability that the phone will ring sooner, vs. later.



If you want to exercise that (very reasonable) choice to not be reviewed, you are only taking steps to return yourself to that long-ago scenario where the only alternative to standing out there at curbside late at night was a dark silhouette against a yellow backdrop in the phone book.


Sex workers who "disagree as to the effectiveness of review boards" simply DO NOT get it...


I really can appreciate one's wish not to have the bare details of her random pay-for-play dates scrolled all over the internet, but to not be represented AT ALL on a review board is only reducing your presence in the awareness of the clientele by whom you pretend to want to be noticed.

And I know in advance that you're likely to point out that you could sit in a trench coat in the lobby of any of Vancouver's finest hotels and garner some social approaches... but everyone knows that.


It is only common sense that you keep your image as prominent at your local review board as you can... and whether the means for that is through various reviews you permit, or your own personal thread on which you list your favorite recipes for Dim Sum (over and over and OVER again) is NOT as important as you might think.


If you start a thread on which you talk only about Hockey... eventually some guy will book time with you based on your favorite team, or a team you wrote of hating... and that is OK.


Those extra-detailed reviews aren't that important... nobody is comparing your, uh, physical depth to that of the next girl... but the review authenticates you in plenty of ways, and it might be the random mention of your having (the most awesome elbows) which causes some dude to start seeing you next week and maintaining a looooooooooong-term business relationship with you.


So it would be nice if one could at least sense in the women here an awareness of the importance of detail in whatever image is created of you at boards such as this.


If more of the ladies here would focus mainly on just being themselves and less on wondering if they, as 6' 2" natural blonds, need to focus more on somehow passing themselves off as petite Asians in order to garner more attention from would-be clients, then the whole board would be discernibly better in the eyes of even the women presently inclined to "disagree" about the effectiveness of online review boards.


bottom line: Just be yourself (but if you hide her completely beneath a burlap sack, the phone won't ring as often as it would if you at least hinted to everybody just WHO she is )
 
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Warl0ck

Very well said and I couldn't agree with you more. I don't think lawyers, doctors, accountants, dentists etc. have any opportunity for DNR status. I fail to see what is so special about the world's oldest profession that they should get a free pass. You have chosen your profession and all the good and bad that goes with it. Live with the reviews and live or die on your reputation as a professional.
I probably will regret this but I have to chime in.

Fundamentally, I think reviews are a good idea, in theory. Yeah, I'm a professional and people have the right to rate me (or you). And, at least in my case, they probably see me as nothing more than a witch doctor with some magic spell to defend their security. They are free to critique me.

But sex work is different. You're dealing with a physically weaker sex who is giving her body in an intimate setting over to a stranger. A stranger she doesn't know. And too often a stranger that may not possess the capacity to understand what her fears are. He may well want things she cannot provide & demand his needs be met. Or, he might well not realize he is in fact "creepy" and makes the woman uncomfortable. So, she simply can't offer the services to him she can to you because you're a pooner with a history. Only that pooner may well feel "ripped off" because she read in your review she gave you a BBBJ but denied it to him. So suddenly the date doesn't meet his expectation.

When's the last time you ever saw a pooner reflect on his own actions during a date? Ever seen a pooner say "golly, maybe it was me?". I'm a big surly looking dude and if i take out my GF for dinner, I get a lot more mileage at the restaurant by being polite and respectful than I would if I lifted up the server by the neck and said "get me my beer you stupid cunt".
 

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I probably will regret this but I have to chime in.

Fundamentally, I think reviews are a good idea, in theory. Yeah, I'm a professional and people have the right to rate me (or you). And, at least in my case, they probably see me as nothing more than a witch doctor with some magic spell to defend their security. They are free to critique me.

But sex work is different. You're dealing with a physically weaker sex who is giving her body in an intimate setting over to a stranger. A stranger she doesn't know. And too often a stranger that may not possess the capacity to understand what her fears are. He may well want things she cannot provide & demand his needs be met. Or, he might well not realize he is in fact "creepy" and makes the woman uncomfortable. So, she simply can't offer the services to him she can to you because you're a pooner with a history. Only that pooner may well feel "ripped off" because she read in your review she gave you a BBBJ but denied it to him. So suddenly the date doesn't meet his expectation.

When's the last time you ever saw a pooner reflect on his own actions during a date? Ever seen a pooner say "golly, maybe it was me?". I'm a big surly looking dude and if i take out my GF for dinner, I get a lot more mileage at the restaurant by being polite and respectful than I would if I lifted up the server by the neck and said "get me my beer you stupid cunt".
Problem with no reviews is that guys want to know the SP is real. So, go with one of the advertisers if you feel like going through their screening - or - go with a lady that has been reviewed. I am not going to an AMP or Mini Brothel. I am not going to a house or apartment to see an SP that hasn't been reviewed. I used to think that women that participate in the forum were a safer bet. But, Misty Moonlight demonstrated how wrong an idea that is.

That's why I use SA to seek willing women. Even then, you can get into sketchy situations. But an "owned" woman that has no choice about who she sees or what she does IS a sketchy situation. Too many of the women on Leo's List, Craig's list and Backpage are a sketchy situation.

Some "Bad" reviews are transparently attacks. So, the SP is confirmed as real. Is confirmed as probably only offering "safe" play and worth considering if it's one of the pooners that demands "value" in price and service that is attacking. Other "Good" reviews are obviously written by the SP herself or her Pimp. So, sketchy and not worth considering. Then there are the reviews that confirm that the SP doesn't play safe. So, sketchy and not worth considering.
 

lenny

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If you start a thread on which you talk only about Hockey... eventually some guy will book time with you based on your favorite team, or a team you wrote of hating... and that is OK.

