Finding Sugar Babies on Seeking Arrangement
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westcoast555
The girls I talk to appreciate that I'm straight up about what I want - and I pick the ones that indicate that they know this is a pay for play situation. You have to read between the lines. You have to also be direct and yet tactful and respectful in your communications. The site is officially set up so that per visit solicitation is not allowed and escorts have their accounts terminated.
I get the feedback from a lot of the girls that a lot of the men on there are flaky, trying to scam them, want free sex, want to "try out" first, have no money etc.
A lot of the girls specify up front they're not looking for a sexual relationship. You just have to pick the right ones, cut to the chase and it helps if you are in shape and have a little game.
I think you missed a key point - all references to SA in this thread are to:
https://www.seekingarrangement.com
Though I believe there are other sugar daddy / sugar baby sites out there.
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Yeah, I have a few theories about this. I think a lot of guys are extra goofy because they resent the fact that they might have to pay and think they can put one over on these girls.
I think for both men and women you have to be very clear about what you want and SCREEN like a mofo. The site is full of creeps from what I hear. And some of the girls are looking to get paid just to hang out which is absurd to me.
I've had so many fantastic connections but I feel sorry for some of the girls because a lot of them are just trying it out and aren't sure about what they want (some are quite savvy and know the drill completely). I see girls pop on and then they just never log back in or delete their account and I know they're getting inundated with stupid, lewd, aggressive message from idiots.
I genuinely respect the girls I connect with and treat them with respect and courtesy. Same with any SP I meet.
A lot of the girls have disclaimers saying "I'm not an escort, don't treat me like one" etc. I don't even bother connecting. I think the issue on both sides is the "grey zone" where people want some kind of proxy relationship that doesn't exist.
For me it's just a fun way to connect with girls on a per date basis and I only want to connect with girls that are fine with that. I guess the site is only going to work for some people.
Probably the fact that I've done so much regular online dating helps, I'm used to it being a numbers game, screening, avoiding scammers, being clear about what I want and being patient.
SA is quite expensive. I don't know if the girls get any type of discount or what. Regardless, I would assume most males on there can be rather aggressive with their expectations while many girls as already mentioned want to paid generously just to be someone's trophy, nothing more. The more effort one puts in and gets very little out it, the more frustrated one will become.
While the above is true, I couldn't disagree with you more about the following
Is there more work? Absolutely. BUT it's nothing like the local SP scene.
On SA, you can get Aleixs 2240 and Scarlette Rose caliber girls for $400/night +food/drinks/gifts. Considering escorts of this caliber are charging in the range of $3000/night, SA is unbelievable value. I got into this hobby because I wanted to fuck and cuddle cute college girls. SA is the only outlet that has given me that at a reasonable price.
There are catches
You have to be attractive and you do have to know how to carry yourself around girls, which most pooners lack. And I stress girls because the best value on there are innocent college girls needing help with a little cash, not the older ones who treat SA like a job.
You have to be well off, drive a nice car, and have a nice residence or 5 star hotel.
Discretion can be a major roadblock, and there is more likelihood these girls will want to seep into your personal life. Also the girls are not nearly as clean as you think they will be, you have to know that you're not their only Sugar Daddy and that they'll be sleeping around as well.
If you can pass all that, then there's not a single SP in the local scene that provides better value.
From what I understand, the girls on SA are ok with a "distinguished" older man 40's, 50s if he is both attractive and fit. This is Vancouver where partaking in outdoors activities is the norm.
As far as nice residence goes or a 5 star hotel? Why would they need to know where you live or what kind of home you have unless you plan on bringing them to your place. Most men would not because they are married. As far as 5 star hotel goes? If they prefer that, I think they're a gold digger because hotels in general Vancouver are ridiculously expensive. That adds to the expenses. You'd definitely better off with a premium escort then, besides, my thinking is these girls on SA better have a place of their own.
Escorts that charge $3K are in the calibre of porn stars which most of us are not in that league and would never consider spending that.
That's the point. I've seen Scarlette Rose, Sasha Carmelle, Celina, Tessa Starr, Raelene Rose, Claire Monet, Josie Winters, Sophie shortterm, Verona. They're all in that 3k range per night.
I can say without doubt there are girls on SA that are more attractive. Even with hotel and gifts, I ran at most $800 a night.
I'd rather take a trip somewhere tropical that lasts longer than a night for that kind of rate. #justsaying
I totally see where you're coming from.
I'm in this hobby to fuck and cuddle hot college girls. I don't fuck with micros, high volume, or bush league agencies. I don't go pass DT core.
I could choose a local upscale SP and pay her $3000 for the night, or I can go on SA and find an even hotter girl that will send me face pics and ask for $400 a night.
For some people, screening and impressing girls is too much work, and I get that.
For me, paying less money for a hotter girl is a pretty easy decision. And when discretion isn't important, and I can put in a little more work.
Again, it's nothing like the local SP scene.
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westcoast555
Agree 100%
I tend to not judge others on this site because I'm here too... but the truth is a lot of pooners problaby don't have what it takes to make it work with one of these younger girls.
I have a nice cozy condo and I'm single so discretion and privacy are not issues like they are for most married guys.
Hey if anyone can find a SP hotter than Scarlette Rose or Alexis that charges $400/night, offers BBBJ, DFK, GFE tell me and I will stand corrected.
I'll absolutely admit I was wrong.
I'll absolutely admit I was wrong.
