Firing of Shawn Simoes for off-duty 'FHRITP' video reflects employment trend

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How can people like Shawn Simoes be this stupid? Now he's out of a more than a 100K a year job! Not so funny now guys!

Firing of Shawn Simoes for off-duty 'FHRITP' video reflects employment trend

By Erin Obourn, CBC News



The dismissal of a Hydro One engineer for his involvement in the vulgar disruption of a female reporter is the latest example of employers firing employees for their conduct outside of work, according to employment lawyers.

Hydro One engineer Shawn Simoes was among a group of men who hurled obscenities at Shauna Hunt, a CityNews reporter covering a Toronto FC soccer game on Sunday.

Video of Hunt confronting the men, one of whom yelled "F--k her right in the p---y," went viral. Two days later Hydro One announced the termination of Simoes.


Simoes is shown in the video calling his friend's use of FHRITP — a popular trend of heckling female journalists— hilarious before telling the reporter she is lucky they didn't have a vibrator.

"Hydro One is taking steps to terminate the employee for violating our Code of Conduct," Daffyd Roderick, the company's director of corporate affairs, said in a statement. "Respect for all people is engrained in the code and our values. We are committed to a work environment where discrimination or harassment of any type is met with zero tolerance."

There is an increasing trend towards off-duty conduct being used to justify dismissal if it is captured and shared through social media, said Carman Overholt, an employment lawyer and founder of Overholt Law Barristers & Solicitors.

'There is no privacy'

Employers have fired employees who were caught acting inappropriately outside work, even if they were unaware they were being filmed, recorded or photographed.

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"Look what happened to Donald Sterling. His girlfriend was privately taping him and it made him a national embarrassment," said Howard Levitt, a senior partner at Levitt and Grosman LLP and an expert on employment law. "There is no privacy. This is the least privacy we've had in history."

Hunt told CBC's As It Happens that her intent was not to vilify her hecklers.

"They're just an example of hundreds and hundreds of men that have been doing this to reporters in Toronto for the past two years."

Line between on-duty, off-duty less clear

Hydro One is likely justified in their decision to fire Simoes, lawyers said.

Traditionally, a company's code of conduct would not cover off-duty actions, Overholt said.

"That said, there are certain kinds of extremely offensive and shocking off-duty conduct that may make the continuation of the employment relationship impossible."



Workers can be fired for behaviour outside work if it damages the reputation of their employer, he said.

After the riots that swept Vancouver in 2011 following the Canucks' defeat in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals, a photo of a woman looting Sears was spotted online by her employer and she was subsequently let go.

"The line between on-duty and off-duty is not as clear as it once was due to social media," Overholt said. "Behaviour outside of work may very well justify a form of discipline, including dismissal."

Employees who are in a position in which they are publicly connected to their employer to the degree that their behaviour is deemed detrimental to the company brand can face dismissal for such behaviour.

"If you are an employee sitting in anonymity in a warehouse somewhere, it's less likely you would be publicly connected to that brand," Levitt said.

Unionized employees shouldn't consider themselves better protected, he said.

"Unions can say they don't want to be a part of a case," Levitt said. "They don't have to take cases they don't believe in."

Justified discipline in the workplace is considered on a case-by-case basis, lawyers say. The contextual approach considers other factors like language of the code of conduct, company policy, the employee's work history and terms of employment.

Offences don't have to be work-related

In Calgary, police have gone on the offensive and deemed the FHRITP trend a crime. "This activity constitutes grounds for a charge and arrest," read a statement.

There are numerous charges that could be laid from FHRITP disruptions, Toronto police said, including breach of the peace, sexual harassment and mischief.

Had the men in Sunday's video been charged, it also could be grounds for dismissal.

In the case of Kelly v. Linamar Corporation, a 2005 Ontario lawsuit, an IT employee was charged with possession of child pornography using his own computer and acting entirely on his own time. It was not related to work, but he was subsequently fired.

A judge sided with Linamar that the worker's termination was justified, because of concern over the impact on the workplace and the reputation of the employer in the community.

Levitt suggests employees, as a rule of thumb, assume they can get fired for inappropriate conduct everywhere they go.

See more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/fir...itp-video-reflects-employment-trend-1.3071919
 
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Not sure I agree.

Freedom of speech laws allow a lot of stuff (FUCKIT, Fuck The Police or I'm With Shithead T-shirts).

He could argue it was a generic comment not directed at anyone specifically and that it was a fad and give examples of it happening over and over with no consequences.

Personally, I think the phrase is stupid, offensive and totally unfunny except to 12-year-olds, so don't know how this genius scored a hundred grand job, but I'd like to see the firing stick.

Maybe it will put a dagger into the trend.
 

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It comes close to encouraging an actual sexual assault. One of the idiots says something about "You're lucky we don't have a vibrator".
Which means what exactly? That they think it would be funny to assault her with it?
Good to see their faces and antics posted all over. I bet they don't act so tough in front of their mommies and wives.
Props to the lady for not tolerating their shit!


Damn right that guy should be fired. If you are his employer it makes you wonder how he will act if he is out on a visit to a supplier or subcontractor. How does he interact with female employees in the workplace? I posted here about a guy we had who was well educated from Egypt, but refused to take instruction from females.
We also had a Polish guy who was worse, great worker but constantly leering at women, hiding behind pillars and staring at them, he started sitting in our gym on breaks pretending to read magazines so he could watch women work out. He was interviewed and the situation and consequences were explained. He refused to take and heed and insisted there was nothing wrong with what he did. Paper trail started and soon he was gone.
You just cannot allow that shit, as an employer these guys are just ticking time bombs for harrassment claims.
 

