Reality vs Perception

[Dickson]

After reading the Nicole Green post I got thinking.

Come on guys why trash her. The reality is 80 to 90% of the ladies at the lower end and mid level SPs, SW, Agency Girls are like her. I have seen thousands of ladies in this business and it is sad but most if not all are in it for the money. There is a few who are exceptions. But that is very rare. We pay them to smile at us, tell us what we want to hear and screw us then tell us we are wonderful. But after the few hours are done they are out of there and they start again with the next guy. Maybe every once in a while a guy comes along with windshield washer fluid or a little gift. And it lights up their day. But most guys are in and out especially the one hour or half hour crowd. Our hope is to get the most out of them and they get the most out of us. It is a game. We fool ourself if we think it is anything but. However every once in a while a real SP shows up and blows us away. Like wise every once in a while a real gentleman shows up and wows the SP.

I guess that is why I do what I do to make it memorable for me and to I hope make it special for the SP. And if I stumble across the right one look out. I try to find something to make it special by taking them away, giving them new clothes, giving them a romantic adventure. I know after they are done with me they go back to their apartment or hole in the wall. Trying to make ends meet. Looking after their kids, or a dead end job with a boss they hate. They go home to wash us off of them. Thinking who can I talk to about what I do. Even high end ladies have clients who demand more because they pay more. More money might mean getting her to do more degrading acts. The big spenders spend but they also demand more.

Don't get me wrong there are a number of good ladies and a number if good clients like some if us. But understand we are an exceptions to the rule. I can see it in how the hounds were released on this young lady and the personal attacks on her regarding her size or her background or her services. Attacking her is the reason why she got like that. People like us that made her express her feelings like that. I don't blame her. I have been ripped off more times than I care to remember. No need to get bitter and blame them. I am the pathetic piece of crap that wanted to pay her to do and say what I wanted her to do. So being ripped off was what I deserved. I seek it out and when I get it I should not be surprised. It was not what I was looking for but if you are going to dig for gold you better be prepared to get dirty.

I will try an agency lady or a new girl to try and give them a good experience. But I am pure evil for showing them a bright spot in a dark hole. Am I contributing to their demise by giving them a glimpse of something that is rare? I have been doing this for nearly 30 years. I have seen some wonderful ladies. I have seen some bad one. I hope they remember me as a good client. But my experiences with them is rare as most use them like they use us. It breeds that sickness. Screening helps the SP and Perb/terb and other boards help screen but I feel bad for these young ladies that reflect what Ms Green had to endure.

Guy don't be so quick to attack. Don't be so fast to jump into personal rant. We need tp be more understanding. We need to understand respect is needed even more so for those who are most harshly seen.

I wish I could have taken Ms Green out for a nice dinner and let her sucker me into paying her more so that she could see we are not all jaded. There is good in the world.

I want something - I want to feel I am a good person. I want to feel loved, wanted, desired, I want to be held, I want someone to make love to me, and in exchanged I am willing to pay. It seems like a fair exchange of money for value. At least from where I stand.

 

[Dickson]

You're a gem Dickson!

Oh Ms Arouses even fools gold looks like the real thing from a distance. Get me close up and thus gem is just another piece of costume jewelry. But thank you for your comment. I appreciate the thought.

 

[Dickson]

You're a gem Dickson!

Oh Ms Arouses even fools gold looks like the real thing from a distance. Get me close up and thus gem is just another piece of costume jewelry. But thank you for your comment. I appreciate the thought.

 

[hornygandalf]

I want something - I want to feel I am a good person. I want to feel loved, wanted, desired, I want to be held, I want someone to make love to me, and in exchanged I am willing to pay. It seems like a fair exchange of money for value. At least from where I stand.

Yep. This echo's my sentiments totally. And I want someone who can receive from me (and not just the money) as much as I am from them... which I think is also part of why you create amazing experiences for some of the ladies, Dickson. It is understandable where Nicole Green is coming from, and unfortunately that is the harsh reality for many, but certainly not all.

 

[westwoody]

Most ladies probably think that about 80% of guys, then 15% or more they are okay with.
The remaining one percentile are the ones who get dates off the clock, and keep in touch after retirement.
The ones Ms Green is talking about are easy to spot right here.

