Extraordinary Animals

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[Lo-ki]

Made my day..

Thank you

 

[grusse]

after watching the video it doesn't look as if ol' Jonas is suffering unduly.I'd almost think he's enjoying the interaction with his "captors"

I missed the part that said Jonas had been de-clawed.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

after watching the video it doesn't look as if ol' Jonas is suffering unduly.I'd almost think he's enjoying the interaction with his "captors"

Because you can tell just by looking at him in a short video that he's cool with being mutilated? Do you speak cat or communicate telepathically with him? Do tell.

And if he looks fine from what you can tell, that would automatically make it ethical and okay?

I missed the part that said Jonas had been de-clawed.

"Captive tigers and lions, among other zoo animals, are often exploited for gimmicky photoshoots and photo-ops. The Bowmanville Zoos star tiger Jonas (who was featured in the movie*Life of Pi) would go home with the zoo staff and play with their dogs – of course he couldn’t do this unless he was declawed."


https://heatherclemenceau.wordpress...oo-exotic-cats-get-a-reprieve-from-declawing/

From October 2014:

"This is the first time in 30 years the Bowmanville Zoo will not be declawing its big cats. "

"The change in policy will mean zoo staff will have to look into how they manage their large cats in the future."

“As they get older they can get quite aggressive so we’ll have to figure that out,” said Mr. Hackenberger.


http://m.durhamregion.com/news-story/4890276-bowmanville-zoo-drops-plan-to-declaw-lions-and-tigers

There's really nothing ethical about butchering animals like that.

" A lion or tiger can never grow back its claws after a declawing.

This once common practice, now hotly contested, doesn’t just clip the nail close so it doesn’t continue to regenerate. It amputates the feline’s digit at the last knuckle.*Since 2003, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) has opposed declawing for non-medical reasons in wild and exotic felines, and even strengthened their position in 2012 from “opposes” to “condemns”.

Following this lead, the*USDA Animal and Plant Inspection Service (APHIS) declared in 2006 that this practice, unless prescribed by an attending veterinarian for necessary treatment, is unacceptable, and those licensees who continue to routinely preform these procedures could be cited with the potential for enforcement action.*

Many housecats have been declawed in an attempt to stave off the risk of ruining furniture, and in the case of big cats, to protect trainers and owners in the case of an accidental or playful swat making dangerous contact. (Trainers, of course, know that this is a false sense of security as the cat could still easily cause serious damage with their teeth, as they do to kill prey in the wild.)

Research shows that newly declawed cats shift their body weight backward onto the large central pad of the front feet and off the toes. This often produces an altered gait, causing stress on the leg joints and spine, and results in painful arthritis.

..

With declawing, the damage is essentially irreversible. Trying to strip an animal from its natural defenses or attributes to make them fit a mold we’ve created is far worse than “unacceptable,” it’s disgraceful.

Educate yourself on the issue; And if you choose to patronize a venue that exhibits big cats, especially in performances, please consider what the animal*may have endured for such entertainment."


http://www.nationofchange.org/why-declawing-big-cats-needs-stop-now-1394639615

" There are many of those prospective exotic cat "owners" who think that declawing their cat is an fast, easy, and harmless way to alleviate the fear of being injured by the animal. However, nothing could be further from the truth.

The procedure of declawing a big cat is anything but harmless - particularly to the cat... Essentially, it is the equivalent of removing the end of a finger, from just below the first knuckle. It is a painful surgery, with a very painful recovery period, as the animals have no choice but to use their damaged paws following the process.*

Once the wounds have healed from the surgery, the terrible physical effects continue. Most often, big cats who have been declawed suffer from a gradual weakening of the muscles of the legs, shoulders, and back, impaired balance, altered posture, and abnormal walking ability (the declaw causes the cat to walk with its weight center over the read of its pads, whereas it would normally be centered closer to the front of the foot - effectively walking on its "heels" constantly).

All of these negative consequences of a declaw imply that the declaw surgery went WELL. Often times, the surgery is not perfect, and fragments of the bone that has been removed are left behind, moving around in the foot over time, which can be excruciatingly painful for the animal."


http://internationalexoticanimalsanctuary.blogspot.ca/2013/02/the-cruelties-of-declawing.html?m=1

 

[Miss*Bijou]

 

[grusse]

and you can tell just by looking at him that he is suffering?strange that ol'Jonas is so lively&friendly for an animal that is suffering.

do YOU speak cat or communicate by telepathy?

here's an idea.....why don't you cast a spell on those who keep pets you don't approve of?

 

[Miss*Bijou]

and you can tell just by looking at him that he is suffering?strange that ol'Jonas is so lively&friendly for an animal that is suffering.

do YOU speak cat or communicate by telepathy?

here's an idea.....why don't you cast a spell on those who keep pets you don't approve of?

I never claimed to be able to tell anything about the cat's state of mind. Because a couple of minutes of a home video of him as a cub doesn't really change anything about the overall question.

The question is whether or not it's ethical to declaw big cats (or any other cat) and to keep big cats (or other wild animals) as pets or in captivity (or to breed more for this purpose).

Regarding declawing: while it would make it more obvious and harder to ignore if he was visibly in pain in the video, the fact that he looks pain free doesn't change anything. If you've read the text I quoted, you are aware that even the lucky cats who are not crippled and in constant pain for life suffer other consequences as a result of the mutilation. Declawing affects all cats' health in the long run, whether or not they also experience chronic pain. That alone makes it unethical to amputate for human convenience. The cat doesn't gain anything for his mutilation, only the humans.