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I was amazed by how many times the phrase was played unedited on air, same with Elizabeth May's F-bomb in her speech the other night.
 

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Freedom of speech laws allow a lot of stuff (FUCKIT, Fuck The Police or I'm With Shithead T-shirts).
Freedom of speech is so oft misunderstood. It's freedom from government reprisal. It is not a freedom from consequence. If you utter threats the threat can be prosecuted.

But in this situation it's much more straightforward. When you get a job, you sign an employment agreement. The agreement may bind you to a Code of Conduct. Violate that term and you violate the employment agreement. End of employment. End of story. This is not some hothead response by the company. This is the measured opinion of the professionals who drafted that agreement.

I once had to fire someone for violating the Code of Conduct (different situation but still). It's not like J. Jonah Jameson and his hair trigger. The decision involved our COO, legal counsel, HR, etc. all deliberating on the finer points of our responsibility, risk, and authority to do so before one word is uttered on the record.
 

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Freedom of speech is so oft misunderstood. It's freedom from government reprisal. It is not a freedom from consequence. If you utter threats the threat can be prosecuted.
On a side note, freedom of speech is a much different beast in Canada than in the States. Not only is it, usually, falsely used as an excuse in America, but it is also different in what it protects in Canada.
 

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Freedom of speech is so oft misunderstood. It's freedom from government reprisal. It is not a freedom from consequence. If you utter threats the threat can be prosecuted.

But in this situation it's much more straightforward. When you get a job, you sign an employment agreement. The agreement may bind you to a Code of Conduct. Violate that term and you violate the employment agreement. End of employment. End of story. This is not some hothead response by the company. This is the measured opinion of the professionals who drafted that agreement.

I once had to fire someone for violating the Code of Conduct (different situation but still). It's not like J. Jonah Jameson and his hair trigger. The decision involved our COO, legal counsel, HR, etc. all deliberating on the finer points of our responsibility, risk, and authority to do so before one word is uttered on the record.
Thank you! Know what you are signing before you sign anything, and in this day and age, don't EVER make the mistake of thinking "No one's ever going to see this; what does it matter?" Doubly so when you are already in the presence of not just smart phone cameras but, you know, ACTUAL television cameras! His behaviour violated the terms of human conduct, never mind an employee Code of Conduct. Of course, it also does well to counteract "No one will ever believe you: it's your word against mine!" which is what bullying shitheads like him always depend upon. The reality is, he obviously gets away with saying shit like that all the time, because no one has ever fed his balls back to him before. I hope he's enjoying how they taste.
 

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I applaud Hydro One for upholding its code of conduct.
but maybe a warning should have been issued by the employer instead.
a suspension without pay would probably suffice.

for members here who own their own biz and have employees,
how would you have handled this matter?
 

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I applaud Hydro One for upholding its code of conduct.
but maybe a warning should have been issued by the employer instead.
a suspension without pay would probably suffice.

for members here who own their own biz and have employees,
how would you have handled this matter?
What would the warning be? If you engage in this sort of behaviour, make sure you don't caught? People who allow this sort of behaviour to go unpunished save a warning means people will continue thinking it's OK to behave this way!
 

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I applaud Hydro One for upholding its code of conduct.
but maybe a warning should have been issued by the employer instead.
a suspension without pay would probably suffice.
Was this completely out of character or a culminating incident? He may have never done anything like this before. Or he may have a history of harrassing every female in the building.

Edited after talking to a few people smarter than me...if he signed a code of conduct agreement he's gone.

Lots of public support for the firing too, nice to see that.
 
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While the firing and possible grievance are legal issues, the notion that a professional, as opposed to a teenager, would do this on camera is beyond comprehension for me. Of course with current technology everything we do is potentially recordable.

If I was running a private company trying to figure out how to deal with private behaviour would be a challenge but in this case given the person knew it was being filmed I would either have let him go or use it as a teachable moment for the organization to come to grips with sexist behaviour.
 

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It comes close to encouraging an actual sexual assault. One of the idiots says something about "You're lucky we don't have a vibrator".
Which means what exactly? That they think it would be funny to assault her with it?
He was referring to another FHRITP video from England where the idiot waved a vibrator while he said it.

I think that one was actually directed at a male reporter. But I agree - it could be construed as a threat.
 

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. But I agree - it could be construed as a threat.
It would certain be intimidating for the woman, coming from a bunch of drunken scumbags.

A bunch of drunks can get ugly in a flash, we've all seen it happen.
 

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good luck to this POS in trying to get another job. Unless he has some rare skill set he will be lucky to get a job at McDonalds
 

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here's a suggestion....the tv stations could hire people to accompany the journalists who conduct these interviews.I'm thinking here of UFC&MMA types.
they could be hired on an hourly basis, low pay, but,with luck, an excellent opportunity to practise their skills,eg. kicks,chimeras,etc.

naturally, the PC types would shriek,as only they can,about the rights,etc. of these morons."they could get hurt!" yes, they could also behave in a civil way.

I view this idea as win-win..i.e.

A) the douchebags have enough sense to behave(admittedly doubtful, if these scumbags were any denser they'd need to be watered twice a day)

B) the cretins keep behaving like in the video, the "helpers" are activated, and we get free entertainment.
 

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thyey said it was fun to do...what are they fucking idiot teenagers? Sounds stupid, makes you look really stupid, and now makes you unemployed...perfect
 

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If he is this big a douchebag in public, when he knows he is on TV, imagine how he treats the women he works with.
 
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