Iowa Caucus Results

golferjohn

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Dec 25, 2015
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Please accept my apologies for whomever is going to reside in The White House...thx
 

westwoody

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Jun 10, 2004
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Westwood
Saner heads have prevailed, a Trump landslide has been averted.

Hilary is more right wing than a lot of Republicans. Nobody should be voting for her. Maybe they think Bernie is too old? Or his ideas are too scary LOL
 

apl16

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Jul 26, 2011
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Look left. Way left.
The Yankee system became a complete dog and pony show when they made bribery legal.

Sanders is the first sane candidate in decades. Maybe since the Kennedy's. He's not for kill all the foreigners and give the rich everything.
 

sdw

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Jul 14, 2005
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The Yankee system became a complete dog and pony show when they made bribery legal.

Sanders is the first sane candidate in decades. Maybe since the Kennedy's. He's not for kill all the foreigners and give the rich everything.
The average American Democrat is to the right of Attila the Hun. The Trial Lawyers, Financiers and Media Moguls that fund and control the American Democrat party aren't interested in a Conservative - maybe even, Gasp, Liberal leaning candidate that might actually "adjust" some of the elite's advantages.

While the average American Republican is to the right of any American Democrat, they have a severe disadvantage. They actually won't vote if the "wrong" candidate wins the nomination.

This is because of the way that American Political Parties "buy" the votes of their supporters.

American Democrats buy their supporter's votes by ensuring that people that aren't citizens of the USA can vote on election day. This inserts the supporter into the Social Security "family" and their non-citizen status "gets lost". This ensures that their Children are born American, the parents become eligible for government benefits and they become protected by the various non-discrimination laws.

American Republicans buy their supporter's votes by ensuring that they appeal to the absolute lowest common denominator in Religious Thought, in fear of Others, in pure Racism and envy of Success. The problem for the Republicans is that only the factions that the nominated candidate belongs to, will vote on election day. That's why, whatever the Republican was doing Saturday evening, they are in Church on Sunday morning. That's why the NRA/Second Amendment and Guns are important to fight off the "Others". That's why a colored person running as a Republican is always an "Uncle Tom". And that's why Success must be hidden and apologized for by any good Republican.

The Democrat's "Base" is constantly growing because 100s of Thousands of new people arrive in the USA every year. The Republican's "Base" has the potential to grow because people that can't use birth control, can't have abortions and can't have sex education - have babies. Problem is; they "discipline" their children to death, have a high degree on incest births with the equally high degree of mental incapacity and a very high rate of infant mortality.

Even in Military Establishments the races establish "turf". It's so bad that the USS Hampton (SSN-767) had to be towed into San Diego because the Nuclear and Propulsion Rooms were "off limits" to members of other races and the gang in possession didn't know how to repair the problem. The Commander and all 11 other Officers were relieved of duty along with a number of the non-commissioned crew.
 

westwoody

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Jun 10, 2004
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Trump having a hissy fit and blaming everyone but himself for his failure.
One measure of character is how one deals with adversity. Now we see Trump's real character: a spoiled brat.
 

Tugela

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Oct 26, 2010
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Trump having a hissy fit and blaming everyone but himself for his failure.
One measure of character is how one deals with adversity. Now we see Trump's real character: a spoiled brat.
He didn't behave that way when he gave the concession speech.
 

Tugela

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Saner heads have prevailed, a Trump landslide has been averted.

Hilary is more right wing than a lot of Republicans. Nobody should be voting for her. Maybe they think Bernie is too old? Or his ideas are too scary LOL
Both of them are too old. I think that 50s is a good age for the leader of country. Old enough to have some wisdom and experience, but not so old that dementia becomes a real risk. Clinton and Sanders should be heading for the retirement home, not the presidency. I can't see either of them doing more than 1 term if elected.

Sanders comes across as somewhat eccentric IMO. Sort of like the crazy old uncle with weird ideas that everyone humors but doesn't take seriously. I don't think he could be trusted with the position of president, there is too much chance of him going rogue and doing crazy stuff. Plus, an effective president has to be a good negotiator who can get some sort of consensus in congress, and Sanders doesn't have a hope in hell of ever getting that. I think he would have trouble even getting most of his party on board, let alone the republicans.
 

Tugela

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I think that those not voting for him realize that he cannot implement any of his policies without the support of Congress. Obama was to far to the "socialist extreme" to get much past the type of Congress being elected these days. Bernie's ambitions are way farther to the left, so far that they are getting pretty close to right of center in Canada.

So, do the voters want four years of bitter political struggle while nothing gets passed with Bernie (if he can beat the Republican candidate) or four years of bitter political struggle with little getting passed with Hillary (who almost certainly will beat the Republican candidate)?

The electorate really should consider carefully whether the USA has the luxury of another four years of no progress on repairing important programs and policies. The first one they really need to fix are the gerrymandered electoral boundaries that allow the fringes of parties to control the conversation.

Not my circus & so not my monkeys.
Part of Obama's big problem was that he was black and the Republicans didn't like that. His polices and ideas were not all that different from recent Democratic presidents. I would say he was worse in fact, because he lacked vision and true leadership. His other problem was that he was a manufactured candidate that came out of the Illinois political machine. Some murky individuals in the local Democratic party there decided that the time was right for a black candidate who "looked right" to white voters. And the guy who best fit that bill in their local political scene was Obama. So they "arranged" for him to give an address during the nomination convention for Kerry at prime time, had a script writer prepare a suitably inspirational speech and that gave him a national profile. At the time the spin doctors were oohing and ahing, talking about him being a future presidential candidate even though no one had ever heard of him before and he hadn't actually done anything at that point. Then they got a senate seat arranged for him, and promptly started a run for presidency. Power brokers scripted him into the presidency because they wanted to make history by having the first black candidate on a major party ticket, and perhaps the first black president. Obama was just the guy they cast for the role, he didn't really do his time in the trenches to earn that place, he didn't stand and seize the position like most other candidates who run for the nomination, it was given to him. The whole road to the presidency for him was an exercise in cynical political manipulation and he was the puppet. And I think that was a big part of the issue with him, because deep down most people knew that and resented him as a result.

Sanders on the other hand is a true socialist, and more like the left wing of the NDP in a Canadian context. I don't believe that he is any more electable than Tom Mulcair was here. An outside chance at best, but only if the other guys mess up.

On the Republican side it is unlikely that Trump will win the presidency although he may win the nomination. Cruz I think can't win the presidency either. The remaining Republican who still has a realistic shot is Rubio, and I think if he becomes their candidate his chances are probably pretty good. He will have an uphill battle getting the nomination though.
 
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