Those extra-detailed reviews aren't that important... nobody is comparing your, uh, physical depth to that of the next girl... but the review authenticates you in plenty of ways, and it might be the random mention of your having (the most awesome elbows) which causes some dude to start seeing you next week and maintaining a looooooooooong-term business relationship with you.
I seem recall a PERB SP who agreed to let me spank her based on her NHL team preferences. That was one of a number of criteria that caused me to be interested in her.

I don't have an "awesome elbow" fetish, but PERB SP's who were willing to do a one hour BBBJ or show recent STI tests are a couple examples that got my attention.
 

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You and far too many other women in this line of work just don't recognize or consider that reviews comprise so very much of what drives the male (BIG head) as he makes decisions and establishes priorities toward his next encounter with a working girl.
People often assume that because I post something, I must agree with what the author is saying.

I was shaking my head by the end of the first sentence. They presume to know how all sex workers feel? I guess they forgot to check with me.

I find review boards to be extremely effective and give a large part of the credit for the success of my past career to review boards where I was allowed to advertise and participate.

I also believe it's the right of the client to review me, and I respected that right unless it violated my privacy or jeopardized my safety.
 
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Warl0ck

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I'm not advocating not allowing reviews. Let's first start by reminding ourselves these review boards came about as a way for men to exchange information about sex workers. It was almost always from the safety perspective. I saw Lucy 1234 and 6 guys kicked my ass & stole my credit cards. They were used to share information on what a woman really looked like, etc. Fair game

But the advent of GFE has changed everything. The line gets pushed farther and farther and this in turn effected what pooners felt should be offered during a session. The result is some pooners seem to lack the capacity to understand the difference between the reality and the fantasy. You pay to get laid, not to take a romantic walk in Gastown with your sweetheart. A sex worker is not substitute for a girlfriend. But, when you are in that mindset that there is a "connection" between you and the woman that will change your methodology of writing & your perception of the situation. Suddenly there is this quasi "emotional" thing going on and that's a dangerous path to go down. A sex worker reserves the right to offer what services she wants. If you don't get offered those services, rather than write a scathing review you need to be a bit self introspective and ask "what could I have did better". Even something as simple as not giving her the envelope immediately or bickering over price is going to start the session off poorly. So she performs poorly, you give her a bad review but you're the reason she performed poorly?

Then there are certain prolific pooners who use their "super star review status" as a bargaining chip to get more out of a woman or cut the cost of the session. They know their power and they can use it to intimidate a female. And dear God if the female dares to post and comment in his review to retort to claims a sea of fire comes her way. The more chippy and strong willed an SP is the more likely she'll face that sea of fire. That is misogyny.

And let's not forget the fake reviews from other providers. Some women in this industry are nasty as fuck. They shit they pull of to destroy their competition borders on criminal harassment. Or they're handlers will do it. It all makes the whole review process a shame.

Reviews should be nothing more than the facts of what happened during the session. Does she look like her photos. Yes/No/ Was the incall safe and clean? Was the woman under the influence of anything? It should not be a forum for you to write your colorful interpretation of what you feel you were entitled too. Nor should you mention specific services. And, though I had my thread blocked I still maintain this industry should have an "AirBnB" style system. The host and the guest review each other.
 

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I don't necessarily agree with a DNR policy, however I do respect an SP's right to ask for it.
I also tend to write more graphic reviews on occasion- while always including pertinent information regarding rates, services, location, contact info etc.
I feel that as well as being a review board this is also a form of entertainment for many- and adding descriptive play-by-play commentary only enhances what I'm putting on the table for public consumption.
If you like it- great. If you don't- well then, whatevs. We all have our own styles, and as long as the info is put out in a reasonably respectful fashion then carry on.
 

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Reviews should be nothing more than the facts of what happened during the session. Does she look like her photos. Yes/No/ Was the incall safe and clean? Was the woman under the influence of anything? It should not be a forum for you to write your colorful interpretation of what you feel you were entitled too. Nor should you mention specific services. And, though I had my thread blocked I still maintain this industry should have an "AirBnB" style system. The host and the guest review each other.
I'm inclined to agree. Once the ground-rules have been set, it's 100% YMMV. It seems lost that this is a human interaction between 2 people (most often, at least) and as a client, we're bringing 50% of this to the table (bed/couch/floor/whatever). Normalizing the absurdity of this entire exchange is what makes the difference.
 

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I can't find a 'Terms of Use' link anywhere on perb right now, but I think the old one used to say something about how all reviews are fiction anyway.
 

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I Kinda like Warlock's idea on the "mutual review" idea. Certainly a risk of abusing with shills but that's no different from any other review- all must be read with a critical mind.

Also don't have a problem with DNR - as someone stated earlier, there are plenty of SPs out there with good reviews. No need to TOFTT (better to save money and time if you can't work something out with someone you know has a good reputation in my opinion). An SP should know that good reviews will have a positive benefit to her business but if she's comfortable with how business is, the clients she's seeing, etc, then what's the issue? You as a client also have a choice to not see an SP with zero reviews.

I used to write more graphic reviews, on TER. No more - at the time it was a fun way to reminisce but now I'm more interested in seeing the details that Angel pointed out - what did she really look like, how was he place, was she on time, did she try to connect or was she on her phone or trying to rush? how was the overall experience?
 

escapefromstress

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Careful screening can help an sp avoid the majority of reviews of the dehumanizing nature.

If a guy acts like a disrespectful caveman in the inquiry.. he'll be a diserspectful caveman in the session... then if he's a reviewer..well there's a very good chance he'll treat the lady like a piece of meat in the review section as well.

All the more reason to screen carefully & listen to your instincts.
+1

The number one quality I used to look for when screening potential clients, was a respectful attitude towards me.
 
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