Ymmv

[Proculus]

Are you 70 years old? Are you fat? Do you smell bad? Are you a sloppy dresser? Are you repulsive? Are you an isolated weirdo? Do you constantly insist on BBBJ and DFK even though the girl clearly isn't in to it? These things might be having an impact on your experience. If the girl has just had sex with 4 guys before you today how likely do you think it is that your are going to give her multiple orgasms with your stellar DATY skills despite the fact that you have a scraggly beard that makes the entire process uncomfortable? People on these forums just complain complain complain. When I read a review I am checking 1. That the girl is safe and someone isn't going to jump out and rob me. 2. That the girl is reasonably attractive and comes close to matching her description.

 

[wpgman69]

yep

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Are you 70 years old? Are you fat? Do you smell bad? Are you a sloppy dresser? Are you repulsive? Are you an isolated weirdo? Do you constantly insist on BBBJ and DFK even though the girl clearly isn't in to it? These things might be having an impact on your experience. If the girl has just had sex with 4 guys before you today how likely do you think it is that your are going to give her multiple orgasms with your stellar DATY skills despite the fact that you have a scraggly beard that makes the entire process uncomfortable?

Holy Crap Dude!

You are freaking me out!
How do you know me? Disclosing my personal info is so uncool.

 

[voodooking]

YMMV is absolutely a given when it comes to SPs.

I have have had extra services given by an SP most likely because I am in decent shape, I am respectful, younger and not bad looking. (This is not a brag so don't get offended)
One of the reasons that I will not put the exact specifics of the service in a review is because some people get pissed off that I got something on the menu that was not offered to them. The other main reason is that I respect the SP's privacy.

I can understand why a young beautiful SP is not wanting to french kiss an old client that is old enough to be her dad or grandfather.
Most often if they find the client unattractive you are likely to get a shit service.
One SP even told me that when the client is unattractive they are getting doggy style sex only.

 

[golferjohn]

I can understand why a young beautiful SP is not wanting to french kiss an old client that is old enough to be her dad or grandfather.
Most often if they find the client unattractive you are likely to get a shit service.
One SP even told me that when the client is unattractive they are getting doggy style sex only.

LOL, problem solved!!

 

[westwoody]

You have to be careful with details. Some guys get bitchy if they think someone else got more than them.
"Wah wah Johnny got more ice cream than me!"

 

[johnnydepth]

YMMV is absolutely a given when it comes to SPs.

I have have had extra services given by an SP most likely because I am in decent shape, I am respectful, younger and not bad looking. (This is not a brag so don't get offended)
One of the reasons that I will not put the exact specifics of the service in a review is because some people get pissed off that I got something on the menu that was not offered to them. The other main reason is that I respect the SP's privacy.

I can understand why a young beautiful SP is not wanting to french kiss an old client that is old enough to be her dad or grandfather.
Most often if they find the client unattractive you are likely to get a shit service.
One SP even told me that when the client is unattractive they are getting doggy style sex only.

Good for you. I am an older guy, but still will not get offended; Attractive, generous people usually get special treatment. It is just the way things usually work. I have had many ladies go the extra mile and have even made a few feel self conscious. To be perfectly honest, it is not too often I find a sp that is significantly better looking than me. As you had stated, not to brag, it is just a fact. For this reason I do keep some things private because I wouldn't want to state a sp provides certain things for me in case it is not for everyone.

 

[MRGREEN]

Obviously ymmv matters, I never ask about a "menu" as it doesn't matter if there's no chemistry. If there is chemistry then the "menu" won't matter either.

Peace
MG

 

[rexxx]

Bingo! �� Someone finally gets it!

So you agree that when the client is unattractive you give them shit service? That's a hell of an ad campaign

 

[Robin Masters]

Naming (bragging about) off label services in reviews is not cool. It ruins it for everyone including the SP.

Be happy you got the extra and keep it to yourself.

 

[johnnydepth]

Naming (bragging about) off label services in reviews is not cool. It ruins it for everyone including the SP.

Be happy you got the extra and keep it to yourself.

Actually the more I think about it, the more I believe we should report exactly what service we receive. This is a business transaction and not a date. If everybody is paying the same, everybody should receive the same. YMMV is actually complete bullshit, it gives the SP an excuse or an out to provide less than their optimal service. If they have an issue providing the same service to somebody overweight, elderly, unattractive, etc... they need to look for a new profession.

 

[golferjohn]

the world isn't fair and not everyone deserves a blue ribbon...if you think you're receiving less than the SPs best, then move along to someone you have better chemistry with...if it happens every time, it's probably time to have that difficult discussion in the mirror.

