Ebola in north america

[sevenofnine]

Do you think that is something we will have to worry about?

In my job I see hundreds of people a day, Some people are paranoid wearing gloves. Hand sanitizers everywhere in the last couple of years.

I rarely take a day off sick, so I kind of look forward to missing a day putting some movies in and sipping some chicken noodle soup,
but Ebola is a different animal indeed.

I just read in Dallas,, as many as 80 people possibly were in contact with the Ebola victim, what four people are in quarantine.

are you scared. nervous.

It is amazing to me in some ways that they haven't stopped air traffic from certain countries. Maybe I am over reacting.


The Health officials for this country and the states say rather dramatically that they will stop Ebola in its tracts.

But I know a little something about governments and their bureaucracies they actually kind of lie.
If you trust a government talking head, I have some land I could sell you.

any way what do you think,

 

[vancity_cowboy]

just give me a second here while i put on my tin foil hat...

there now, that's better

i think this ebola 'outbreak' is actually a germ warfare experiment

and as for the future - well, when ALL of the third world countries become infected - AND THEY WILL (because they've got absolutely insufficient resources to deal with ebola) - then there is NO WAY that north america is going to be able to deal with all of the imported ebola 'outbreaks' unless we just shut down air traffic travel completely

when they let that guy go in dallas, he was in contact with his five children... WHO GO TO FOUR DIFFERENT SCHOOLS!!! can you think of a better way to set off an epidemic, because i can't!

the u.s. has this all-powerful customs and border protection agency, and they have just let this travesty occur without raising a single finger to stop it

this is obama's version of 9-11 all over again

***edit

this just out - now they're investigating a case in utah

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Would you please clarify? Is that a tinfoil Cowboy Hat? ound: ound:
i thought AIDS was supposed to be the death of us all?

not all, just some of us

 

[vancity_cowboy]

LOL, that's a great picture vancity_cowboy!! You make some good points on your post about the schools....

it's a selfie...

 

[Lady Companion]

It's mass fear propaganda.

Yes, it is sad. It always is when somebody gets sick, harmed or dies. But it is media that is creating a panic and fear state - for many reasons, including sensationalism.

Yes, it is a real issue. But in my opinion, it is being blown way out of proportion. The regular flu and it's complications kills tens of thousands of North Americans every year. Lousy eating patterns contributing to heart disease, diabetes etc. contribute to countless deaths each year. That French fry or Monsanto corn syrup we are eating is far more likely to contribute to the loss of health or death of North Americans than I think Ebola ever will.

Yes, we need to educate and inform people. Yes, we need to improve sanitation and hygiene to limit spreading of viruses. But I really don't think we need mass fear and paranoia.

I will be in Africa in a few weeks, and part of my time will be spent in medical clinics there. I will use common sense, but I am far more 'afraid' of mosquitoes and contracting something from them than I am about Ebola.

 

[Ohn]

I will be in Africa in a few weeks, and part of my time will be spent in medical clinics there. I will use common sense, but I am far more 'afraid' of mosquitoes and contracting something from them than I am about Ebola.

That's because you will most likely be in an Ebola-free area. If you were right in an Ebola afflicted zone, you wouldn't be saying this. Medical professionals (some from US, Spain) who've contracted Ebola were no doubt very careful. But they got it. The comparison with the regular flu is not valid. Recall that the death rate in the case of Ebola is 50 - 90%. I lived in a city that had an Ebola outbreak for a number of months and I know how serious it is. It is not being blown out of proportion. It needs to be given utmost importance (and stopped) because if it continues spreading (and it has the potential to), it will not be the regular flu that you say is a more serious health threat.

 

[felixthecat]

For western societies, there's no risk at all. It's a shame when people go for sensations like this.

I'm not a doctor, but I'm told a simple story which checks out, see wikipedia for basic facts about Ebola.

First, how do you get infected? It does not spread by air or by a skin contact. To get infected, you'd need to get into contact with blood or bodily fluids of an infected person or animal. It cannot become epidemic here. Africa, another story, if they consume infected meat without proper handling, don't have sanitary toilets etc.

Once infected, it's not easy to die in a developed country either. People don't die from Ebola itself, they usually die of dehydration or electrolyte imbalance. I.e. drinking water is not enough to rehydrate, one needs to get electrolyte solution orally (can me homemade) or through IV. Once that is taken care of, you'll survive. Case in point, 4 infected US citizens brought to US, all recovered. Btw I understand the doctors were NOT very careful; one of them got cut when doing a postmortem.