LOL, Alexis is a bad example since she is on SA and charges more on SA then to do a 15 minute quick fuck which I paid $100 for . And trust me if you're on SA , you do it for the thrill of paying a young girl who doesn't consider herself a hooker but will fuck you for the $$$$ . The flake rate is way to high for married guys/ugly guys who want to just bust a nut on the side with a hot girl .
I was talking to a 18 year old last night and we agreed to meet and she was 100 % into it but then she decided to stop talking to me . This happens more often than not . New girl comes on to the site and loves the idea but then she realizes she can't fuck random guys who will be 10 + years older than her and flakes . And trust me , I get good results because I'm 29 and every girl I meet off the site talks about age .
If you're over 35 and not good looking and don't have the bankroll to throw $1000 a night at girls and just want to bust a nut in a hottie without work . Escorts are better for you . But if you're decent looking and can budget up to $500 a night on a girl , you will find some gems on SA but don't forget your paying $100 a month for this service to just to talk to these girls . $1200 a year alone or you can use that $1200 on escorts and see 6 girls for 30 minute session . Like I said, I spent $100 on Barbie/Aleixs 2240 number but she will charge minimum $300 on SA .
While I agree with most of what cassiusclay and westcoast555 have said in terms of navigating the SA landscape, the problem I have is that their specific needs and situations aren't the norm when it comes to most pooners and really isn't representative of what most want and/or can get (either due to age, income, living situation, etc.). The reason most SPs charge 3K for an overnight is because very few, if any, pooners want or opt for that. How many pooners (married or otherwise) really want to share a bed with a stranger after they've dropped their load? Don't get me wrong, I see the appeal and have had overnights but if I really wanted to cuddle and do other fun activities, I would have a girlfriend instead (and no, I didn't pay for those overnights - I just went with the flow). Most of the SBs westcoast555 mentioned - the legit ones that know the game, are pretty much just glorified escorts and go by the hour or a dinner date, fuck and see ya.
What I meant by the local SP scene and SBs being similar is strictly in terms of overall value and the relative attractiveness of the girls. Yes, you can find some true 19-yr olds on SA and they won't be jaded, some might even be bubbly and happy to be with a (perceived) wealthy and "fun" guy but just because they're low volume amateurs, it doesn't make them any more attractive. A 6 is still a 6 and an 8 is still an 8. I've done both and can objectively say the girls on SA aren't much of a cut above the SPs on LL and BP - it's marginal. But because the cost is higher, in terms of $ and time, SA really isn't worth it to most people, especially to pooners in my opinion. Maybe to small percentage but it isn't for most of them.
I find it funny that of the 10 local SPs mentioned in this thread, 3 of them are on SA as well and that's only of the ones I know so it looks like I'm pretty bang on in terms of the percentage of SA girls that are also SPs. It's all about perception. I think Sincity summed it up pretty well also.
What I meant by the local SP scene and SBs being similar is strictly in terms of overall value and the relative attractiveness of the girls. Yes, you can find some true 19-yr olds on SA and they won't be jaded, some might even be bubbly and happy to be with a (perceived) wealthy and "fun" guy but just because they're low volume amateurs, it doesn't make them any more attractive. A 6 is still a 6 and an 8 is still an 8. I've done both and can objectively say the girls on SA aren't much of a cut above the SPs on LL and BP - it's marginal. But because the cost is higher, in terms of $ and time, SA really isn't worth it to most people, especially to pooners in my opinion. Maybe to small percentage but it isn't for most of them.
I find it funny that of the 10 local SPs mentioned in this thread, 3 of them are on SA as well and that's only of the ones I know so it looks like I'm pretty bang on in terms of the percentage of SA girls that are also SPs. It's all about perception. I think Sincity summed it up pretty well also.
And the site itself will run scams on its members to keep them paying....eg a cute young CBC I had messaged when I first got on the site messaged me back just out of the blue on the night that I was going to let my paid membership expire sending out sexual vibes. So I paid another month and messaged her back and havent heard from her since. The site has dummy profiles that are run by employees that will barrage a new member with views and interests and even messages to make him think that he is creating a lot of interest on the site but these women do not exist.
Ive had better luck targeting some of the older women on there rather than the hot college types but you have to be really selective. There are some crazy women on there and a lot of scams they will run on you and you have to be careful. I have also been told that I was a gem because most of the men are creeps whereas like WestCoast does, I treat them all with respect because many of them are in pretty tough circumstances.
West Coast gives a lot of good information on how to navigate the site and all of it right on the money. There are gems out there but you have to sort through the chaff to get to the wheat.
Ive had better luck targeting some of the older women on there rather than the hot college types but you have to be really selective. There are some crazy women on there and a lot of scams they will run on you and you have to be careful. I have also been told that I was a gem because most of the men are creeps whereas like WestCoast does, I treat them all with respect because many of them are in pretty tough circumstances.
West Coast gives a lot of good information on how to navigate the site and all of it right on the money. There are gems out there but you have to sort through the chaff to get to the wheat.
knew someone a while back who had a girl on the side
he paid for her apartment in exchange for access to her whenever he wanted
he would invite her for lunch, dinner, etc., she would pick him up and drive him around
almost a mistress type relationship however she was a working girl (sp) for the rest of the time
worked out great till his wife caught him, that cost him plenty but she ended up going along with it
he paid for her apartment in exchange for access to her whenever he wanted
he would invite her for lunch, dinner, etc., she would pick him up and drive him around
almost a mistress type relationship however she was a working girl (sp) for the rest of the time
worked out great till his wife caught him, that cost him plenty but she ended up going along with it
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