There's also the fact that cats and many other species can endure extremely painful injuries or diseases without humans ever suspecting anything due to the animals remaining stoic even to the point of near death or death.

I know because my own cat didn't show any sign of being in pain or unwell until the very end. When I rushed her to the clinic, the vet said her lungs were completed filled with blood and a human would never have been able to last this long.

But anyway, the point is that just because the cat doesn't look in pain to you, doesn't mean the cat is therefore not in pain.


The point is not whether I approve or disapprove of keeping wild animals as pets or in captivity. The issue is whether it can be considered ethical to do so. If you'd like to argue that it's ethical, please go ahead.


But here's an Idea for you:

Since I have absolutely no idea what purpose your comment/idea served or what relevance or value it added to the discussion, perhaps next time you could just stay on topic.

Tell us you don't care what's ethical or what's in the animal’s interests and the only thing that truly matters is what humans want. And if what they want is a big cats as a pet or as entertainment, then anything else should be irrelevant. And if mutilation makes it easier to keep wild animals as a pet, then that's all that should be important.

Or you could tell us that you weren't aware or had never really considered the issue and facts before, that you find it troubling and would give it more thought to decide where you stand on the issue.

Or you could have just said the truth: that you really didn't have any arguments or new facts to add - or just said nothing at all.

Because your 'cast a spell' comment? Pretty lame. I don't get it.

 

[Lo-ki]

This tread is about.....

"EXTRAORDINARY ANIMALS"
Lets keep it that way..

Start your own tread if you wanna talk about animal abuse, mutilation or what ever else.

Thank you

 

[grusse]

Because your 'cast a spell' comment? Pretty lame. I don't get it.[/QUOTE]


not surprised you don't get it,but if you don't get it how do you know it's lame?

hmm, why am I thinking of Shakespeare's Macbeth?how does it go...."double,double,toil and trouble"

 

[grusse]

This tread is about.....

"EXTRAORDINARY ANIMALS"
Lets keep it that way..

Start your own tread if you wanna talk about animal abuse, mutilation or what ever else.

Thank you

well said,Lo-Ki, but I doubt it'll do any good.

 

[Lo-ki]

 

[Miss*Bijou]

This tread is about.....

"EXTRAORDINARY ANIMALS"
Lets keep it that way..

Start your own tread if you wanna talk about animal abuse, mutilation or what ever else.

Thank you

Sorry, it's perfectly on topic and relevant to point out that a video offered as an example of such an extraordinary animal involves more than most people might assume. That's the thing with ethics: it's not a separate, isolated topic. It's a facet of almost any topic, and definitely most having to do with animals. If you have a problem with it, don't read it. It's that simple.

The only reason it's been longer than necessary is that instead of taking note of facts he was not aware of, grusse prefers to deny facts so he can more easily pretend they don't exist so that it doesn't challenge his current beliefs. Unfortunately he's not very successful so far which can be attributed to his inability thus far to offer much in the way of solid argument backed up by facts.

If the discussion is bothering you this much, feel free to take it up with him.

Thank you.

 

[grusse]

like I said, Lo-Ki, I don't think it'll do much good.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

like I said, Lo-Ki, I don't think it'll do much good.

Bite me grusse

 

[sybian]

With all due respect Miss Bijou...There is a long line up to "Bite" you....I know I've been waiting awhile.

 

[grusse]

Bite me grusse

you wish....things may not be great but they ain't that bad.

 

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Aquarium employee fired for sleeping with a walrus

The Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta has sparked commotion this morning, by announcing laying off their chief veterinary, Dr. Monica Alvis, accused of having sexual encounters with one of the institution’s marine mammals.

According to public relations manager Audrey Delfoy, Dr. Alvis was caught in the act, by another employee last Friday, having complete sexual encounters with a 9-year-old male walrus. Dr. Alvis would of then allegedly admitted having a total of 7 encounters with the 1700kg marine animal.

“We hold a zero tolerance policy against sexual crimes and abuse towards the animals of the aquarium,” says Miss Delfoy. “We cannot ignore an act of this nature. Dr. Alvis assumed very important responsibilities in this establishment, and replacing her will be very hard, but sleeping with a walrus is highly unethical and totally unacceptable. It’s a breach of trust and we find no other solution but to fire her.”

http://newswatch28.com/aquarium-employee-fired-for-sleeping-with-a-walrus/

 

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[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Aquarium employee fired for sleeping with a walrus

The Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta has sparked commotion this morning, by announcing laying off their chief veterinary, Dr. Monica Alvis, accused of having sexual encounters with one of the institution’s marine mammals.

According to public relations manager Audrey Delfoy, Dr. Alvis was caught in the act, by another employee last Friday, having complete sexual encounters with a 9-year-old male walrus. Dr. Alvis would of then allegedly admitted having a total of 7 encounters with the 1700kg marine animal.

“We hold a zero tolerance policy against sexual crimes and abuse towards the animals of the aquarium,” says Miss Delfoy. “We cannot ignore an act of this nature. Dr. Alvis assumed very important responsibilities in this establishment, and replacing her will be very hard, but sleeping with a walrus is highly unethical and totally unacceptable. It’s a breach of trust and we find no other solution but to fire her.”

http://newswatch28.com/aquarium-employee-fired-for-sleeping-with-a-walrus/

Just in case anyone didn't catch it...the above is a hoax.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2068110/fa...x-with-a-walrus-claims-20000-facebook-shares/

 

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