This is a people business and all the variables come with it. We are not renting a 'service', we are interacting with another human being who is kind enough to give us a bit of their time/energy/soul for a mere pittance. This is MOST definitely a YMMV environment and the door swings equally both ways...(perhaps a bit on our favor, even) if you haven't noticed, it's a buyers market. An SPs currency is herself and she can chose to spend it in any way that she deems fit, just the same as us with our Dead Presidents, Queens and Prime Ministers (hope I got that correct). The BIG difference? We vote with our dollars and unfortunately the SPs don't get that luxury.

 

[johnnydepth]

the world isn't fair and not everyone deserves a blue ribbon...if you think you're receiving less than the SPs best, then move along to someone you have better chemistry with...if it happens every time, it's probably time to have that difficult discussion in the mirror.

This is a people business and all the variables come with it. We are not renting a 'service', we are interacting with another human being who is kind enough to give us a bit of their time/energy/soul for a mere pittance. This is MOST definitely a YMMV environment and the door swings equally both ways...(perhaps a bit on our favor, even) if you haven't noticed, it's a buyers market. An SPs currency is herself and she can chose to spend it in any way that she deems fit, just the same as us with our Dead Presidents, Queens and Prime Ministers (hope I got that correct). The BIG difference? We vote with our dollars and unfortunately the SPs don't get that luxury.

Completely disagree. This may be what you want to believe, but I don't think it is true. If it was true the right thing for an SP to do is be honest and say to the client "I'm sorry I don't find you attractive I can't take your money". Clearly that doesn't happen because the money is far more important than the client. That is not a people business, it is a commodity business.

 

[golferjohn]

Completely disagree. This may be what you want to believe, but I don't think it is true. If it was true the right thing for an SP to do is be honest and say to the client "I'm sorry I don't find you attractive I can't take your money". Clearly that doesn't happen because the money is far more important than the client. That is not a people business, it is a commodity business.

In a way it does happen...if an SP doesn't feel the, let's call it chemistry cuz attractiveness is purely subjective, then the session would be lack-luster at best and probably down-right awful at worst. The client in question has made every effort to see her, laid-down his hard-earned money and then came-away with something below what was expected. Lesson learned and on to someone who possibly could meet/exceed those expectations. What just happened was the free-market in motion...the SP wasn't feeling 'it' and the session was lacking, problem solved as the client probably won't book again. Not everyone will have the same experience with the same SP and I think it's naïve to think every SP is going to feel the same with every client. That's the 'people' nature of this commodity business and as long as we continue to demand this market, there will continue to be all the variables that come-along with it.

If you remove the human element and boil it down to a commodity, (pussy) you also take-away the very essence of the experience. If I was only interested in the commodity aspect, I certainly wouldn't spend the time/money/effort in finding someone I can connect with on a human level which makes the sexual level that much more satisfying...but that's just me. I'm 100% supportive of your viewpoint, I just look at it a little differently...it's what makes this community interesting.

 

[johnnydepth]

Well said golferjohn, thanks for the clarification.

 

[CliveAllen]

Completely disagree. This may be what you want to believe, but I don't think it is true. If it was true the right thing for an SP to do is be honest and say to the client "I'm sorry I don't find you attractive I can't take your money". Clearly that doesn't happen because the money is far more important than the client. That is not a people business, it is a commodity business.

Don't agree. I have different rates for clients depending on how much "work" it is to me.
That is relative.
Strong people find it easier to do physical work than weak people.
Beautiful woman find it less work to be with an attractive man vs one that isn't.
Some women say no DATY as a default until them meet you because they don't want to promise something that they don't want you to do when they meet you. Maybe a beard, or a cold sore, or just the fact they don't want some guys ugly mug between their legs.
A pain in the ass customer will be charged more per hour by me because that hour is more work for me than with another customer.
The only reason I care to deal with some of them is because they pay more. If they didn't, I would spend that time with a client I enjoyed more.
I actually have 3 different rates.
I know I don't pay the same with some girls as other guys do. I know for a fact because I have been told by more than one SP.
Because they have fun with me. I bring them a J and we have some laughs after.
Give them a ride when they need one.
That is the way the world works.
Good way if good behavior, hygiene, and courtesy, gets you further than the lack of.

 

[Mister Friendly]

I've been reading the comments and agree totally with golferjohn.
We're dealing with people that are giving part of their body and so much more on a feeling, spiritual level (whatever you want to call it, I'm sure most people know what I'm trying to say)
We give them money to receive so much more than just sex, at least that's what I'm looking for.
If I don't connect on a feeling level, the sex is not going to be good for either person.
We pooner's need to walk a mile in their shoes and then make comments about what they should provide for plain old money.
Just my thought's on the subject.