 

[Dickson]

Thanks for sharing a glimpse into your soul Dickson. One of the more honest posts I think I've read in a long time.

Good advice to ease up on Nicole Green. My initial instinct was to react too, but decided to pause and try to understand that there is likely an entire context behind those comments that I'll never understand.

Thanks for an honest, thought provoking, and at times hilarious post.

lance

PS ( windshield washer fluid? LMFAO)

Yea a while back someone would take windshield washer fluid to SPs as a gift. It was considered very thoughtful. Who am I to question it. I am a traditional kinda of guy. Flowers, chocolate, cheesies and peanut butter cookies for Catherine.

A gift is only a gift if the one receiving the gift perceives it as a gift with value. I have learned this from Catherine. I can give a SP jewelry, new dresses, handbags, shoes, perfume, trips, but it is all for me unless I understand their dreams, wishes, desires, fantasies. If I really am serious about giving them something understand them. Much like she understands her clients. She researches them she communicates with them and understands what makes them ticket. If they love wine she will seek out that rare wine to give to them. If they read a lot she will seek out their favorite author and get them a special book. A certain client likes red panties well she will wear them and leave them for him. She understands them and gives them what they want not what she wants to give.

It is kind of simple but I have not met a SP who thinks like that.

With select SPs that I want to develop a longer term arrangement. I will get them to participate in the fantasy vs telling the thier role. The gifts I leave have to have meaning for them. It really is about the feelings we create and leave behind.

 

[badbadboy]

After reading the Nicole Green post I got thinking.

Come on guys why trash her. The reality is 80 to 90% of the ladies at the lower end and mid level SPs, SW, Agency Girls are like her. I have seen thousands of ladies in this business and it is sad but most if not all are in it for the money. There is a few who are exceptions. But that is very rare. We pay them to smile at us, tell us what we want to hear and screw us then tell us we are wonderful. But after the few hours are done they are out of there and they start again with the next guy. Maybe every once in a while a guy comes along with windshield washer fluid or a little gift. And it lights up their day. But most guys are in and out especially the one hour or half hour crowd. Our hope is to get the most out of them and they get the most out of us. It is a game. We fool ourself if we think it is anything but. However every once in a while a real SP shows up and blows us away. Like wise every once in a while a real gentleman shows up and wows the SP.

I guess that is why I do what I do to make it memorable for me and to I hope make it special for the SP. And if I stumble across the right one look out. I try to find something to make it special by taking them away, giving them new clothes, giving them a romantic adventure. I know after they are done with me they go back to their apartment or hole in the wall. Trying to make ends meet. Looking after their kids, or a dead end job with a boss they hate. They go home to wash us off of them. Thinking who can I talk to about what I do. Even high end ladies have clients who demand more because they pay more. More money might mean getting her to do more degrading acts. The big spenders spend but they also demand more.

Don't get me wrong there are a number of good ladies and a number if good clients like some if us. But understand we are an exceptions to the rule. I can see it in how the hounds were released on this young lady and the personal attacks on her regarding her size or her background or her services. Attacking her is the reason why she got like that. People like us that made her express her feelings like that. I don't blame her. I have been ripped off more times than I care to remember. No need to get bitter and blame them. I am the pathetic piece of crap that wanted to pay her to do and say what I wanted her to do. So being ripped off was what I deserved. I seek it out and when I get it I should not be surprised. It was not what I was looking for but if you are going to dig for gold you better be prepared to get dirty.

I will try an agency lady or a new girl to try and give them a good experience. But I am pure evil for showing them a bright spot in a dark hole. Am I contributing to their demise by giving them a glimpse of something that is rare? I have been doing this for nearly 30 years. I have seen some wonderful ladies. I have seen some bad one. I hope they remember me as a good client. But my experiences with them is rare as most use them like they use us. It breeds that sickness. Screening helps the SP and Perb/terb and other boards help screen but I feel bad for these young ladies that reflect what Ms Green had to endure.

Guy don't be so quick to attack. Don't be so fast to jump into personal rant. We need tp be more understanding. We need to understand respect is needed even more so for those who are most harshly seen.

I wish I could have taken Ms Green out for a nice dinner and let her sucker me into paying her more so that she could see we are not all jaded. There is good in the world.

I want something - I want to feel I am a good person. I want to feel loved, wanted, desired, I want to be held, I want someone to make love to me, and in exchanged I am willing to pay. It seems like a fair exchange of money for value. At least from where I stand.

I agree with a lot of what you have said Dickson but I don't think the attitude is universal at "the lower end". I have encountered it at the medium and higher end price scales too. You get a sense when you are being entertained by scripted movements at critical times during an hour long date. As an experienced pooner I can see what is coming up next or even ten minutes from now. They are Pro's and manage their time so we get entertained, they get the cash and then we leave. The differentiating attribute is if one loves their job or hates it which can happen at low, medium or high price scales.

To be fair to Nicole, she was working for a group that really pushed volume and it was competitive within their group with X number of incalls in the area. I actively visited that group whenever my plan A or plan B didn't materialize. I got to know a few of them on a more personal level. I'd say 95% were not going to university and never will but they were advertised as "students". It was either doing this job for some fast cash or competing for lower paying jobs in stores or restaurants IMHO.

Now I enjoy seeing bonafide students and they openly talk about their end game which might be a degree or profession which requires more than four years of university. We both understand that the time I see them is limited and one day the emails or texts might go unanswered. These girls are golden in my book because they know how to earn good money in a short amount of time to fulfil their educational bank accounts. I recently saw an SP whom I have seen probably 20+ times and she said she had funded all of her university tuition for five years. Now she is seeing maybe one client a week because she wants to not because she has to.

 

[Dickson]

Yea BBB you are right the high end ladies also have issues as well. Especially over time. I bet it wears on you. That is why we need to understand that and respect them for what they do.

Yea students are beat. Emelia or Summer Love are such girl. Nice lady going to school. But once she is done she will be done.

I feel for them as it has to be hard to leave this life behind. The money and the freedom. One told me that she felt lucky to see guys at their best and the guys get to see her at her best. But over time I notice the ladies drop off the desire to look their best and guys just want in and out. Depends on the clients.

Any way you look at it this is not easy. Just be aware and understand. So many be now some people will understand why I do what I do.

 

[1nitestan]

I think everyone has felt the way 'Nicole Greene' has felt in some way or another. Some of us hate our jobs whenever we come across a shitty deal or a stupid client or simply bad office politics. It's one thing to experience (normal part of working) this. It's another to lash out at ALL of your clients. It's another thing entirely to have a bad experience (or two or three) sour your outlook for your job or career completely. A that point it's time to leave. Most people enjoy their jobs despite the bullshit. If it's simply a paycheck, then start considering your options.

 

[girth-brooks]

I think people forget that this industry is just entertainment. There is a monetary exchange for two people to enjoy themselves. For me, a bit of class on my end - and the SPs - makes it so much more enjoyable. In the case of Nicole Green's 'farewell' statement, it just came across as classless. I have never seen her and know nothing of the context of the reason behind it (and really don't care). I have been very lucky over the years to have most experiences that I've had go very well about 95% of the time. When I decide to put this hobby down I sure do not plan to blast all the SPs out there based on the other 5%. It's all about respect.

 

[Cock Throppled]

After reading the Nicole Green post I got thinking.

Come on guys why trash her. The reality is 80 to 90% of the ladies at the lower end and mid level SPs, SW, Agency Girls are like her. I have seen thousands of ladies in this business and it is sad but most if not all are in it for the money. There is a few who are exceptions. But that is very rare. We pay them to smile at us, tell us what we want to hear and screw us then tell us we are wonderful. But after the few hours are done they are out of there and they start again with the next guy. Maybe every once in a while a guy comes along with windshield washer fluid or a little gift. And it lights up their day. But most guys are in and out especially the one hour or half hour crowd. Our hope is to get the most out of them and they get the most out of us. It is a game. We fool ourself if we think it is anything but. However every once in a while a real SP shows up and blows us away. Like wise every once in a while a real gentleman shows up and wows the SP.

I guess that is why I do what I do to make it memorable for me and to I hope make it special for the SP. And if I stumble across the right one look out. I try to find something to make it special by taking them away, giving them new clothes, giving them a romantic adventure. I know after they are done with me they go back to their apartment or hole in the wall. Trying to make ends meet. Looking after their kids, or a dead end job with a boss they hate. They go home to wash us off of them. Thinking who can I talk to about what I do. Even high end ladies have clients who demand more because they pay more. More money might mean getting her to do more degrading acts. The big spenders spend but they also demand more.

Don't get me wrong there are a number of good ladies and a number if good clients like some if us. But understand we are an exceptions to the rule. I can see it in how the hounds were released on this young lady and the personal attacks on her regarding her size or her background or her services. Attacking her is the reason why she got like that. People like us that made her express her feelings like that. I don't blame her. I have been ripped off more times than I care to remember. No need to get bitter and blame them. I am the pathetic piece of crap that wanted to pay her to do and say what I wanted her to do. So being ripped off was what I deserved. I seek it out and when I get it I should not be surprised. It was not what I was looking for but if you are going to dig for gold you better be prepared to get dirty.

I will try an agency lady or a new girl to try and give them a good experience. But I am pure evil for showing them a bright spot in a dark hole. Am I contributing to their demise by giving them a glimpse of something that is rare? I have been doing this for nearly 30 years. I have seen some wonderful ladies. I have seen some bad one. I hope they remember me as a good client. But my experiences with them is rare as most use them like they use us. It breeds that sickness. Screening helps the SP and Perb/terb and other boards help screen but I feel bad for these young ladies that reflect what Ms Green had to endure.

Guy don't be so quick to attack. Don't be so fast to jump into personal rant. We need tp be more understanding. We need to understand respect is needed even more so for those who are most harshly seen.

I wish I could have taken Ms Green out for a nice dinner and let her sucker me into paying her more so that she could see we are not all jaded. There is good in the world.

I want something - I want to feel I am a good person. I want to feel loved, wanted, desired, I want to be held, I want someone to make love to me, and in exchanged I am willing to pay. It seems like a fair exchange of money for value. At least from where I stand.

That are a number of demeaning statemements in there.

 

[Dickson]

That are a number of demeaning statemements in there.

My apology if anything in here comes across as demeaning. It is the reality as I see it after years of being in this hobby. It is not nice. We can not change the world but we can change our behaviors. I have tried to do that with the way I treat the SPs.

 

[hornygandalf]

That are a number of demeaning statemements in there.

Hmmm... I puzzled a bit over this one and wondered what you were referring to. Dickson described himself as " the pathetic piece of crap that wanted to pay her to do and say what I wanted her to do", but that was a self-deprecating statement, and one not accepted at its face value by everyone on this board. Otherwise, I thought this was a pretty straight and unvarnished view of the reality of the business. I don't believe there was any intention to demean in there.

 

[Dickson]

Hmmm... I puzzled a bit over this one and wondered what you were referring to. Dickson described himself as " the pathetic piece of crap that wanted to pay her to do and say what I wanted her to do", but that was a self-deprecating statement, and one not accepted at its face value by everyone on this board. Otherwise, I thought this was a pretty straight and unvarnished view of the reality of the business. I don't believe there was any intention to demean in there.

Oh Wise horny one. You caught me on this one. The point being we think we are holly than thou. In reality we are no better hiring these souls to do as we request. We don't like it but we reassure each other, console each other and justify what we do. I personally tell myself if I give them all these thinks and show them things they will enjoy playing the roles I ask them.

After read the Nicole Green letter I causes me to reflect to rethink. What fantasy am I promoting. Yes the few SPs I see enjoy the experience and are willing participants. I say that too myself. Then I think of Ms Green. Do I contribute to her out come. How does that make you feel Horny my man.

I guess I been in this too long. I tend to over think things. I would never want any SP I see feel like that after seeing me. Just as I do not want to feel hustled. Bit it may not be what I see or what to believe. It just is. So I only can control what I do and the experience I have.

Oh hell what Am I thinking. Life is too short to be having this kind discussion. For give me Horny. Moment of weakness.

 

[hornygandalf]

Oh hell what Am I thinking. Life is too short to be having this kind discussion. For give me Horny. Moment of weakness.

We should have dinner next time you are in Vancouver and talk stuff like this through. I too tend to overthink things way too much...

If you have never met Ms. Green, you are not contributing to her outcome. Many of us do our research and due diligence before approaching a lady, and so the impact that we have maybe different in part due to the ladies we play with. For others, it is simply a quick fuck of someone they like the look of online... whoever may be convenient at the time, then indeed they may well be contributing to the outcomes of those such as Ms Green.