 

[Slapshot1]

It's mass fear propaganda.

Yes, it is sad. It always is when somebody gets sick, harmed or dies. But it is media that is creating a panic and fear state - for many reasons, including sensationalism.

Yes, it is a real issue. But in my opinion, it is being blown way out of proportion. The regular flu and it's complications kills tens of thousands of North Americans every year. Lousy eating patterns contributing to heart disease, diabetes etc. contribute to countless deaths each year. That French fry or Monsanto corn syrup we are eating is far more likely to contribute to the loss of health or death of North Americans than I think Ebola ever will.

Yes, we need to educate and inform people. Yes, we need to improve sanitation and hygiene to limit spreading of viruses. But I really don't think we need mass fear and paranoia.

I will be in Africa in a few weeks, and part of my time will be spent in medical clinics there. I will use common sense, but I am far more 'afraid' of mosquitoes and contracting something from them than I am about Ebola.

Yup, just watching CNN blowing it out of proportion right now!!

 

[Ohn]

There is simply no way of telling how the modern world would handle the Ebola because there isn't been an "outbreak" here. The 4 cases that were brought to the US were very well controlled because they know they had Ebola before bringing them here. There are several poor countries that actually stemmed an outbreak, limiting it to less than 5 infections with high survival rates - that's when they knew about and quarantined the cases immediately. The way the Dallas case has been handled doesn't tell of a system that can handle an outbreak of multiple cases. How many hospitals in North America are actually trained in handling such infectious diseases? Most people in the affected areas in Africa hide when they get Ebola because if the stigma associated with the disease. I can see the same thing happening here....

The reason there may not be an outbreak here is because people do not eat bush meat or interact with infected bats. The reason you will also not see an outbreak spreading from W. Africa to North America is because the affected areas are small countries and there are simply few people traveling from these countries to the US. That's the reason Kenya had to stop all flights from the affected countries - because there is a very large volume of people from West Africa that go thru Kenya's international airport every day.

 

[Slapshot1]

When! your! entire! career! is! based! on! grabbing! the! public's! attention! about! every! little! thing!, nuance! and! analysis! go! right! out! the! window!. It! also! helps! that! the! media! has! the! attention! span! of! a! Look a squirrel!!!!

Rofl Hahahahahaha

 

[sevenofnine]

I really don't know what the risk is, I suppose time will tell.

But you know the medical authorities blew it to this point. He got on a plane, he lied about his connection to a Ebola death.

He went to a Hospital in Dallas and they sent him home, with antibiotics, after telling them where he came from and he was sick with a fever they sent him home.
They screwed up.

Ebola can have a 90 percent death rate, this strain is I think a 30 percent death rate, or maybe 50 not sure, but it sure is not the flu.

Its true its hard to pass on, but American health workers who knew what they were doing contracted Ebola.

My job gives me a very small behind the scene's look at how the system operates when the shit hits the fan.
The confusion the misinformation the lies, the cluster fucks, honestly,

Yes if the system works things should be fine,
But here is a guy who is part of the system, a very small not important part, like I said im a wall mart greeter in the scheme of things.

and your trusting those fucking shit heads to get it right the bean counters and bureaucrats and politicians. what a joke that is.

im not saying the sky is falling.
I don't think it is,

but you know a nurse sent him home,
people lie and do stupid things all the time.

incompetence is kind of the norm,

like I said I don't think the sky is falling but in a bureaucratic political
system where competence is the norm and gets rewarded.

nothing would really surprise me.

Over three thousand dead in Africa so far, and counting.

I know people who regularly fly down to Austin and Dallas.
They get on a plane and come back home,

Its interesting to watch, but I don't think the sky is falling.

 

[InnocentBoy]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/canadi...ency-deletes-info-on-airborne-spread-of-ebola
Health Canada lieing about ebola.

 

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[Tugela]

I really don't know what the risk is, I suppose time will tell.

But you know the medical authorities blew it to this point. He got on a plane, he lied about his connection to a Ebola death.

He went to a Hospital in Dallas and they sent him home, with antibiotics, after telling them where he came from and he was sick with a fever they sent him home.
They screwed up.

IMO this guy looked after someone back home who was sick. Then they died and he realized that it was Ebola, and that he was probably infected as well. Medical care sucks in Liberia, so he kept quite about it, hopped onto a plane and flew to the US before he started showing symptoms (it takes 2-3 weeks). Along the way he lied to get out of Liberia. Then, when he gets to the US and starts showing symptoms, he repeatedly goes to hospital until they admit him. Why would he do this? So he can be treated in an American hospital, where his chances of survival are much better than in a Liberian tent. He didn't give a crap about all the other people who could be infected and die along the way, or that he could trigger an epidemic in another country not ready for the disease. All that was important to him is that HE survived, screw everyone else.

This guy needs to face criminal charges if he survives, and be locked up for the rest of his life.

 

[Tugela]

There is simply no way of telling how the modern world would handle the Ebola because there isn't been an "outbreak" here. The 4 cases that were brought to the US were very well controlled because they know they had Ebola before bringing them here. There are several poor countries that actually stemmed an outbreak, limiting it to less than 5 infections with high survival rates - that's when they knew about and quarantined the cases immediately. The way the Dallas case has been handled doesn't tell of a system that can handle an outbreak of multiple cases. How many hospitals in North America are actually trained in handling such infectious diseases? Most people in the affected areas in Africa hide when they get Ebola because if the stigma associated with the disease. I can see the same thing happening here....

The reason there may not be an outbreak here is because people do not eat bush meat or interact with infected bats. The reason you will also not see an outbreak spreading from W. Africa to North America is because the affected areas are small countries and there are simply few people traveling from these countries to the US. That's the reason Kenya had to stop all flights from the affected countries - because there is a very large volume of people from West Africa that go thru Kenya's international airport every day.

There has been an outbreak of Marburg virus in Germany however, which is a very similar virus to Ebola. So we do know how the modern world would cope.

 

[sevenofnine]

I think the modern world will cope to a point.
But I think there will come a point that we will be come over whelmed.

Its interesting in that the guy lied to get to north America, his family or who ever he was staying refused to be voluntarily quarantined. They broke the quarantine they had to post sheriffs and guards at all the doors to the building and the women complained poor me,

It simply goes to show you how stupid and selfish people are willing to put other people at risk, simply because they are so stupid. or selfish

I think for sure a small number of cases they or we can deal with no problem.

But if this guy came back unnoticed and walked around and spread it to just a few other people, I think it wouldn't take much to overwhelm the system,
Stupid people panicking, running scared and infecting others.

And ebola is supposed to be hard to transmit, but what five americans have been infected now in Africa. who supposedly know what they are doing.

 

[sevenofnine]

I don't really believe the world will collapse.

I just think its interesting to follow that's all..

Rumor has it the sick guy in Dallas is not getting the best medical care, that several American aid workers got and were saved, Just a rumor that he hasn't received the vaccine or the serum,

Last I heard he took a turn for the worse.
And a women in spain has it the first confirmed case out side of Africa that was transmitted.

Like I said interesting to follow.

I just interesting that the smallest living thing a virus could actually wipe out the planet.
Do you realize that if aids was transmitted like the common cold we most likely would all be dead now.

 

[sevenofnine]

It has been awhile since I was in school. But my prof said the jury was out on whether a virus was a living thing or not.


Who has came out and said there will be more cases in Europe. Its a given with the travel patterns. There is one in Spain.
Saudi is nervous it is believed a Saudi man brought Ebola back with him, and they bungled some out break recently so there is no trust in there Medical system.
Worst case scenario I think they said a million four infected by Jan.

Best case 20 thousand.

No the sky is not falling,
But this is something to watch.

 

[westwoody]

Everyone keeps saying how difficult it is to catch but the Spanish woman supposedly followed every protocol.

Also, there are people in every workplace who come in with coughs and colds instead of staying home. We had a woman coughing and sniffling constantly on Friday and she would not leave. She probably infected half our staff dammit. Same with kids, colds spread like wildfire through daycares and schools.

 

[PierreCoeur]

It's mass fear propaganda.

I will be in Africa in a few weeks, and part of my time will be spent in medical clinics there. I will use common sense, but I am far more 'afraid' of mosquitoes and contracting something from them than I am about Ebola.

Unlike the person who provided a comment to this quote on page one above, who down played your statement , I am impressed. It sounds like you will be doing some humanitarian work while there and that's a selfless and giving act of a very caring person. Your "Classy Angel" branding is more than an attention grabbing ad line, it is a definition of your character. Wishing you a safe and inspiration filled trip to Africa.