 

[johnnydepth]

I realize YMMV does exist, that is obvious. I reap the benefits of it from time to time. I just think it is wrong. As a business owner I have two rates; wholesale and retail. I don't charge a client more because they are a pain in the ass or provide them different service. I simply finish my work with them and turn down any future sales with that client. I understand hygiene issues are a concern for some SP's. However, a guy getting less than stellar service because he is unattractive or overweight, or whatever... That is just wrong. George Takei had to kiss women on Star Trek, and guess what ? He didn't like it but he did his job. Sorry I'm not into a "Pretty Woman" scenario. Let's turn the tables and look at the opposite situation. A client finishes his hour with a SP and decides she wasn't attractive enough, or attentive enough, or whatever. So he takes back half his money and leaves. This should be acceptable, right? Clearly doesn't happen. Sorry guys, it's a commodity to me, nothing more.

 

[Felina Rose]

Good morning gentlemen

This is a very controversial topic. I can only speak from my own experience. SP's get into this industry for there own personal reasons, for some it's desperation for others it's clearly the income that is desirable and once your in it you have two paths you can take which sets the less desirable providers to the providers that actually have heart and a desire to give of themselves, not only giving our bodies but yes our heart and soul.
When I first started out I knew nothing about this. But I understood the need and purpose of why Men choose to do this and I have the most upmost respect of that. Again I'm only sharing my side of being the provider. When I choose to spend time with someone, it's not just about looks I've spent time with gentlemen that may not have George Clooney looks, but have turned out to be the best lovers ,like my legs are shaking and I'm the one who has to gather myself after a session. Lol actually puts a smile on my face thinking about it
Every woman and man are unique what we are looking for , what we are needing sexually and yes emotionally too. I prefer not to spend time with men that want just a wam and bam. And as I spent time with men I learned quickly to discern the difference between the ones looking for a hooker or the ones looking for a companion. I choose the latter because just like most of you I'm assuming you want to be treated with respect and dignity.
YMMV for me means be a Gentlemen have respect and decency as a human being add a splash of humility to it equals a great combination! Yes of course have great hygiene I love kissing which is exactly why in my bathroom I provide mouthwash and mints for a fresh encounter lol ;*
The ladies who treat the less desirable men out there less then stellar, your missing out big time. Passion and true intimacy comes from making a connection on every level

I love when a Newbie chooses me! It gives me a chance to give him the best experience and not be discouraged or disappointed in the fantasy he had in mind. It keeps me mindful of why I do this . I was taught from a young muchacha, treat others as you want to be treated kindness ,compassion and understanding go a long way on both sides of this. And really we are all horny so why not make the most out of it!
Happy hump day!
Felina xoxo

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Good morning gentlemen
This is a very controversial topic. I can only speak from my own experience. SP's get into this industry for there own personal reasons, for some it's desperation for others it's clearly the income that is desirable and once your in it you have two paths you can take which sets the less desirable providers to the providers that actually have heart and a desire to give of themselves, not only giving our bodies but yes our heart and soul. When I first started out I knew nothing about this. But I understood the need and purpose of why Men choose to do this and I have the most upmost respect of that. Again I'm only sharing my side of being the provider. When I choose to spend time with someone, it's not just about looks I've spent time with gentlemen that may not have George Clooney looks, but have turned out to be the best lovers ,like my legs are shaking and I'm the one who has to gather myself after a session. Lol actually puts a smile on my face thinking about it Every woman and man are unique what we are looking for , what we are needing sexually and yes emotionally too. I prefer not to spend time with men that want just a wam and bam. And as I spent time with men I learned quickly to discern the difference between the ones looking for a hooker or the ones looking for a companion. I choose the latter because just like most of you I'm assuming you want to be treated with respect and dignity. YMMV for me means be a Gentlemen have respect and decency as a human being add a splash of humility to it equals a great combination! Yes of course have great hygiene I love kissing which is exactly why in my bathroom I provide mouthwash and mints for a fresh encounter lol The ladies who treat the less desirable men out there less then stellar, your missing out big time. Passion and true intimacy comes from making a connection on every level . I love when a Newbie chooses me! It gives me a chance to give him the best experience and not be discouraged or disappointed in the fantasy he had in mind. It keeps me mindful of why I do this . I was taught from a young muchacha, treat others as you want to be treated kindness ,compassion and understanding go a long way on both sides of this. And really we are all horny so why not make the most out of it!
Happy hump day!
Felina xoxo

:clap2: Felina, you rock!
After this, I don't think anything more needs to be said.