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tokugawa

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My current car is at 11 years in age and I am thinking about getting a new car this year. Currently I am leaning towards a new 2015 Subaru Forester 2.5i Limited Package.

I am curious to know what other cars should I consider? Preferably I would like a small SVU hence my choice in the Forester. Price range would be something in the mid 30K before tax. I like European but maintenance on those vehicles tend to be a lot higher. Any recommendations? I like Subaru but maybe I should try something new.

In terms of negotiation any advice out there? They offered me 6K on a trade in for my current car plus a 1K discount. The last time I bought a car was 11 years ago so I am wondering how much more room is there to negotiate? Would asking for an additional $600 discount plus $600 in accessories be out of line?

Your advice would be much appreciated.
 

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My current car is at 11 years in age and I am thinking about getting a new car this year. Currently I am leaning towards a new 2015 Subaru Forester 2.5i Limited Package.

I am curious to know what other cars should I consider? Preferably I would like a small SVU hence my choice in the Forester. Price range would be something in the mid 30K before tax. I like European but maintenance on those vehicles tend to be a lot higher. Any recommendations? I like Subaru but maybe I should try something new.

In terms of negotiation any advice out there? They offered me 6K on a trade in for my current car plus a 1K discount. The last time I bought a car was 11 years ago so I am wondering how much more room is there to negotiate? Would asking for an additional $600 discount plus $600 in accessories be out of line?

Your advice would be much appreciated.
I always sell my cars privately to take it out of the new car negotiation. I also pay a car broker to get me the car at fleet price. I've usually saved thousands on each new car purchase.

As far as the Suburu is concerned it seems like a good mid size SUV choice. When I went to check out SUV's a while ago that was one I considered. I can't recall why I went with another brand but liked the Suburu's test drive.

Edit to add: You can always get the dealer cost via a paid subscription to

https://www.carcostcanada.com/en/
 
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uncleg

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I'm in transportation and run a few different types of vehicles, my mechanic does a lot of fleet work and I mean a lot.......won't touch the Suburu. It's a bitch to work on, just the way it's designed. One job on a North American car is a four hour job on a Suburu.
 

tokugawa

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I always sell my cars privately to take it out of the new car negotiation. I also pay a car broker to get me the car at fleet price. I've usually saved thousands on each new car purchase.

As far as the Suburu is concerned it seems like a good mid size SUV choice. When I went to check out SUV's a while ago that was one I considered. I can't recall why I went with another brand but liked the Suburu's test drive.

Edit to add: You can always get the dealer cost via a paid subscription to

https://www.carcostcanada.com/en/
What car did you end up getting?

Honda CRV and Volkswagen Tiguan also look intriguing. Though maintenance costs on European vehicles scare the hell out of me.
 

tokugawa

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I'm in transportation and run a few different types of vehicles, my mechanic does a lot of fleet work and I mean a lot.......won't touch the Suburu. It's a bitch to work on, just the way it's designed. One job on a North American car is a four hour job on a Suburu.
I have to agree with you on that. The guy at Canadian Tire couldn't properly change the front headlight on my current Subaru. I ended up having Subaru do if for me. Ended up having to pay twice to have the headlight replaced.
 

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I wouldn't buy a Subaru Forester 2.5L as it's gutless with only 170 HP and hate the CVT.
Maybe test drive the Toyota Highlander or if you prefer small Rav4.
 

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Check your closet..:)
If you live in Vancouver just get a bike...way cheaper with all those bike lanes...:)
Or maybe a car small enough to drive in them.
My winter car is a 1997 Geo Tracker with 289,000 KM and still purrss like a kitten.
Muscle Car in the summer ..:)
 

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Take a look at the BMW X1, comes with regularly scheduled maintenance included. Despite what you may think, maintaining a BMW isn't all that bad cost wise I had my 645 for 11 years and it was a gem. Stay away from Audi, not a good repair record and very expensive to maintain. If you have to look at a North American car in that price range, look at Ford but personally I wouldn't touch them. I was an Honda and Acura person for years, great cars - take a look at CRV and RDX.
 

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What car did you end up getting?

Honda CRV and Volkswagen Tiguan also look intriguing. Though maintenance costs on European vehicles scare the hell out of me.
That time out it was a CRV which has proven to be pretty reliable. It also takes regular gas too.

My own mechanic recommended I stay away from the VW and Nissan lines because in his words they are real Pain in the Ass to work on.

