You go girl!
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So many good speeches over the past few days.
People are highly motivated not to allow this administration drive over their rights.
People are highly motivated not to allow this administration drive over their rights.
I'm not a Trump supporter but I'm tired of seeing all these as my grandfather used to call them "wine glass socialist" hollywood types who live very comfortable, pampered lifestyles whining about Trump when I doubt if one of them has put themselves in the shoes of the out of work factory worker trying to feed their family or any of the other millions of Americans who were simply sick and tired of the political status quo which has, like in this country, only benefited those within the system while the rest of us pay for it.
Yes Trump is a misogynistic, racist pig but the fault lies not with Trump but with the political establishment, including the democrats, who have been giving it to the citizens up the ass for the past 20 years.
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Yes Trump is a misogynistic, racist pig but the fault lies not with Trump but with the political establishment, including the democrats, who have been giving it to the citizens up the ass for the past 20 years.
Cheers
There's a lot to be said for the notion that all the celebrity endorsements were counterproductive, and helped Trump win. Some were from Hollywood people that have always been outspoken on politics, so you can see they would be there giving their opinion. But there was such a parade of them, like it became a standard thing for almost a year for many random celebs to always throw in some snide comment against Trump, as if they were reading from some common book of prayer.
It was a dumb thing to do, and I don't know why the Clinton campaign thought they should reply on that so heavily and policy so little - after a while, seeing them at all these parties, rallies, and fundraiser concerts, I'm sure to many voters, it became like a reminder that "we are the beautiful people & connected people, and you are not one of them". Cue the backlash.
Personally, I have nothing against the fact that the Hollywood types speaking out on politics when it comes to a presidential candidate who has no more experience in politics than they do. That's one big ironic joke - seeing Trump supporters say "hey STFU, you're a celebrity so you don't know more about this than the average person does." Now that president is an entry-level job, nobody can be told to shut up unless they have some expertise or experience anymore.
However, another unusual side effect is that we may get more Hollywood people running for office. Before, they might have chosen not to and let the experts who make politics & government a career take on those battles. Now - why not run? Eastwood did it. Franken did it. So why not governor Sarandon? Mayor Streep? Senator Fishburne?
Well, anyway - to those who choose to risk themselves to fight back, great. Maybe that's the lesson here: No more parade of dilettantes - only those who can contribute more than glamour to a cause.
I have no doubt that Trump will be a disaster as president. I have a lot of empathy for the demonstrators in Washington and elsewhere.
But, I also think that the liberal elite can't yet see out of their bubble. (My American friends all think of me as a liberal, by the way.) They can't accept that the Trump vote was a reaction to problems that are real, for those who are just ordinary working types.
Every time I see Trump's victory ascribed to the ignorance of working class white males, I, a working class white male, feel like buying one of his stupid hats and wearing it myself, perhaps to a Green Party rally.
But, I also think that the liberal elite can't yet see out of their bubble. (My American friends all think of me as a liberal, by the way.) They can't accept that the Trump vote was a reaction to problems that are real, for those who are just ordinary working types.
Every time I see Trump's victory ascribed to the ignorance of working class white males, I, a working class white male, feel like buying one of his stupid hats and wearing it myself, perhaps to a Green Party rally.
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Warl0ck
They did help Trump win. The whole celebrity endorsement is so very "90's". The Democrats imagined "celebrity" carried more weight than it did. They were wrong.
You want an example? Jane Fonda showing up in the oil sands to attack it. A rich privileged woman with her own private plane flies up to Fort Mac to tell the locals how evil their lifestyle is. This ignores that the entire city fled for their lives from a wildfire & a substantial portion of them are jobless because of low oil prices. She can't even fathom that a whole bunch of those working people take those paycheques and send money home so Mom can feed the kids and send little Johnny off to school to give him some chance in life. They're just people working for a living. To quote Corb Lund in the song "This is my Prairie" "I can't blame the riggers or the guys drivin' truck. For feedin' their families and makin' a buck But take a close look at the stock that you own Cuz' this is my prairie, this is my home"
Anthony Bourdain mentioned something about "elitist Eastern liberals" causing Trump to win. Bourdain is one of the few balanced people out there willing to speak his mind and he's right. Hiring rich, disconnected people as your spokespeople is entirely stupid.
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Warl0ck
A great point. I spent part of my formative years getting up at 5 AM to milk cows on a farm in -40C. I escaped that life but there are many people that willingly stayed in it. The "Democrat Eastern Liberals" treat those people as if they're an inferior species because they chose a simple life. The automatic assumption is anyone in that fold is a "redneck racist" and that's not the case at all. Simple doesn't mean redneck. But a whole swath of society feels that way & they love looking down on those people. In Canada the best example is Ottawa ignoring the west. In the USA it's the Democrats ignoring the "common man", the guy who eats at a diner, drives a truck and whose weekend isn't spend eating sushi but drinking a cold beer listening to Classic Rock. The Democrats once owned those folks but they forget about them. Trump came in and scooped them up.
The best example is the fire in Fort Mac last year. A bunch of people lost everything but on the way out of town they were good enough to stop and help other people flee losing everything and some of them stopped to fill up the gas tanks of other stranded people. A bunch of "rednecks" or "rig pigs" worthy of very little to most of the country. And they barely fall on the radar of political parties. Much the same as in America. Middle working class America that was forgotten by the Democrats (who once championed them). They're painted as simple, stupid rednecks but they're not.
The Democrats forget the people who toss a lunch pail in a pickup truck and go make a living.
This discussion is quite enlightening. The one thing i do know is that trump is not going to support the little guy/blue collar guy/ozarks man very much in any way. Look at his administration picks, outright lies, doublespeak, fake news andd rumermongering.
In his first days hes moved to thrown millons off of health care, moving to 'renegotiate nafta' , stuffed his white house with the croniest of cronies, and is under investigation by no more than 5 agencies.
I would say that the working man voted against his own interests by putting thier hopes into a snake oil salesman
In his first days hes moved to thrown millons off of health care, moving to 'renegotiate nafta' , stuffed his white house with the croniest of cronies, and is under investigation by no more than 5 agencies.
I would say that the working man voted against his own interests by putting thier hopes into a snake oil salesman
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Warl0ck
clearly they were right, just wrong about which level, it wasn't the "A" list it was the "Z" list
you really think Trumpf would have gotten any traction if he wasn't a so called Z list celebrity
he just appealed to the other half, well 27% that is, only a little over a 1/4 of eligible voters actually voted for him
just like the self titled non mainstream media, Fox, who is actually part of the mainstream, seems to think it's a overwhelming movement, it isn't any different than before, it's same old same old, same shit different pile
he's no different, he isn't draining the swamp, he's just replacing it with a different breed
an elite breed of millionaires and billionaires, just like the common man :amen:
