Yes, experience, and opinion based on this experience - isn't it what really counts? If you can point out where I could experience reasonable prices combined with acceptable services in Metro Vancouver, I would be happy to follow your advice...
Question re: tipping
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A client who pays the exact amount is very 'generous'.
And why should I care about SP's 'preferential treatment'? SP should be happy if come back at all and give her preferential treatment! It's pure economics.Tipping is not about economics...It's about paying extra for outstanding service.
Generosity is subjective to the person giving the tip, as well as the person who may receive it.
Preferential treatment is never given to a client who at least would acknowledge the extra effort, the young ladies are most certainly in a service industry, and don't consider a pat on the bum as a tip.....If you as a client, go above the required rates, you may find the young lady your sharing time with, might do the same.
They are people with lives, payments, feelings, and pride....I would assume that a little extra, would get some acknowledgement from most of them.
If it doesn't ,then don't repeat.
Generosity is subjective to the person giving the tip, as well as the person who may receive it.
Preferential treatment is never given to a client who at least would acknowledge the extra effort, the young ladies are most certainly in a service industry, and don't consider a pat on the bum as a tip.....If you as a client, go above the required rates, you may find the young lady your sharing time with, might do the same.
They are people with lives, payments, feelings, and pride....I would assume that a little extra, would get some acknowledgement from most of them.
If it doesn't ,then don't repeat.
Yes, experience, and opinion based on this experience - isn't it what really counts? If you can point out where I could experience reasonable prices combined with acceptable services in Metro Vancouver, I would be happy to follow your advice...
I thought I remembered some rather strong opinions on this matter from phreak before. It was his thread on the topic that got locked by the mods last time after it degenerated.A client who pays the exact amount is very 'generous'.
The rates (profit margins) for any decent service are unreasonably high (considering the average income of Metro Vancouver residents), so a client paying the exact amount is, in fact, being very generous.
Correct. I just want to remind you that I was not the one who 'degenerated' it...
I don't mind paying a tip if I feel like I'll likely repeat with the same lady because this will increase the chance of her remembering me and can potentially get even better service the next time. My question is when and how the ladies' would like to receive it or when you other guys' like to give it. Do you give prior to or after the session? Do you just leave it on the table or just awkwardly hand a $20 bill to her or slip it into her bra/panties afterward?
If service sucks, no tip will help. If service is good, it will be good tip or no tip. Or it may become even better with repeats. As it was mentioned earlier in this thread - repeat is the best tip.
Don't try to please ladies - you are the one paying, so they are in the business of pleasing you! Leaving a tip is definitely inappropriate, but leaving a tip prior to the session is absolute insanity - why would you do that?
Tipping is a personal preference- some of us do and some of us don't- for our own reasons- across all service sectors. Making a blanket statement that with SPs it is " always inappropriate" is one opinion, which I personally think is BS, but to each their own. We could go back and forth for days and never agree, so why waste the time or effort arguing?
Tipping beforehand I agree is ludicrous. Why would anybody tip for a service not yet performed? I've brought small gifts, wine etc. on occasion with SPs I've established a certain relationship with, but only ever do I pay the agreed upon rate to them upfront. The rate should always be assumed to cover a first-rate experience. It's not like we ever get a refund for shit service, right?
When tipping afterwards, if I feel it's appropriate for a session that's gone above and beyond, I simply hand over a little cash on my way out- no big ceremony or whatever. Just a "Thank you, here's a little coffee money, get yourself a treat sometime" or something to that effect- light and breezey. If one finds it "awkward", then just don't do it. Tips should never be expected.
I will also agree that repeating with an SP is great tip- but if you want to do a bit more then have at it.
Tipping beforehand I agree is ludicrous. Why would anybody tip for a service not yet performed? I've brought small gifts, wine etc. on occasion with SPs I've established a certain relationship with, but only ever do I pay the agreed upon rate to them upfront. The rate should always be assumed to cover a first-rate experience. It's not like we ever get a refund for shit service, right?
When tipping afterwards, if I feel it's appropriate for a session that's gone above and beyond, I simply hand over a little cash on my way out- no big ceremony or whatever. Just a "Thank you, here's a little coffee money, get yourself a treat sometime" or something to that effect- light and breezey. If one finds it "awkward", then just don't do it. Tips should never be expected.
I will also agree that repeating with an SP is great tip- but if you want to do a bit more then have at it.
I am one who generally tips before the session in hopes that the session will go well... As you said, absolute insanity! I then have no idea if the service I got was because I was so fresh and clean, because I was so polite, or if it was just because I tossed another 20 in the envelope...I tip because it is a VERY personal service, and if they have pleased me, they deserve a little extra. Sometimes I will tip the first time, because I don't know if I will be a regular of the girl or not, then when I repeat I wont tip every time because also being a repeat is a good tip too. Mind you there was a girl I saw over 15 times that I tipped every time, somedays more than others, because of the incredible service she provided, and how comfortable she made me feel. This is a human service, yes when you pay $250/hr and are unsatisfied it can very disappointing, but the girl that put her self through that for you should always be treated with respect. Yes, you probably won't tip a surgeon on a $5000 surgery, but you might tip a tattoo artist on a $500 tatoo, or a hairstylist on a $50 haircut, because they did a great job and made you look good. Well these girls made you feel good, isn't that deserving of a little extra?
Leaving a tip or not has nothing to do with treating a girl with respect. You may never leave any tips and still treat your SP with all the respect she deserves.
If you pay $250/hr, you definitely leave her with huge pure (tax free - you pay cash with no receipt) profit. No need for tips - you already generously paid for everything: her expenses, sex, entertainment, etc. In other words, you may consider that a tip is already included in the regular rate.
Do you realize that a girl working full time normally has at least 5 clients a day? That's more than 1K a day tax free. That's more than 20K a month and 250K a year. Likely way more than that, but even with this rate she doesn't need your tips! If she is smart enough not to blow the money on drugs and other BS, she can easily buy real estate without any mortgage. Why don't you start tipping people who drive band new 700 series BMW? They would definitely appreciate extra cash for gas, right? If you really have some extra cash to waste on tipping SPs, better give it to a homeless person instead...
Why don't you capitalize on your business analysis by opening a BMW dealership. Just imagine, thousands on Vancouver SPs shopping for a new 700 series BMW, it's like free money coming to you. You'd be able to even tip them sometimes by throwing in a free car wash.
Yes, nothing like free entertainment. Oh, but wait... we're all seeing upwards of 5 clients a day, maybe we should be paying him for these laughs? Let me just get in my new 700 series whatever and drive over to him right now to deliver it.You're such a funny man. Your posts make me LOL a lot!
To the OP and all those curious; like it's been said before, tips are never expected though always appreciated. With regulars I hardly ever count the exchange until after they're gone so likely wouldn't notice an upfront tip (though they'd probably get a thank you text or email!). Little tokens of appreciation are always well received. I don't think I provide "better" service for these unexpected gifts-- I would like to think I provide great service for everyone who is respectful, kind, and clean.
If you're going to tip after I would suggest to leave it somewhere where she will notice or see you placing it down.
I have a regular who typically brings extra things to our dates. He's super thoughtful and really listens when we chat.... one time it was a Chapters gift card because I had mentioned I was in a reading lull. Another time it was Oyama charcuterie and cheese. Once he even brought a gift card to a pet store for my kitty lol. On our most recent date he brought two emergency preparedness kits (one for my house and one for my condo) because the last time we were together we were chatting about the imminent earthquake. I don't think he was ever bringing these favours in hopes of me pushing my boundaries (I'm pretty firm with my limited restrictions), he's just a really kind person. I certainly don't expect him to always bear gifts, but it does make it interesting to wonder what he will show up with next.
Just be a courteous client and don't haggle with rates. Tips are optional.
Hmmm... yes, it is true that the ladies are in the business of pleasing us, but my experience has been that you give them a little surprise upfront (and I prefer it to be a small, thoughtfully chosen gift rather than a tip), you increase the chances that they will put in an extra effort to please you, rather than just renting their orifices to another john who needs to get off. And it gives me considerable satisfaction to see my ladies happy/delighted, etc. That all is part of the experience for me.
Tips themselves I generally will keep for those at the lower-end of the price spectrum, where they are clearly part of a stable of other ladies as well and probably only getting a portion of the door fee. It think they are the ones who need it.
Thank you Claire ... I was starting to feel 'insane' due to this thread because I always tip up front with the donation envelope (actually always some kind of Thank You or friendship card). It always felt like it would be awkward tipping later. So it is good to know the way I do it is a normal and acceptable practice. Maybe I have just been fortunate, but I haven't had a lady count up the donation in front of me. But maybe one did when I went to the bathroom, guess I will never know!
Wow. Many interesting opinions and all.
When i see asian SPs at micros, i tip even if it is $20 unless service sucked (in a bad way). The happy look on their face for $20 is worth the admission. Plus at the low cost of micro, the SP only makes 50% of what we are paying.
When i see independent SPs (at usually higher prices) i dont tip unless she provided something amazing beyond my expectations.
When they become regular SPs, i bring something small (gift card, etc)
The story.
I went to see a massage girl for the first time. Reviews were good. Reviews said HE is available (though no mention of $). I was really looking for a good massage so either way i was fine.
Price of massage was $70.
Her massage was great. She touched everywhere (like every single inches) except the Mr. Jr and twins.
Ir was such that i was sure HE was to follow but it didnt.
During the last few min. I grabbed her ass and ask her about HE. She was surprised i wanted one and said that's a different type of massage service.
She was willing to provide one but at $70 (same price as another hr of massage!) - which i rather get another hr.
Tried to talk her down to 50 but no dice.
When i was leaving, she stopped me and said "excuse me? You need to pay tips"
While shocked, i had to decide whether to give $20 or $5 bills i had in my pocket.
When i see asian SPs at micros, i tip even if it is $20 unless service sucked (in a bad way). The happy look on their face for $20 is worth the admission. Plus at the low cost of micro, the SP only makes 50% of what we are paying.
When i see independent SPs (at usually higher prices) i dont tip unless she provided something amazing beyond my expectations.
When they become regular SPs, i bring something small (gift card, etc)
The story.
I went to see a massage girl for the first time. Reviews were good. Reviews said HE is available (though no mention of $). I was really looking for a good massage so either way i was fine.
Price of massage was $70.
Her massage was great. She touched everywhere (like every single inches) except the Mr. Jr and twins.
Ir was such that i was sure HE was to follow but it didnt.
During the last few min. I grabbed her ass and ask her about HE. She was surprised i wanted one and said that's a different type of massage service.
She was willing to provide one but at $70 (same price as another hr of massage!) - which i rather get another hr.
Tried to talk her down to 50 but no dice.
When i was leaving, she stopped me and said "excuse me? You need to pay tips"
While shocked, i had to decide whether to give $20 or $5 bills i had in my pocket.
I would never tip cash. That's so cold and impersonal. The opposite of this business.
I only tip in industries that make less than me, not more. I have brought gifts if they impressed me enough to repeat thou.
A lady has no right to ask if you don't provide one.