I agree on the cost of ownership for the Euro cars too. $85 for an air filter which I got from a dealer on eBay for $40 including air mail. The dealer made a fuss that I may have put grey market parts on my car. :rolleyes:
 

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I went through the process of looking for a mid size suv a year ago and settled on the Hyundai Sante Fe Sport. AWD, 2.0 Turbo. I also considered the Acura RDX and Nissan Pathfinder but went for the Sante Fe as I found it to be a great ride, has all the options I wanted and was priced substantialy less than the RDX & Nissan.
 

tokugawa

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Are there any preferred (Honda, Subaru, Toyota, Volkswagen, etc) dealerships I should visit? I have only bought at and/or dealt with North Vancouver Honda, Don Docksteader (which I hate) and Richmond Subaru.

I have been told that buying near the end of the month can get you a better deal.
 

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I drive a 12 Hyundai Accent.
Drives excellent.
But the engine knocks on the recommend lowest octane fuel. This is my last Hyundai ever.
I am not a fan of Direct Injected engines, more trouble than its worth in my Accent.
 

IluvBackrubs

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Subaru's NA 2.5 boxer is a lovely engine. Shame it might still be plagued by head gasket problems down the road. Friend's '04 Legacy started leaking oil around the gasket and swore off Subaru's when he found out about the common issue; but that was after he got a '14 Forester. Only complaints he has with the Forester is a steering that's too light, CVT, and relatively choppy ride. Subaru apparently updated the CVT for '15 and it's supposed to be better. I drove his Forester and wasn't bothered too much by the CVT. Then again, I'm a manual only guy, so all autoboxes feel unbearable to me.

In the mid-30's range, I would seriously look at the CRV and RAV4. Can't go wrong with them if you plan to keep them long term. Add the Mazda CX-5 to your list if you enjoy the drive. It does feel more cramped inside though, and not as comfy for the passengers if you care about that, but it offers the best drive. I think the Forester is still the only one to offer a panorama roof at this price range though. Love those things.

Check out Happy Honda in north burnaby. The people there were pretty cool, and they apparently don't ding you with the ridiculous doc fees (which can go around 300-500 at other dealers).
 

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Subaru's NA 2.5 boxer is a lovely engine. Shame it might still be plagued by head gasket problems down the road. Friend's '04 Legacy started leaking oil around the gasket and swore off Subaru's when he found out about the common issue; but that was after he got a '14 Forester. Only complaints he has with the Forester is a steering that's too light, CVT, and relatively choppy ride. Subaru apparently updated the CVT for '15 and it's supposed to be better. I drove his Forester and wasn't bothered too much by the CVT. Then again, I'm a manual only guy, so all autoboxes feel unbearable to me.

In the mid-30's range, I would seriously look at the CRV and RAV4. Can't go wrong with them if you plan to keep them long term. Add the Mazda CX-5 to your list if you enjoy the drive. It does feel more cramped inside though, and not as comfy for the passengers if you care about that, but it offers the best drive. I think the Forester is still the only one to offer a panorama roof at this price range though. Love those things.

Check out Happy Honda in north burnaby. The people there were pretty cool, and they apparently don't ding you with the ridiculous doc fees (which can go around 300-500 at other dealers).
Subaru's are great cars. Symmetrical AWD is seamless and second only to Audi's Quattro. I would consider the RAV4 if you want another Japanese alternative. Toyota longevity - can't really go wrong and a torquey V6. I've lost confidence in Honda as a company. The product is crap and overpriced. Honda is run by a bunch of bean counters and has become the Toyota of 10 years ago. You should look at the Hyundai Santa Fe 2.0T. It's a bigger vehicle but at a great price point. Hyundai is putting out nice product these days.

If you wanna go euro...VW Tiguan/Audi Q3. These are small but nicely appointed. I find european cars more comfortable for long trips. But in the end you'll spend more as they are pretty complex these days.
 

uncleg

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Buy North American....I got a 2003 Lincoln Towncar with nearly 500,000 miles on it.....drives better then the new one, 2011 with 100,000 Km. and looks just as good.
 