 

[Cappa]

Bravo, Dickson. What a classy thing to say!

Don't get defensive even when someone like Nicole dishes the insults first. Top-notch advice from someone that's historically has shown no negativity in an internet argument.

Well, I do hope you can follow up with what you said though about the dinner. Not necessarily with Ms. Green, but surely, there must be many more hustlers in the world that can use your <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">money</span> company. I recommend Frenchie. She's right up your alley for all your intent and purposes. She upsells at every opportunity and can really give you that exhilarating "sucker me" experience.

 

[Dickson]

Bravo, Dickson. What a classy thing to say!

Don't get defensive even when someone like Nicole dishes the insults first. Top-notch advice from someone that's historically has shown no negativity in an internet argument.

Well, I do hope you can follow up with what you said though about the dinner. Not necessarily with Ms. Green, but surely, there must be many more hustlers in the world that can use your <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">money</span> company. I recommend Frenchie. She's right up your alley for all your intent and purposes. She upsells at every opportunity and can really give you that exhilarating "sucker me" experience.

Well Cappa,

I have been sucker punched more times that I care to remember. Once years ago I brought a young lady into TO for a weekend. She had a broken arm. I felt bad she told me she fell roller blading. As it turned out her boy friend broke her arm with a broom stick. I told her I did not think it was a good idea for her to see him again. She then told me she was pregnant with his baby. Well needless to say I slept on the couch for the next few days and she had my bed. She had no where to go so I let her stay in my condo. I was travelling and back in a few weeks.

Well when I got back my condo was empty. She left me a spoon and a pair of socks. My lawyer wanted to chaser down but what for. It was just stuff but I never saw that coming. Learned never to take a SP to your place. Even in Berlin I rent a suite at the Mandalay. Never again in my place.

Another time I saw a SP for a few years. She lived in her mother's basement with her two boys. Got close with her. She was willing to live out my fantasy of having a family. So I bought a house on the west island of Montreal. She moved in with her boys. It was great until about a year in. Her ex showed up in the living room while I was out of town. The deadbeat dad left her with the kids never paid a penny. Left his kids with nothing. Then when they took his passport away he comes to her and want her to help him.

I told her to throw him out. She said he was the father of the boys. I left her. He mortgaged the house to the max and with in 6 months lost the house. He fucked off back to Asia. She had to sell the jeep I bought her to get bus passes back to Vancouver. I never took her calls again. Lost track of her. So being hustle is more common than you think. I laugh when a lady tells me it is an extra $50.00. Sister if you only knew.

Don't get me wrong I don't like to be hustled. But it happens all the time. Recently a lady was to play the part of a room service bring up sushi. So I paid her the $300. But she never showed. Told me it was that time if month. Then another starting chatting wanted to join me for dinner. Then she wanted me to pay her dinner rate. Another was going to play the part of my personal assistant she did some research on the part. She ended up seeing the guy I wanted to surprise. So had to cancel. She wanted to get paid for her time. Offered to give her the $100. Then she agreed to met so I could pay her. Now she wanted the fee for the social time another $200.00. Hustle, come on guys that is what it is all about. We hustle them they hustle us.

It is rare to find a SP that dies not on the hustle. But if you know going in your ok.

Remember in real life it is the same thing you just don't know it. It hurts there because you don't expect it. Here it is sounds like a freight train with the horn at full blast. But people still get hit by trains.

 

[Dickson]

We should have dinner next time you are in Vancouver and talk stuff like this through. I too tend to overthink things way too much...

If you have never met Ms. Green, you are not contributing to her outcome. Many of us do our research and due diligence before approaching a lady, and so the impact that we have maybe different in part due to the ladies we play with. For others, it is simply a quick fuck of someone they like the look of online... whoever may be convenient at the time, then indeed they may well be contributing to the outcomes of those such as Ms Green.

Like that idea. What is your dinner date rate.LOL.

 

[hornygandalf]

Like that idea. What is your dinner date rate.LOL.

Hehehe... I've been known to offer my time pro bono more times than I probably should... particularly given the value some have found as a result of my ideas.
Would need to be an evening I'm not teaching.

 

[hornygandalf]

Like that idea. What is your dinner date rate.LOL.

Or maybe you come accompanied by your favourite Vancouver lady. I'd like to meet Ms. James.