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Well I can say I have been completely happy and satisfied with my Eclipse Spyder. Have nothing but great things to say about it. And it goes like crazy :eek:

 

IluvBackrubs

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Subaru's are great cars. Symmetrical AWD is seamless and second only to Audi's Quattro. I would consider the RAV4 if you want another Japanese alternative. Toyota longevity - can't really go wrong and a torquey V6. I've lost confidence in Honda as a company. The product is crap and overpriced. Honda is run by a bunch of bean counters and has become the Toyota of 10 years ago. You should look at the Hyundai Santa Fe 2.0T. It's a bigger vehicle but at a great price point. Hyundai is putting out nice product these days.

If you wanna go euro...VW Tiguan/Audi Q3. These are small but nicely appointed. I find european cars more comfortable for long trips. But in the end you'll spend more as they are pretty complex these days.
Just a little correction - Toyota took out the V6 option with the latest gen RAV4. Even the upcoming Lexus NX SUV based on the RAV4 doesn't have a V6 option either.

Toyota basically owns Subaru now, and you can start to see some of the Toyota influence in Subaru's newer iterations.

As for Honda, they are very Jekyll and Hyde imho. One year they'll come up with a brilliant product, then next release they would let the bean counters run amok. People would be in an uproar, and the next version is brilliant yet again. The new '15 CRV I sat in showed enough promise that I think it could be a very good car. I've driven the '12 CRV and I thought it was very good.

I don't have enough experience with the Korean cars, so I can't put my 2 cents. They still don't have the track record of the Japanese, so that's the only worry I would have of them. They sure know how to design them though.

If you want to go Euro, make sure you have a trustworthy mechanic and a good source for parts. I drive a Euro myself, and have already had more parts replaced under warranty in my 3+ years of ownership (brand new) than all my other cars combined. It's a price I'm willing to pay for the sheer fun to drive though; but I think I'm going back to Japanese for my next car...
 

tokugawa

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Just a little correction - Toyota took out the V6 option with the latest gen RAV4. Even the upcoming Lexus NX SUV based on the RAV4 doesn't have a V6 option either.

Toyota basically owns Subaru now, and you can start to see some of the Toyota influence in Subaru's newer iterations.

As for Honda, they are very Jekyll and Hyde imho. One year they'll come up with a brilliant product, then next release they would let the bean counters run amok. People would be in an uproar, and the next version is brilliant yet again. The new '15 CRV I sat in showed enough promise that I think it could be a very good car. I've driven the '12 CRV and I thought it was very good.

I don't have enough experience with the Korean cars, so I can't put my 2 cents. They still don't have the track record of the Japanese, so that's the only worry I would have of them. They sure know how to design them though.

If you want to go Euro, make sure you have a trustworthy mechanic and a good source for parts. I drive a Euro myself, and have already had more parts replaced under warranty in my 3+ years of ownership (brand new) than all my other cars combined. It's a price I'm willing to pay for the sheer fun to drive though; but I think I'm going back to Japanese for my next car...
Man this has become more difficult than I anticipated.

I thought I'd be satisfied with getting another Forester. But then doing some research it seems it doesn't really matter if you choose a Toyota Rav 4, Honda CRV or Subaru Forester there are all relatively the same. Since I have only ever owned Japanese (Honda and Subaru), I was thinking maybe this next time around I'd go European like a VW Tiguan or Volvo X60/X70.

But then again I am hearing the same thing over and over again that maintenance on European vehicles can potentially bankrupt me.

However, I am growing tired of the price point quality of CRV, RAV 4 and Forester. Maybe it's time to move it up a notch. So question now is what's the most reasonably priced reliable SUV Wagon like European car out there?
 
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I was looking for an SUV for about 3 months and in that time I test drove many many. Many of them I even was able to borrow overnight. I went to the new car lots in May 2014 and tried them out.

Here's my review:

Honda CRV: totally gutless. Cheap interior. Too light feeling. Weird ergonomics around the seating area, it felt like a van esp with those cheap armrests. Cloth part of leather seats had a mossy-lint surface to it that seemed like cheap felt. Hate the outside looks - seemed more for fat ladies.

Subaru Forester: great engine, transmission was good too. The interior materials were full of hard plastics that made it feel cheap. The interior had a dated look. Felt like I would be buying an old car.

VW Tiguan: I am very familiar with the VW Beetle and this felt exactly like a Beetle but higher. Spartan interior and features. It even drove like a Beetle (but higher). For that reason I wasn't interested, I knew for the money you could get a lot more car elsewhere.

Buick Encore: if I was going for a small SUV, this would be it. It frankly surprised me how luxurious, good handling, and spunky it was. It also surprised me how good quality the materials were. It was also one of the quietest SUV's I drove. For me, a quiet vehicle is essential because I do a lot of driving and I hate road and traffic noise. But it was too small and cramped for what I was ultimately looking for.

Toyota Venza: lots of power in the top model, love the stance. Ergonomically it was great - felt like I was sitting in the cockpit of a small jet - except one thing I absolutely hated and couldn't get over - the texture they used for the dash looked like (and felt like) hard cement. Too many hard plastics, actually. Rear seating was among the best in comfort and space. Noise level in the cabin was above average.

Toyota Rav4: this thing was bizarre looking on the inside. It tries too hard to look like sport-ute and seems to be aimed at the 20-somethings. Also, I found out that Toyota does not put real leather in even the top Rav4, and I hate the idea of sitting on vinyl. This came off the list right away.

Mitsubishi Outlander: great discounts and very aggressive pricing. Mitsu really wants to sell cars and if you're looking for a good deal, go there. This was among my top picks. It was loaded, had lots of power, relatively quiet, interior had good ergonomics and quality of materials was up there (but not the best). It was also a great handling vehicle.

BMW X1: fantastic power. Great quality materials inside and great ergonomics. But the engine noise was always there and the road noise was unbelievable.

Mazda CX5: lots of power, great handling. But the interior was almost as cheap as the Honda's. In fact, the center plastic part along the middle between the seats and leading up to the center console would vibrate and you could make it easily bend with your leg. The engine was buzzy and the road noise was the worst. Made for a cheap feeling car.

Kia Sportage: this was the ferrari of the SUV's, giving the X1 a run for its money. Great handling too. But was not as well appointed in the top model as some of the others. Too pricey in comparison too. Interior quality was good, ergonomically felt like a sports touring sedan. The huge C pillar makes it look sporty and attractive but also causes big blind spots, which may be an issue. Road noise was not bad. Engine noise was ok. Because of the price for the feature set, it didn't make the short list.

Hyundai Santa Fe: I chose the 5 passenger model (there is a 7 passenger one). Lots of power, pretty good albeit soft handling, and very quiet. Good ergonomics but rather generic feeling. Great quality materials. I wanted it decked out in leather with 2 tone bits, but then the price rose to that of the X1. I kept it near the top of my list.

Infiniti Qx50: lots of power, great quality, lots of features, very quiet, good ergonomics - except it felt very cramped. Very pricey.

Volvo XC60: like the Qx50 but roomy inside. I truly enjoyed driving it, it felt like a big tank with good handling though in terms of dimensions it really is only about as long and wide as the other ones. But it was waaaay too pricey.

Nissan Rogue: good power even though on paper it didn't seem like it would be, if you floored it would suddenly kick in and get you moving fast. The CV transmission was as good as the Subaru's. Great ergonomics, lots of rear passenger room, and as loaded with features as the Qx50. Very quiet in terms of road noise and engine noise was comfortably muted. It has one feature that I only saw in the Qx50 and my parents' Mercedes GLK suv, and that is the top down camera view which is fantastic to avoid running into small dogs and children. You literally can see 360 degrees around the car all at once. Has a nice modern look inside and out. Price wise, it was the middle of the pack.

Chevy Equinox: what can I say - it felt like it was going to fall apart after a few years.

Ford Escape: this was raved about in all the reviews. I got behind the wheel and this thing was powerful, but not as fast as the Kia. I also noticed how cheap the headliner was and many of the interior parts. I didn't like the glitzy dash either. What turned me right off, like the dash of the Venza, was the copious use of truck-styled handles and other bits, which made the interior feel like I was in a crass feeling pickup truck of some beer swilling blue collar yahoo. That turned me right off. Oh and road noise was a bit much and engine noise was buzzy.

In the end I chose the Nissan Rogue, the top model totally loaded with AWD for $37k. My second pick was going to be the Santa Fe, though the Toyota Venza had a deeply discounted price on it that made it hard to resist. I never forgot the Buick though, and went back to drive each and every one of their cars and I loved them all. Having owned the Rogue several months now I can still say I am very happy with my choice and the fuel economy has turned out to be very good especially for a vehicle this size and weight. It's still quiet, everything feels very tight, and it still feels like it has good power when I need it. I've taken a couple of long trips (8 hrs driving) and couldn't be more pleased with the feel of the vehicle.
 
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